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What's Michael Moore Talking About?
Townhall.com ^ | October 14, 2009 | John Stossel

Posted on 10/14/2009 5:37:08 AM PDT by Kaslin

Michael Moore is confused.

His new movie, "Capitalism: A Love Story," begins by suggesting that all was well until Ronald Reagan became president and cut the top 90 percent income tax rate. Everything was downhill from there.

But by the end of the movie, he says the problems really began in 1945, when Franklin Roosevelt died without enacting his proposed Second Bill of Rights, which would have "guaranteed' everything from a "remunerative job" and a "decent home" to "adequate medical care," a "good education" and "adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident and unemployment."

Adding to the confusion, he lavishes praise on Barack Obama and his "spread the wealth around" rhetoric. But Moore also demonizes as symbols of capitalism Clinton Treasury secretaries Robert Rubin (formerly of Goldman Sachs) and Lawrence Summers, and former New York Fed President Timothy Geithner without mentioning that Rubin has been Obama's adviser and that Summers and Geithner are, respectively, his chief economic guru and treasury secretary. Nor does he acknowledge that Obama continued the bailout policies of George W. Bush.

Moore declares capitalism evil, but he's never clear about what "capitalism" means. Considering how much time he spends documenting the cozy relationship between business and government, I thought he might mean "state capitalism."

But then he uses the term "free market" as a synonym for what he doesn't like.

What does the free market have to do with businesses manipulating government and strong-arming Congress for bailouts? Moore properly condemns both.

What does he want instead of "capitalism"? He's coy about that. Claiming that the public became increasingly curious about socialism once Obama was accused of favoring it, he goes to the only self-described socialist in Congress, Sen. Bernie Sanders, to ask for a definition. Socialism, Sanders tells Moore, means "the government represents the middle class and working class, not the wealth."

Huh? That's socialism? It's not government ownership of the means of production and the abolition of private property and free exchange? Sanders reads Marx and Lenin very broadly. By his definition, I'm a socialist. I want government to represent the middle and working classes. Of course, Congress does that best by leaving them free, economically and otherwise.

Moore visits the National Archives to see if the Constitution establishes capitalism as the country's economic system. Seeing the words "people," "union" and "welfare" in the document, he says, "Sounds like that other ism."

That's just silly. The Constitution limits government's power to interfere with the people and their property. The Constitution is on the side of the free market.

Toward the end of the movie, Moore says capitalism is irredeemably evil and "has to be replaced." With what? I assumed he'd say socialism, but instead his answer is "democracy."

This apparently means expanding "hundreds of worker-owned businesses" in the United States.

But since workers are already free to start businesses, what's his point? A more astute observer would show how government intervention -- licenses, taxes, regulations -- inhibits such businesses.

Thankfully, I will soon have my own show on Fox Business Network to make such points. I'll invite Moore to come on as a guest.

For two hours, Moore rails against reckless banks and government bailouts, but never once mentions the government-business partnership that created the conditions for the turmoil. The fact that America no longer has a genuinely free market is the unnoticed 10,000-pound elephant in Moore's room.

Watching "Capitalism," you'd never know that the federal government colluded for decades with the financial, real estate and construction industries to divert resources into housing in the name of promoting home ownership -- even for people who couldn't afford it. You'd never know that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were, and are, privileged government-sponsored enterprises that encouraged shaky loans.

At least Moore has an inkling of what's wrong: cozy ties between Wall Street and government. Moore thinks the answer is better regulators or nationalization of banks. But his own evidence suggests that the real answer is a separation of state and economy -- stripping away Wall Street's privileges.

In other words: Limit government's power. Let the free market work.


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1 posted on 10/14/2009 5:37:09 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A “BOY” WHO EATS A DOZEN DOUGHNUTS BEFORE EVERY MEAL?


2 posted on 10/14/2009 5:39:59 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Barack Insane Obama-Wrong Place Wrong Time. Replacing Jimmah as worst CIC Ever)
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To: Kaslin
Michael Moore is an enemy of the United States.

Quote from his website, April 14, 2004...

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"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win. Get it, Mr. Bush?"
[actual quote from Michael Moore (2004). It still appears on his website]
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-04-14

3 posted on 10/14/2009 5:40:00 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Kaslin

The “2nd Bill of Rights” is something that bears watching...I’ve been hearing drumbeats for that ever since the Won assumed the throne. And now it makes a mention in Tubby’s latest film.
That’ll be one of their next “projects” to tackle.
Bet on it.


4 posted on 10/14/2009 5:41:19 AM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Ignore us at your peril.)
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To: Kaslin
John, the World stopped asking(caring) what Mr. Moore was talking about Long Ago.
5 posted on 10/14/2009 5:42:41 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Kaslin
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From the Revolutionary Communist Party website
"A Viewer's Guide to Fahrenheit 911"

Revolutionary Worker #1246, July 18, 2004, posted at http://rwor.org

"People have been lied to. And many can see it. Invasion, occupation, police spying, round-ups, even torture camps--plus far-reaching changes in law, treaty and doctrine --they have all come wrapped in deceit. The President lies. His whole clique lies."

http://rwor.org/a/1246/fahrenheit_911_guide.htm
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The Communist Party USA (CPUSA):
"We are a party of unity in action. We are an integral part of every struggle and movement for change to eliminate poverty and joblessness, against racism and for full equality. We are participants, initiators and leaders of every movement to make life better now and much better in a socialist future." Yeah, so they supported an oppressive dictator, like the Repubs and Democrats haven't? The CP is still around, has apologized for that whole Stalin thing, and has a quickly growing youth section.
[see: MichaelMoore.com-->Links-->PoliticalAction (bottom of the page--CPUSA promo)]
http://www.michaelmoore.com/links/index.php?linkType=Political%20Action

6 posted on 10/14/2009 5:42:53 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Kaslin

....oh, it doesn’t much matter to get worked up about Moore....the market place has spoken...his movie tanked...nobody cares except Leftie intellectuals.


7 posted on 10/14/2009 5:43:11 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Kaslin
Wouldn't you love to see Moore get lectured by John Stossel?
8 posted on 10/14/2009 5:44:02 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of cat attacks while typing!)
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To: Kaslin

Everyone go see Paranormal Activity this weekend to help knock moore’s hatefest off the charts. Plus, PA is more realistic anyway.


9 posted on 10/14/2009 5:44:57 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Kaslin

MM is a snake oil salesman and damn good one. He’s made millions. He found something to capitalize on and did good. He saw the hate libs and Europeans have for money and free enterprise and milked em! Way to go Mr. Moore!


10 posted on 10/14/2009 5:45:02 AM PDT by Dallas59 (No To O)
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To: Kaslin
Searching for logical cohesion in a Moore documentary is a fool's errand. They are simply agitprop and cash cows for MM.
11 posted on 10/14/2009 5:45:03 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Kaslin
is the unnoticed 10,000-pound elephant in Moore's room.

There was another 10,000-pound elephant?

12 posted on 10/14/2009 5:46:49 AM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: Kaslin

13 posted on 10/14/2009 5:46:59 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: All
From Monday, April 21st, 2008...

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My Vote's for Obama (if I could vote) ...by Michael Moore

Friends,

I don't get to vote for President this primary season. I live in Michigan. The party leaders (both here and in D.C.) couldn't get their act together, and thus our votes will not be counted.

So, if you live in Pennsylvania, can you do me a favor? Will you please cast my vote -- and yours -- on Tuesday for Senator Barack Obama?

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2008-04-21
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Ex prez jimmy carter with michael
moore at 2004 demonRat convention

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Barack Obama - 2004 Democratic National Convention Keynote Address
Delivered July 27, 2004, Fleet Center, Boston
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/convention2004/barackobama2004dnc.htm

14 posted on 10/14/2009 5:47:55 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: STONEWALLS
his movie tanked...nobody cares except Leftie intellectuals.

Yeah, "lefty intellectuals" like Bill Ayers, his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, and that SOB in the White House...

"Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!"
-Weather Underground leader and wife of Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, referring to the Manson murders

Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63512670-BF7C-42A0-B41D-5D0FB9E09C09
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"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at"
--Bill Ayers (1970), quoted in New York Times, September 11, 2001:

Article: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
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The Center for Public Intellectuals & The University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC)
April 19th-20th, 2002, Conference

[Participants include: William/Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Sen Barack Obama]

April 19th-20th, 2002
Chicago Illini Union
828 S. Wolcott

This conference is part of the Center's mission of helping to create a more engaged civil society, working towards social change, fostering coalitions between theorists and activists, and combating anti-intellectualism in contemporary culture. It will be both a celebration of ideas and a rigorous examination of the roles and responsibilities that intellectuals play in society.

I. Why Do Ideas Matter? (a keynote panel)

We introduce the “meta” theme of the conference by hearing “success stories” from diverse voices discussing their experiences intervening intellectually.

Timuel Black, Chicago activist; Prof. Emeritus, City Colleges of Chicago
Lonnie Bunch, President, Chicago Historical Society
Bernardine Dohrn, Northwestern University Law School, Children and Family Justice Center
Gerald Graff, UIC, College of Liberal Arts & Sciences
Richard Rorty, Stanford University, Philosophy

III. Lunch and Public Encounters

Alternative breakout tours led by Chicago activists. Tours of Bronzeville and other communities, and visits to organizations that are working on partnering theorists with activists.

IV. Intellectuals in Times of Crisis
Experiences and applications of intellectual work in urgent situations.

William Ayers, UIC, College of Education; author of Fugitive Days
Douglass Cassel, Northwestern University, Center for International Human Rights
Cathy Cohen, University of Chicago, Political Science
Salim Muwakkil, Chicago Tribune; In These Times
Barack Obama, Illinois State Senator
Barbara Ransby, UIC, African-American Studies (moderator)

The Center for Public Intellectuals
University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC):
http://www.uic.edu/classes/las/las400/conferencealt.htm
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"It was at the Chicago home of [Bill] Ayers and [Bernardine] Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming 'community organizer,' had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World — where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working 'only to educate' — both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers."
Article: The Company He Keeps:
Meet Obama’s circle: The same old America-hating Left
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YThjYTU1ZDBjNmQ2YzcwNzU1MmYwN2JiMWY0ZGI0NDA=&w=MA==

15 posted on 10/14/2009 5:52:30 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Kaslin

“hundreds of worker-owned businesses”

He’s refering to ESOPS, which have a disasterous history.
What he’s espousing is for employees to take over the businesses where they are employed. He promotes this, not withstanding the fact that the workers took zero risk to startup, have zero risk in terms of capital investment, and have zero expertise in the top to bottom operation of the companies for whom they work.

To state an obvious fact, Moore is an idiot. He fits in perfectly in Hollywood.


16 posted on 10/14/2009 5:53:02 AM PDT by downtownconservative (As Obama lies, liberty dies!)
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To: ETL

What you said.


17 posted on 10/14/2009 6:03:44 AM PDT by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: downtownconservative
To state an obvious fact, Moore is an idiot. He fits in perfectly in Hollywood.

Yet he is a multi-millionaire and has great influence on the many clueless among us, particularly college kids and brain dead liberal adults.

18 posted on 10/14/2009 6:04:07 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: polymuser
What you said.

What about it?

19 posted on 10/14/2009 6:05:11 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

See the thread intitled “Reading Between the Lines of Obama’s Poetry” by Jonah Goldberg. He discusses with great clarity the “brain-dead liberals” and mindless followers of “amatueur poets”.


20 posted on 10/14/2009 6:10:07 AM PDT by downtownconservative (As Obama lies, liberty dies!)
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