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Maybe DVD Sales Collapsed Because Movies Suck
BigHollywood.Breitbart.com ^ | 13 Oct 2009 | John Nolte

Posted on 10/14/2009 8:02:11 AM PDT by AreaMan

Maybe DVD Sales Collapsed Because Movies Suck

Posted By John Nolte On October 13, 2009 @ 2:31 pm In Entertainment, News | 163 Comments

Everyone seems to have an opinion as to why DVD sales have cratered since hitting their peak in 2006, but no one’s looking at the obvious answer. Plunging sales have been blamed on piracy [1], competing technologies such as video games [2]and low-priced rental outlets like Redbox [3]… everything but the quality of the actual films.

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First and foremost, I’m a movie lover. Nothing competes for my attention in this regard, including dollar rentals and the like. But I’m just not buying anywhere near the number of new releases I did just ten years ago. Obviously, this is anecdotal evidence, so make your own comparisons:

1998 [4] – I purchased 15 of the top 20 money makers…

1999 [5] — 18 of the top 20.

2000 [6] — 16 of the top 20.

2001 [7] — 14 of the top 20.

And nothing’s changed. My tastes are the same. I still enjoy and don’t regret a single purchase (well, maybe “Planet of the Apes” — but I keep watching thinking it will get better). Now flash-forward to the last few years  and the numbers collapse:

2006 [8] – 5 of the top 20.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: California
KEYWORDS: culture; dvd; entertainment; hollywood; movies; trashtv
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To: RexBeach

I agree. Movies today, are drivel.
You get 150 minutes of what looks like a video game and 5 minutes of bad acting.
There is no originality any more..its all reworking the classics.
When moviemakers started filming cartoon characters like Casper, Flintstones, I had it!
Those Hollywood Libs can go jump in the great pond of bankruptcy.


51 posted on 10/14/2009 8:35:55 AM PDT by Duffboy
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To: myknowledge

Another “fine” Time-Lies-Warner-Turner company.


52 posted on 10/14/2009 8:38:00 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Duffboy

Don’t forget that Steven Spielberg was busy producing The Flintstones movie at the same time he was directing Shindler’s List.


53 posted on 10/14/2009 8:38:51 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: RexBeach

I use Netflix too. What I really like is the free streaming movies I can watch on my computer monitor.


54 posted on 10/14/2009 8:42:21 AM PDT by jslade (People that are easily offended OFFEND ME!)
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To: AreaMan

Few new movies are good enough to buy. I understand younger people never read and won’t tolerate character development but some of us require it in entertainment. I buy movies if there’s something worth multiple viewings. Explosions and car chases are boring to me. I liked Slumdog Millionaire (may have to watch more Indian cinema), UP and Marley & Me. I thought Gran Torino was OK nothing special and Star Trek was an abomination. Those are the only new movies I’ve seen.


55 posted on 10/14/2009 8:43:21 AM PDT by Varda
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To: AreaMan
The last movie on DVD I purchased was CASABLANCA.... I don't think I have any new releases other than THE DARK KNIGHT...
56 posted on 10/14/2009 8:48:09 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Bryanw92

Almost all of the DVD’s I have baught in the past year are TV collections: The complete Dick Van Dyke show, Venture Brothers, Dr. Who (which I transferred to .avi, edited, and burned back to disk, eliminating all of the forced “gayity”.) Yes, most movies are junk, made for the cheers of other Hollywood dwellers, and not even to make money. (How else do you explain PIXAR still making good movies that sell like crazy, and the rest of Sodomywood cranking out “artistic successes” that fail at the box office?)


57 posted on 10/14/2009 8:50:10 AM PDT by 50sDad (The Left cannot understand life is not in a test tube. Raise taxes, & jobs go away.)
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To: AreaMan

so of course Michigan and Connecticut are now heavily subsidizing movie production with tax dollars to create even MORE DVD’s that won’t sell


58 posted on 10/14/2009 8:50:41 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: RexBeach
My wife and I use Netflix. Mighty hard to find a movie worth ordering. Most of it is drivel.

It's not that hard to find something if you enjoy older movies. Netflix is far superior to the local Blockbuster for classic films. Try finding films like "How Green Was My Valley" or "The Long Grey Line" locally.

Back during the peak of the video rental business, those titles were on the shelves - but not now.

59 posted on 10/14/2009 8:52:55 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: a fool in paradise

Don’t forget that Steven Spielberg was busy producing The Flintstones movie at the same time he was directing Schindler’s List.

Darn good thing he was able to keep the two straight...

eeeeeVA!!.....Gobbels and I are going bowling. Then we are going to invade Poland. Yabba Dabba Do!


60 posted on 10/14/2009 8:53:52 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Patrsup

Get netfix. For $17 a month you get all you can watch (max three at a time). Your account lets you have three lists at once. I have one for me, one for my wife, and one for my daughter. When I send a movie back, the send me one from my list, ditto with my wife and daughter. And you NEVER have to spend money or time going to the video store trying to beat a late fee.

If the movie is scratched or broken when it arrives, you go online and report it and they send you another that same day if it is early enough.


61 posted on 10/14/2009 8:54:06 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: AreaMan

Let’s be totally honest for a moment with ourselves....

When was the last time you had an “first screening raiders of the lost ark moment” in a movie? Pretty freaking rare. Movies are too predictable, too slow and are one way communication. They don’t hold our attention. So yes they suck.


62 posted on 10/14/2009 8:55:24 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Varda
Star Trek was an abomination

And... Chris Pine is supposedly going to be the next "Jack Ryan". I wonder which Clancy novel is about to be mangled?

*sigh*

63 posted on 10/14/2009 8:59:08 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Obadiah

3 of us were watching “No Country for Old Men”. I fell asleep. The next day I asked the other 2 how it had ended. No one knew. They fell asleep, too. I definitely didn’t care enough to actually watch the piece of crap again.


64 posted on 10/14/2009 8:59:12 AM PDT by Barb4Bush (God bless Glenn Beck!)
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To: AreaMan

The basic problem is “corporate Hollywood”, non-entertainment corporations buying entertainment corporations as investments, ignoring the purpose of why they are entertainment corporations in the first place.

A bad economic model: make a few huge blockbuster movies a year.

A movie with a $200m budget that makes $220m at the box office is worth less than a movie that costs $2m and makes $30 million at the box office. Simple fact. However, if just a few blockbusters fail, it risks the entire studio.

A good economic model: Golan-Globus, Cannon films. They produced dozens of low budget movies, and if just a few of them were popular, they paid for the production of all of them, and made a healthy profit as well. Better yet, a lot of them were popular, and are still remembered today. Golan-Globus made a fortune.

The difference being that Golan-Globus made movies that their audiences wanted to see, but corporate Hollywood makes movies *they* wanted their audiences to see. This is not a subtle difference.

But corporate Hollywood is utterly blind to this simple equation. How many anti-Iraq war movies did they crank out, even though they all went stinker at the box office? Pattern recognition failure.

It has been known for decades that the most profitable movies are family friendly, with good writing and acting.

But corporate Hollywood doesn’t want to do that. Instead, it wants a lot of action, a lot of cgi, nothing controversial or innovative, formula plot and the same tiny group of homogeneous actors.


65 posted on 10/14/2009 9:06:00 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Charles Martel
Blockbuster changed their business model to stocking 50 copies of the latest Hollywood hype instead of having perennial films that people watch year in and year out.

Those 50 copies are bought at a reduced (negotiated) price and then sold off “used” after a set period of time.

66 posted on 10/14/2009 9:11:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
But corporate Hollywood is utterly blind to this simple equation. How many anti-Iraq war movies did they crank out, even though they all went stinker at the box office? Pattern recognition failure.

And yet Hollywood passed on distributing Mel Gibson's The Passion Of The Christ.

They were free to do so but the shareholders should have divested since the studios work against the profit motive in favor of politics.

67 posted on 10/14/2009 9:13:27 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

yup, and got to meet U-dog (and Trix rabbit) creator Joe Harris at a cartoon fan convention


68 posted on 10/14/2009 9:14:54 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
A movie with a $200m budget that makes $220m at the box office is worth less than a movie that costs $2m and makes $30 million at the box office. Simple fact. However, if just a few blockbusters fail, it risks the entire studio.

With the internal politics of Hollywood, the losses of that $220million movie would be written against that debut hit (or fledgling hit) to protect the clout of A-list directors/actors. Hollywood engages in creative accounting and that "food cart" could be padded with all sorts of expenses. Same with "promotion" costs.

Another thing is when the corporation owns a tv-cable channel. Ever wonder why the Batman movie with "Arnold" aired so much? Time-Warner owns HBO. Pad the calendar until it breaks even.

69 posted on 10/14/2009 9:17:03 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

And yet, when a film DOES hit (like the first Burton Batman) Hollywood engages in creative accounting to declare that it never turned a profit (writer Sam Hamm was to get a percent of the profits).

And the people who play these games and rape 13 year olds with alcohol and pill cocktails dare to lecture us about a “culture of corruption”.


70 posted on 10/14/2009 9:18:41 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Inspectorette

Yeah...as an old jet mechanic, I loved the scenes with the Tomcats.

One of the most beautiful jet fighters ever to take to the sky.


71 posted on 10/14/2009 9:30:10 AM PDT by rlmorel (Obama, The Flatulence of One Thousand Black Dogs After Eating Boiled Eggs Be Upon Him...)
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To: AreaMan

Got all the old classics on VHS; the new flicks - made for imbeciles and teenyboppers - pretty much suck. End of story.


72 posted on 10/14/2009 9:33:05 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: AreaMan
Since I plugged an extra disk device into my DVR I've always got about 20 movies waiting on me to watch at home. Every time I drive by Blockbuster and am tempted to turn in, I think about that DVR full of movies and just keep going.

I will, however, rent the new Star Trek and Transformers flicks when they come out.

73 posted on 10/14/2009 9:34:19 AM PDT by The Duke ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party?")
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To: Rummyfan

I buy only selected DVDs.

Things like “Casablanca”, “The Best Years of Our Lives” (my favorite!), “Monty Python and the Holy Grail”, “Animal House”, “Das Boot”, “Band of Brothers” and so on.

And, of course, I admit that I love all the Pixar stuff, although I didn’t like “Wall-e” as much as the others...


74 posted on 10/14/2009 9:34:33 AM PDT by rlmorel (Obama, The Flatulence of One Thousand Black Dogs After Eating Boiled Eggs Be Upon Him...)
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To: rlmorel
Then you'll enjoy this...

Splash The Zeros, Pt. 1

Splash The Zeros, Pt. 2

75 posted on 10/14/2009 9:40:09 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: AreaMan

I have never and will never pay close to $20 for a just-released DVD. (I’ll order it on Netflix)


76 posted on 10/14/2009 9:40:27 AM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: RexBeach
I have netflix and watch the old movies, most of the new ones are terrible, and the worse ones, which are the most plentiful right now, are the remakes of old classics. They stink. Hollywood has no new ideas and is full of left wing whackos who can't think for themselves and spend their time remaking, and ruining, old classics.

I enjoy the old TV series also, right now I am working my way through the original Dark Shadows, poor quality filming because it was a daytime soap, but very entertaining nonetheless.

77 posted on 10/14/2009 9:40:35 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Charles Martel

How Green Was My Valley - a masterpiece. Incredibly moving.


78 posted on 10/14/2009 9:41:45 AM PDT by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: rlmorel

I have to admit that Das Boot was a surprisingly good movie, I too buy mostly older stuff and the very few newer ones that are good(not many of those).


79 posted on 10/14/2009 9:42:05 AM PDT by calex59
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To: a fool in paradise

Since the entertainment unions are a fixture in California, I have long thought that they could set up their own studio, with a very different character from the typical.

To start with, the production, writers, actors, musicians, etc., unions all agree that everybody is just paid scale, across the board. The emphasis is on production volume, that is “a little work for everyone”, instead of “all the work for just a few”.

Productions would be very low budget, and ordered towards vignette and variety shows with different casts and production teams, like the original Twilight Zone, American Bandstand, and variety shows.

Profits from series sales and syndication get plowed back into more productions. Eventually create a cable syndicate with two or three channels. If, and only if, one of the shows becomes a hit, it and its cast can be contracted off to a network, entering the major leagues, as motivation to do quality work.

Thus the public gets good acting and writing and a bunch of programs to watch, even if they are on a budget; and the union’s rank and file actually get some profit and exposure for a change, instead of starving while a few on the ‘A’ list get all the work.


80 posted on 10/14/2009 9:42:11 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Barb4Bush
3 of us were watching “No Country for Old Men”. I fell asleep. The next day I asked the other 2 how it had ended. No one knew. They fell asleep, too.

Still haven't seen it. IMO, the Coen Brothers topped out with THE BIG LEBOWSKI.....

81 posted on 10/14/2009 9:42:29 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: AreaMan

Of course he purchased his fewest the year sales peaked. And like so many stories of Hollywood poverty this one is blown out of proportion, they’ve “collapsed” to about 7 billion dollars this year, plus another 4 or 5 on rentals.


82 posted on 10/14/2009 9:42:50 AM PDT by discostu (The Bluebird of Happiness long absent from his life, Ned is visited by the Chicken of Depression)
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To: Barb4Bush

My favorite Coen Brothers movie is “Intolerable Cruelty.” Very funny.


83 posted on 10/14/2009 9:42:55 AM PDT by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Last year, I put together a big load for the Salvation Army Store. Nearly 80 DVDs, almost 200 music CDs and over 100 vinyl LPs. Why? I can download almost any song I like from Napster or Rhapsody, and rent almost any movie from Net Flix.


84 posted on 10/14/2009 9:46:32 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Member of AARP - Armed And Really Pi$$ED!)
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To: Rummyfan
The last movie on DVD I purchased was CASABLANCA

You can watch it FOR FREE on Netflix.

85 posted on 10/14/2009 9:53:07 AM PDT by jslade (People that are easily offended OFFEND ME!)
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To: 50sDad

Most of today’s movies are junk. there are a few but you have to sort through the garbage to find them.

We all have our personal favorites. Mine are...
El Cid
Fall of the Roman Empire
Gladiator
War and Peace (1967 Rissian version)
Waterloo (1971)
Saving Private Ryan
And that is just the short list!

some are more personal..
The Court Jester
20,000,000 miles to Earth
Southwest Passage
Commanches
Tribute to a Bad Man.

There are also many others. I have found I enjoy some of those really bad si fi movies from the 1950’s!
I noticed that many foreign films have brought new creativity to the screen. Some of the modern Si Fi from Korea is definitly worth watching!

And almost any 1940’s WB releases with Humphry Bogart or Errol Flynn. they have a quality that has not been matched.


86 posted on 10/14/2009 10:01:06 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (You talkin' ta me? YOU TALKIN TO ME! Well just who are you talkin' to?)
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To: AreaMan

Very true. And the VHS sales collapsed for the same reason, right?


87 posted on 10/14/2009 10:12:00 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Rummyfan
the Coen Brothers topped out with THE BIG LEBOWSKI.....

Just watched it for free on Netflix.

88 posted on 10/14/2009 10:14:33 AM PDT by jslade (People that are easily offended OFFEND ME!)
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To: Slicksadick

Downfall was excellent. We also recently watched CitizenX. The story is based in Russia during the Cold War and deals with a detective who is assigned to track down the worst serial killer in history. The movie is based on a true story.


89 posted on 10/14/2009 10:17:08 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: calex59
I have to admit that Das Boot was a surprisingly good movie, I too buy mostly older stuff and the very few newer ones that are good(not many of those).

If you liked Das Boot you need to check out Stalingrad. Here is a link to the soundtrack.
90 posted on 10/14/2009 10:22:29 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Obadiah

Agree. No Country ended badly. I didn’t see the point.

The morality of the psychopathic killer - a man who didn’t lie, and never failed to keep a promise.

The futility of the law man - a step behind, too old and slow, and too scarred to retire at peace.

The intervention of fate - moral psycho is T-boned. Purchases shirt from boy, who’s clearly seen his face, yet fails to kill the boy.

Bad movie.


91 posted on 10/14/2009 10:29:30 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner; rlmorel

re: >Splash the zeros...

The filming of that caused quite a few raised eyebrows up the Navy chain of command because some of the Tomcat pilots were really hot-dogging and pushing the envelope. One of the Tomcats went down to the deck and almost flamed out and splashed himself, but recovered nicely. It’s clearly visible in the movie IF you’re looking for it... /g


92 posted on 10/14/2009 10:34:19 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner; 50cal Smokepole; All

There are several websites which track upcoming DVD releases. Some of them allow you to register and to flag titles for an email notification when they’re going to be released.

Some of those I picked-up this way over the last couple of years were:

The Final Countdown
Taras Bulba (Yul Brynner)
Kings of the Sun (Yul Brynner)
El Cid (Charlton Heston)

The other great thing is that some of these have been digitally re-mastered and restored before release. And, as VR noted, they’re usually price quite reasonably.

Sadly, the one I’m really waiting for, so far in vain is:

Paradise (Phoebe Cates)... /g


93 posted on 10/14/2009 10:44:29 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: tarheelswamprat

Yeah, I always wondered about that pilot taking his F-14 down that close to the water, and also how close in they were playing with the “Zeros” (really Texans). Oh well, by the time the brass found out about it, the Nimitz was probably already back in port.


94 posted on 10/14/2009 10:45:54 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: tarheelswamprat
Paradise (Phoebe Cates)...

You too, huh? ;)

Check on Youtube...I think you may find what you're looking for, if it has not already been removed.

95 posted on 10/14/2009 10:47:24 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Instead the financial rewards are on instant gratification “hits”. Never mind that the public will watch a King Kong, Gone With The Wind, Greatest Story Ever Told, or Laurence of Arabia for decades bringing in much money to the studio (and those involved).

Was it the “biggest non-holiday opening weekend ever”? If not, pull the ads after 3 weeks.


96 posted on 10/14/2009 10:49:01 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: AreaMan

Or it may have something to do with the fact that if you buy a movie, at some point you will have to buy it again in some new format. I’m speaking as someone who has entire film libraries in CED, laser, VHS and DVD formats and who is refusing to buy ONE DAMNED Blu-Ray!!!!! Got IT, Japan?


97 posted on 10/14/2009 10:52:35 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: TopQuark

The difference is that VHS sales gave way to DVD sales at comparable prices, vs. DVD sales are giving way to cheap streaming/rental. Where retailers were selling VHS or DVD for $5-50 a pop, those sales are being replaced by rentals at $0.50-$5 per viewing. People aren’t watching much more, but they’re paying 1/10th to watch.


98 posted on 10/14/2009 10:55:43 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Mr. Obama, I will not join your plantation.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
You too, huh? ;)

What can I say? I love the old classics... /g

Check on Youtube...I think you may find what you're looking for, if it has not already been removed.

I'm sure a clip can be found, but it really merits the fully-remastered hi-definition treatment! (3-D would be great!)

BTW, another great flick I found from the source above which only became available a year or so ago was "The 300 Spartans", with Richard Egan. It was a well-done but much more historically accurate retelling of the tale.

99 posted on 10/14/2009 10:56:26 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: RexBeach

Oh there’s plenty to watch via Netflix. Almost anything you want to see is available; I’m adding to my queue much faster than I can empty it. Sure a lot may be drivel, but it’s drivel _I_ want to see, when I want, on my own terms, without commercial interruption.

With 150+ in my queue now, there’s no point in buying a movie when it will be an optimistic 3 years before I get a chance to watch anything a second time (and that’s without any more additions to the list).

I expect my only movie purchases in the next 5 years will be a dozen Blu-ray discs for those very few I re-watch and want to possess (Koyaanisqatsi, Watchmen, Matrix, Blade Runner, Being Human, Truman Show, etc.).


100 posted on 10/14/2009 11:03:41 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Mr. Obama, I will not join your plantation.)
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