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Obama concedes he's not a NBC, in Obama vs. Keyes 2004 Debate
Wordpress ^ | October 15, 2009

Posted on 10/15/2009 10:23:32 PM PDT by Red Steel

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1 posted on 10/15/2009 10:23:32 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

No Video = No Happen


2 posted on 10/15/2009 10:28:13 PM PDT by kik5150
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To: Red Steel

If this is true, why hasn’t Alan Keyes talked about it?


3 posted on 10/15/2009 10:28:35 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: kik5150
No Video = No Happen

Who needs video when this was "mentioned" at Stormfront!

It's gotta be true!

4 posted on 10/15/2009 10:31:17 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: kik5150

The raw video exists somewhere now getting hold of it is the question.


5 posted on 10/15/2009 10:31:21 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Drew68

Actually it’s mentioned on Post & Email.


6 posted on 10/15/2009 10:32:26 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: nickcarraway
If this is true, why hasn’t Alan Keyes talked about it?

From the article:

Keyes forgot.

7 posted on 10/15/2009 10:32:31 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Red Steel
Actually it’s mentioned on Post & Email.

That cites Stormfront for evidence. You missed that part? It's right there on the link you provided.

8 posted on 10/15/2009 10:33:21 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

Hard to believe he would forget that.


11 posted on 10/15/2009 10:36:15 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Drew68

No fool, the link from the WordPress goes to The Post & Email.


12 posted on 10/15/2009 10:37:15 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: nickcarraway
Hard to believe he would forget that.

Indeed.

I'd also bet that Keyes somewhere has saved the videos of his debates with Obama.

13 posted on 10/15/2009 10:39:10 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Red Steel

Typically, when a candidate is a debate for office, his staff will record the debate for the purposes of research and to be used in commercials.

Too bad that The Keyes campaign staff did not have the skills required to run a dog catcher campaign in Kansas.


14 posted on 10/15/2009 10:39:11 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: nickcarraway

Someone should request the Chicago Affiliate to provide the debate tape to see if this really happened.


15 posted on 10/15/2009 10:39:51 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
This just popped up on Twitter. Very weird.

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

16 posted on 10/15/2009 10:41:38 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade, There are only two sides. Pick one.)
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To: Red Steel

Now there’s a tape I’d like to see.


17 posted on 10/15/2009 10:42:01 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: Red Steel; All

we NEED that video!!!


18 posted on 10/15/2009 10:43:05 PM PDT by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: john in springfield

So would I. Very likely the debate tape has been astroturfed.


19 posted on 10/15/2009 10:44:02 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Drew68

And the article also mentions Free Republic.


20 posted on 10/15/2009 10:50:12 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
And the article also mentions Free Republic.

Yes, it does. Furthermore, I'll concede that just because something was posted on Stormfront doesn't mean it's BS.

That being said, unless a video surfaces, this is BS. And if a video surfaces, someone may want to forward it to Keyes since he doesn't remember Obama saying this and Keyes could probably use the evidence right now.

I'll be waiting patiently for the video footage which, admittedly, would be pretty big news. I believe I'll be waiting a long, long time.

21 posted on 10/15/2009 10:54:24 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: sageb1
This just popped up on Twitter. Very weird.

And posted here on about 150 different threads since yesterday.

22 posted on 10/15/2009 10:55:59 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Red Steel

Of course he was born in Kenya, his grandmother said so, said she was there in the room when he was born in Kenya. No wonder he didn’t bring her to live in the White House.


23 posted on 10/15/2009 10:57:20 PM PDT by buffyt (I don't agree with Reid,Schumer,Pelosi,Snowe,Dodd,Rangel,Frank,Obama,does that make me RACIST?)
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To: Drew68

Sorry. Didn’t see.


24 posted on 10/15/2009 11:00:50 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade, There are only two sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1
Sorry. Didn’t see.

It's all good.

At least you didn't post thread #151. Someone else will though.

25 posted on 10/15/2009 11:02:27 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

Thanks. I post FR stuff at facebook. This wasn’t an issue I focused on so...well, I guess you understand.;)


26 posted on 10/15/2009 11:08:07 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade, There are only two sides. Pick one.)
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To: Drew68
Yes, it does. Furthermore, I'll concede that just because something was posted on Stormfront doesn't mean it's BS.

That being said, unless a video surfaces, this is BS.

Suprisingly, we agree on the first count but not on the second.

I wouldn't call it BS until the debate video can be seen in its entirety.

27 posted on 10/15/2009 11:10:50 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

If Keyes made that statement - it’s not your typical accusation - why can’t he remember it? Also, since BO, somewhat agreed.


28 posted on 10/15/2009 11:17:29 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Red Steel
I wouldn't call it BS until the debate video can be seen in its entirety.

I'd like to see this video in its entirety as well. As, I'm sure, would Dr. Keyes since he was there.

Video footage of Barack Obama looking into a camera and saying he's not eligible for the presidency would be huge news. Even I wouldn't try and spin that.

Depositions from birthers claiming they saw this on TV? Eh, not so much.

29 posted on 10/15/2009 11:20:24 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Red Steel; LucyT
Oct 12, 2004 Alan Keyes and Barack Obama debate, hosted by Illinois Radio Network: transcript - audio

Oct 21, 2004 U.S. Senate debate sponsored by the League of Women Voters in Illinois: transcript - audio

Oct 26, 2004 Debate sponsored by WTTW and the City Club of Chicago: transcript
30 posted on 10/15/2009 11:26:02 PM PDT by Brown Deer
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To: Red Steel

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm


31 posted on 10/15/2009 11:29:59 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Red Steel; EternalVigilance
I believe Eternal Vigilance, who knows and has worked for Dr Keyes has said no such thing occurred. If EV says no such thing occurred I trust his annoying and slightly sycophantic recall of facts.
32 posted on 10/15/2009 11:31:29 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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Illinois Senate Debate

Debate - 10/21/2004
Candidates for the U.S. Senate from Illinois took part in a debate. The candidates are seeking the position vacated by the planned retirement of Senator Fitzgerald. Mr. Obama is a State Senator and garnered national...
Person: Alan Keyes, U.S. Senate Candidate, R IL
Person: Barack Obama, U.S. Senate Candidate, D IL

Illinois Senate Student Forum

Debate - 09/29/2004
Illinois Senate candidates Alan Keyes and Barack Obama took part in a student forum at WTTW-TV studios in Chicago. Each candidate had a half-hour to... met with the students first, followed by Barack Obama. WTTW-TV hosted the forum.
Person: Alan Keyes, U.S. Senate Candidate, R IL
Person: Barack Obama, U.S. Senate Candidate, D IL

Illinois Senate Debate

Debate - 10/26/2004
Candidates for the U.S. Senate from Illinois took part in a debate. The candidates are seeking the position vacated by the planned retirement of Senator Fitzgerald. Mr. Obama is a State Senator and garnered national...
Person: Alan Keyes, U.S. Senate Candidate, R IL
Person: Barack Obama, U.S. Senate Candidate, D IL

Illinois Senate Debate

Debate - 10/12/2004
Democratic State Senator Obama and former candidate for the Republican presidential nomination Keyes debated in the Old State Capitol for the Illinois senate seat opened by the retirement of Senator Fitzgerald. ...
Person: Alan Keyes, U.S. Senate Candidate, R IL
Person: Barack Obama, U.S. Senate Candidate, D IL
33 posted on 10/16/2009 12:33:07 AM PDT by Brown Deer
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To: Brown Deer
I have spent the last few hours watching these which I easily found on the CSPAN site, and did NOT find the references that Carlton and Post & Email made.

Leo Donofrio actually kicked John Charlton and his blog Post & Email off his site, permanently banned him. This was Donofrio's post, ed. is Donofrio. I do not trust Charlton, and I think that the debunking of the myth he posted about today on his blog and debunked by FR here this early morning JUSTIFIED Donofrio in banning him. Do not trust that site. I think it also justifies Donofrio's position that Charlton is part of the distraction effort, and validates the opinion that Donofrio is on the right track with the Hawaiian inquiries and with the fact that Obama's father is British. Which precludes Obama from ever having the Natural Born Citizenship status required for the office of POTUS. Here is the post:
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/uipa-request-5-from-leo-c-donofrio/

John Charlton Says:
October 9, 2009 at 8:17 PM

Leo,

A concerned citizen just got this reply from the AG’s office in HI about the nbc issue:

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/hi-attorney-generals-office-denies-policies-on-nbc/

Would beg your input on what this response means (something that I could quote you on, at the Post & Email).

[ed. My input is that I do not have any faith in you - Mr. John Charlton - or your publication the Post and Email. I suspect your blog's motivation for existing is directly opposite to the intention of my blog.

As of today, October 9, 2009 you are permanently banned from commenting at this blog. You have the sole honor of that ban to yourself. No other person or journal has earned this distinction. As far as I am concerned, you no longer even exist in the blogosphere.

I do not trust you and I find your attempt to jump from journalist to lawyer arrogant, suspicious and very sad. I will not grace your Seussian Hooplah with another glance. I encourage my readers to ignore your dangerously misleading legal analysis.

No future links to your blog will be posted here. All prior links will remain although this statement will be added as an update. I will not attempt to revise history and erase my prior - very mistaken - support of your blog.

Readers, there appears to be a very well coordinated attempt in the blogosphere to control damage which my recent reports and legal analysis have generated in opposition to the official Hawaii DoH story.

Rest assured, the Hawaii Attorney General's office provided an opinion to the DoH which was recorded. Both I and another researcher received an official response from Hawaii Deputy Attorney General Jill T. Nagamine a few days ago which clearly denied access to the letter concerning the "natural born citizen" statement made by Fukino on July 27, 2009. It acknowledged the existence of this opinion while claiming attorney client privilege thereto. When the time is right, I will publish on this issue. For the time being, my research and evidence gathering continue.

The question discussed at Mr. Charlton's blog which was allegedly sent to Nagamine contains one of the most horribly constructed queries one could ever dream up - a true work of Seussian Hooplah which conveniently allowed the "no records exist" answer she gave.

Here is the misleading question sent to the AG's office:


"I am requesting...Final opinions, including concurring and dissenting opinions, as well as orders made in the adjudication of cases, except to the extent protected by section 92F-13(1), which contain any mention of “natural born citizen” issued by your department in the last 10 years..."

Since the AG will argue that the opinion her office provided to Director Fukino is subject to the protection of 92F-13(1), Nagamine responded that no records exist responsive to that request.

The question above left wiggle room the size of ten football fields for one to slip through. The question appears to have been devised for just that purpose. I can assure you that no serious inquisitor would ever issue a question so devoid of teeth as the one above. Rest assured, the question I asked and to which she responded left no wiggle room.

Do not be distracted. Seussian Hooplah is coming from enemies of the truth as well as those who purport to be in search of the truth. Be aware of it. Understand it. Expose it.

We have them cornered. I couldn't be more encouraged. Rarely do you get to see the fruits of your labor confirmed in this way. Usually, the suspects keep their mouths shut. But when you place a rat in a corner, he has no choice but to attack. By attacking - they admit to having been placed in a corner.

I expect continuing deception on many levels, but I feel energized that this blog has struck fear in the hearts of those opposed to truth. They are now forced to expose themselves. People sell their souls so easily these days. Who knows how far the rot goes? But for anyone with a desire for truth, the truth will be crystal clear.

The awakening is upon us. But puss must first come to the surface for the infection to heal. Let it come. This is a cleansing process.

Getting the truth to you is my burden. What you do with that truth is yours.

Leo C. Donofrio, Citizen Attorney 10.09.2009 9:14 PM ET]

34 posted on 10/16/2009 1:23:47 AM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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This has been debunked, thought you might want to investigate it and add that to the title of the article if you concur.


35 posted on 10/16/2009 1:39:28 AM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Artemis Webb

EV is right, I watched the debates tonight and though I did do some cautious skimming, I did NOT find anything of the sort in any of the Videos on CSPAN Video Archives.


36 posted on 10/16/2009 1:41:15 AM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Artemis Webb

I read all three transcripts on scribd. The second debate was televised. Didn’t see that exchange anywhere.


37 posted on 10/16/2009 3:28:24 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: machogirl

i found an article which mentions something Keyes said which might have provoked O’s response.

http://www-news.uchicago.edu/citations/04/041027.obama-st.html

In a discussion of the problem of illegal aliens, Keyes said “we need to change our basis for citizenship because I think . . . where you’re a citizen just because you’re born here is something that is contributing to this problem and needs to be changed.”

Afterward, Keyes said citizenship should only be granted if both parents are U.S. citizens.


38 posted on 10/16/2009 3:40:10 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: Red Steel

This seems like a complete setup...

http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcripts.php?p=2

In none of the transcripts, and yes, I checked all three of the debates; I came to this conclusion, the exchanged that was stated in this thread never happened.

If you are curious, I have some birther blood running through my veins. I wish we had definite proof either way, that is why I searched.


39 posted on 10/16/2009 3:56:20 AM PDT by BushCountry (We divide into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.)
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To: Drew68
Another “Whitey” tape
40 posted on 10/16/2009 4:11:48 AM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: uncitizen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53QapiHA0Lg

Is this it?


41 posted on 10/16/2009 5:14:18 AM PDT by freedom9 (. . . on the other hand, Truth is supremely formidable.)
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To: freedom9; All

I don’t have time to listen to the whole thing right now, but it appears that it could be. Someone who knows how PLEASE save the video in post #41 before it gets pulled off youtube.

THANKS FREEDOM9! And you might post this as a brand new thread if possible.


42 posted on 10/16/2009 5:20:13 AM PDT by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: uncitizen

I have them saved. But probably won’t watch them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53QapiHA0Lg

http://www.kissyoutube.com/watch?v=53QapiHA0Lg

Add “kiss” in front of youtube and you can save videos from youtube


43 posted on 10/16/2009 5:30:38 AM PDT by freedom9 (. . . on the other hand, Truth is supremely formidable.)
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To: Drew68
I'll be waiting patiently for the video footage

It will be released the day after the release of the photo, so hyped before the 1992 and 1996 elections, showing Bill Clinton, as a Rhodes Scholar, attending an anti-Vietnam War demonstration in England, where an American flag was burned.

And a day before the 1963 photo showing Adolf Hitler sitting on the veranda of an Argentine ranch house, dictating his memoirs to Martin Borman.

/sarcasm

44 posted on 10/16/2009 5:34:05 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: Red Steel

It would be a sad day for American history if it were allowed to continue well after Obama has left office to continue the charade game of protecting an usurper in the Whitehouse.

And the millions if not billions of dollars to revise all textbooks so that future generations know the REAL truth, that Obama never planned on the ascension to POTUS but when the wave was high and moving fast his handlers decided to ride it as far as they could and like winning a Superlotto Obama was elected.

But the real and I stress, REAL problem is that he cannot legally be POTUS and no amount of media blitz can prove he is a legitimate POTUS.

His legal bills should be well over 2 million by now in attorney fees to keep up the charade, and exponentially will grow, and then it will escalate to whatever degree that any person questioning his legitamicy can be arrested and jailed as political prisoners.

Or is America already a political prisoner?


45 posted on 10/16/2009 5:40:20 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: freedom9

i’m in the process of watching the 2nd video right now. The first one was not the smoking gun.


46 posted on 10/16/2009 5:42:06 AM PDT by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: Danae

I tend to agree with your assessment of Charlton. The blog has had some great posts but this one about the CSPAN video just seems totally out of whack.

I don’t understand why people post things without proper verification. These guys are destined to go the route of the African Press International (API) with their Michele tape, and WND with their story about the Ark of the Covenant.

Our country is under seige from within and the only way out is the truth.


47 posted on 10/16/2009 6:14:11 AM PDT by surfer
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To: Brown Deer; Red Steel; LucyT

Closest I could find was Obama in second debate:

What you’re interested in is solving problems like jobs, and health care, and education. I’m not running to be the minister of Illinois. I’m running to be its United States Senator


48 posted on 10/16/2009 6:22:41 AM PDT by circumbendibus (Where's the Birth Certificate?)
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To: circumbendibus; surfer; Danae; thouworm; rxsid; GOPJ; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; ...
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An endeavor for accuracy.

Check out this from #34 (paragraphed for easier reading).

Leo Donofrio actually kicked John Charlton and his blog Post & Email off his site, permanently banned him. This was Donofrio's post, ed. is Donofrio. I do not trust Charlton, and I think that the debunking of the myth he posted about today on his blog and debunked by FR here this early morning JUSTIFIED Donofrio in banning him. Do not trust that site.

I think it also justifies Donofrio's position that Charlton is part of the distraction effort, and validates the opinion that Donofrio is on the right track with the Hawaiian inquiries and with the fact that Obama's father is British. Which precludes Obama from ever having the Natural Born Citizenship status required for the office of POTUS.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2363686/posts#34

Also #47 and #48.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2363686/posts?page=47#47

49 posted on 10/16/2009 8:22:09 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Red Steel

RS,

Several months ago, I made inquiries searching for this footage. Someone e-mailed personally and claimed to have actually seen in on YOUTUBE, but that it wasn’t during the debates, but rather backstage (recorded with a home video camera). Supposedly, Keyes posed the question to BO (off set) and BO replied with the comment: “That’s OK...I’m not running for President, just Senator...”.

I think he was trying to set a “GO BACK” feature on his computer to find it, but it couldn’t be retrieved. Then I rec’d an e-mail (or possibly reply from a FR post) from someone claiming to be an assistant of Kreeps or Keyes, stating that it never happened ?

Nothing would please me more that to locate it...either it happened and someone got bribed to erase it, or it never occurred and is just a rumor ?

To date, very few, if any witnesses have stated with 100%
assurance that they personally observed this and can vouche for its authenticity.

That’s all I know....good luck !


50 posted on 10/16/2009 9:50:35 AM PDT by rocco55
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