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Air Force Generals Controlling Nuclear Missiles Removed
self ^ | 10/16/09 | self

Posted on 10/15/2009 10:42:46 PM PDT by STD

News that Air Force Generals were sacked by the President for recent mishaps, incidents and failures in exercises at nuclear missile batteries hidden across the Western United States has been widely questioned by the Airmen and Airwomen based at these facilities.

It's time that somebody brought out the truth that the politicians in Washington DC seem desperate to hide' one NCO reported in a blog sent out yesterday

NCO's at Minot ND's Air Base are quick to point out that nothing abnormal, or unexpected has occurred over the past year that could possibly have warranted the removal of these Air Force Generals. 'If anything our Boss is a great leader and a good example for all junior officers' the NCO continued.

Career NCO's form the backbone of the Air Force's nuclear deterrent. They are professional warriors that are anxious to report and deny the President's charges that their commanders are anything less than inspirational leaders.

'Something strange has been going on at Command' We all knew things were changing around here when we were standing down our birds and taking perfectly good missiles off the line for extended periods of time' 'We were told that we lacked fuel and spare parts. We were to salvage parts from our Wing's birds to serve some other Wing based on the coast in California' Of course, everybody here knew that this story is pure cock n' bull. New officers arrived immediately from Washington, many had no prior service with Missile Command. I'm just shaking my head' God forbid this is some kind of test of personal loyalty to the President?

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: airforce; communistcoup; generals; missinglink; mutiny; nuclear; obama; sacked
Well, for whatever it's worth heads up guys! Apparently, there is lots of hopey changey going on within the nuclear triad that's successfully protected this country since 1945.
1 posted on 10/15/2009 10:42:48 PM PDT by STD
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To: STD

Seems like a dumb question in the wake of the 2008 election; but is there any independent reporting of these events, names of USAF Officers, congressional oversight, etc.


2 posted on 10/15/2009 10:46:43 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Live Free or Fight")
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To: STD
"Air Force Generals were sacked by the President

Something really wrong here. One general I can see but more then one? My gut tells me this this is very bad for what is left of America.
3 posted on 10/15/2009 10:48:07 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Time to start organizing, that's if we are ever going to.)
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To: STD

Now that I see you posted this, I’m kinda freaked out..........


4 posted on 10/15/2009 10:51:57 PM PDT by cmsgop (Another proud graduate of the Larry Storch school of posting)
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To: STD

If this is what it appears to be, Reagan is probably rolling over in his grave because of this foolishness.

I’m afraid if 0bama gets his way, “MAD” will no longer be assured, and certainly not mutual. However, the destruction part of the “MAD” scenario will remain in tact, but it will only apply to us.

We are SO screwed.....


5 posted on 10/15/2009 10:54:43 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: STD

In Nazi Germany, the military oath was changed from obedience to the German state to obedience to the Fuhrer. Also, doesn’t Mr. Obama want unilateral nuclear weapons elimination? Well, there you go!


6 posted on 10/15/2009 10:55:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin if she runs; What will you do?)
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To: STD

I had wondered how the Obama Purge of the military officer corps would begin. Cllinton used the Tailhook convention and carried out a Purge first of the Navy then of all the services. Experienced officers above O-4 were cashiered or forced into useless corners. Leftists never trust the militarty and certainly not the military in place when they accede to power. They especially do not trust field experienced officers and will strive to replace them with personally loyal bureaucrats and nonentities. The Clinton Purge was a large part of the reason that Iraq bogged down so badly after the initial victory. There was no real success until the combat capable junior officers came up through the ranks on the battlefield to replace the Clinton desk jockeys.


7 posted on 10/15/2009 11:01:04 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: STD
Replace the competent military officers with yes men and stooges loyal to Obama. Make our military technology available to our enemies via the commerce department headed by a communist sympathizer. Divert billions of dollars from the defense budget that should be buying ammo, guns, food and fuel for our troops and use it for political pork and monuments to recently deceased communists Senators. Cancel procurements of chaff for our forward based military aircraft. Allow the Taliban to retake control of Off-Gonee-stahn. Indeed our ability to defend this country is being destroyed.
8 posted on 10/15/2009 11:01:45 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: JoSixChip

It is the inevitable PURGE.


9 posted on 10/15/2009 11:02:11 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: cmsgop

The wing commander was removed for loss of confidence by his Numbered AF commander because of failing a recent base inspection and other incidents. I don’t see anything else.


Air Force Space Command Public Affairs

10/14/2009 - PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. — The commander of the 91st Missile Wing at Minot Air Force Base, N.D., was relieved of command on Oct. 14 due to loss of confidence in his ability to command.

Col. Christopher B. Ayres was removed by Maj. Gen. Roger W. Burg, commander of 20th Air Force. Col. Ayres assumed command in May 2008.

http://www.minot.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123172764


10 posted on 10/15/2009 11:05:51 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: STD
November 07, 2000 21:23
JT: In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my perspective), China and Europe.

December 13, 2000 12:44
Q: I think Russia is still very likely to attack the United States with nuclear weapons. It's hard to imagine being here to see it.
JT: You are also correct but I want to add a twist to your thinking. Russia's enemy in the United States is not you, the average person. Russia's enemy is the United States government.

Source: John Titor

11 posted on 10/15/2009 11:06:16 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: STD

Stalin did this and damned near lost WWII because of it.


12 posted on 10/15/2009 11:06:24 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: STD
Is this connected? Tentative Inspection Program Would Allow Russia to Visit U.S. Nuclear Sites

Maybe he's trying to earn that peace prize.

13 posted on 10/15/2009 11:09:05 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: STD

Is any of the below related:

Anti_Illuminati:
http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/04/01/blair-gates-ok-multi-billion-secret-sats/
Blair, Gates OK Multi-Billion Secret Sats
By Colin Clark Wednesday, April 1st, 2009 10:17 am
Posted in Intelligence, Policy, Space

UPDATED: With Confirmation, Explanation by DNI spokeswoman

DNI spokeswoman Vanee Vines confirmed April 2 that the DNI and Defense Secretary approved the “next generation electro-optical satellites.” Vines said the decision was “based on the results of multiple panels and studies conducted over the last several years…” She said the DNI was “working to ensure we can continue to provide deep insights” into world events for the president and military forces, a clear reference to the possibility of a gap in the American eletroc-optical constellation. Vines would not discuss the costs or schedule of the proposed satellite system.

President Barack Obama is expected to approve a new constellation of highly classified multi-billion dollar spy satellites in the next few days, injecting a major new expenditure into the Defense Department budget that was not planned when the administration began its budget deliberations.

The debate between the intelligence community and the military over this system has been particularly sharp. In the words of one Hill source familiar with the issue. “A deep path has been worn between the Pentagon and the White House on this one,” the source said.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair signed a classified memo approving the program on March 30, according to two sources familiar with the program. Details of the program are highly classified. A DNI spokesman had not responded by the time we posted this story but may provide details later.

However, we have obtained a few details in the meantime.

The system may cost $3.5 billion to get started, if earlier estimates are accurate. It may cost up to $10 billion, over the next five years depending on which technical approach was approved and on how many satellites will be built.

The Hill source said that the DNI and Pentagon would have great trouble paying for the system. “I don’t think they can come up with enough to pay for two-plus-two,” the source said, refusing to add any details.

This is what led to the decision to approve the new system. Blair commissioned a group, led by Paul Kaminski, former undersecretary of Defense for acquisition and technology, to tell him whether the US faces a capabilities gap as aging satellites die and the US continues to fail to put new ones into orbit. While there is vigorous disagreement within Congress, DoD and the intelligence community as to whether there really be a gap that needs to be filled, the official consensus seems to be that the country cannot afford the risk.

Kaminski and his panel, “basically said, we want everything, a robust constellation,” according to one source familiar with the discussions. In the coded language that the intelligence community uses dealing with people who aren’t cleared, this means that Blair is pushing an “exquisite” solution. And that means it’s a really technologically advanced satellite with big and expensive optics able to deliver the rarest and finest strategic intelligence to the president. “We are asking for the Rolex,” said our source. This source does not believe the country needs what the DNI wants: “We are chasing what we want, rather than what we need.”

A former government official with experience of space programs was sharply critical of the DNI’s approach: “The panel recommendations appear to be another triumph of over-the-top programs that seek performance beyond reasonable need. The costs are astronomical in terms of dollars, risk, and missed opportunities. Though I highly respect the panel members, at some point we should ask ourselves whether it’s wise to rely exclusively on ‘greybeards’ when considering the kind of changes required in this post-Cold War era.

All this echoes comments made recently by Marine Gen. James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, that the country does not need exquisite systems and Cartwright is a major player in the debate about what electro-optical satellites need building. For example, he was present when Gates was briefed.

The Pentagon and DNI will pull money from across all of DoD and the intelligence community. Pentagon funding will not come from the space budget (black or white).

There may be one big flaw in the plan currently being considered: it completely ignores US policy that requires the government use commercial data whenever possible. A senior Defense Department official said the current constellation would not include any commercial satellites or any money to buy commercial data from the two American companies that have satellites in orbit.

DoDBuzz readers have known about this effort from the beginning when we broke the story about the failed effort by the last DNI, Mike McConnell, to try and stuff $3.5 billion into the recently passed financial rescue supplemental. The money would have gone to build at least one of these satellites. Some $300 million of it would have gone to buy commercial data on the side.

In the latest effort, Kaminski and his panel of so-called greybeards have briefed Blair and Gates. Kaminski spoke two weeks ago with the tiny coterie of Hill aides who determine intelligence spending and policy. Apparently, he told them little beyond how the process worked and the broad outlines of his plan. But the Hill aides, who have been very frustrated with the slow pace and uncertain course of both the Pentagon and intelligence community on the electro-optical constellation, reportedly told Kaminski they will support the way ahead as long as somebody actually takes a decision and does something.
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“This is trying to revive the B.A.S.I.C. program. The issue is that it will kill companies that rely on the promise of imagery sales. The prospects for GEOEYE and DIGITALGLOBE will die and two more companies will go by the wayside.

Kind of goes hand in hand with he new administrations plans to take over companies, fire CEO’s and now kill companies.

Do we really need it? NO, but we really want it.”

Anti_Illuminati:

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/cat_cyberwarfare.html

Resignations at the Top of the Cyber Sec Ranks

Mischel Kwon has resigned as director of the U.S. Computer Emergency Response Team in the Department of Homeland Security. She was the fourth U.S. CERT director in five years.

It is believed she will remain in authority until September 2nd of this year. This comes at a particularly interesting time. The same day she resigned, Phil Reitinger, the director of the National Cyber Security Center at DHS, said in a statement that the administration “has made cyber security a top priority.” One article stated that Kwon had become frustrated by bureaucratic obstacles and a lack of authority to fulfill her mission.

Kwon’s resignation follows that of Rod Beckstrom who resigned back in March.

[INSERT: Resigned Cybersecurity “chief” to be used as scapegoat for 2009 false flag?
Kissinger/Brzezinski [CSIS], 4-star Generals [NCOIC] taking over Internet
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=91406.msg529346#msg529346

He claimed the lack of support inside the agency and what he described as a power grab by the National Security Agency were the reasons for his departure.

Earlier this week Melissa Hathaway, who was regarded as one of the top cyber advisor to the White House recently resigned as well. So why did she resign? Good question and a question that Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), a senior ranking member on the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, wants answered. Collins has requested that her staff members interview Hathaway regarding why she is leaving. Hathaway would only site personal reasons for her resignation which is effective August 24th.

That being said Hathaway reportedly noted in her comments that it has been two months since President Obama made a highly publicized speech stating the importance of cyber security. Hathaway has been quoted as saying “I wasn’t willing to continue to wait any longer, because I’m not empowered right now to continue to drive the change.”

These resignations highlight a much larger problem, it shows the inability of the federal government to hire and retain qualified cyber security leaders. Two months after President Obama pledged to “personally” select someone to be the White House’s cyber security coordinator (AKA Cyber Czar), the position remains unfilled. He said that it was time the country had one official to coordinate against likely future attacks on the nation’s technological infrastructure. One report by Government Info Security says that about 30 people have been considered for the job and yet the position remains unfilled.

Why not takers? What do they know that we don’t? The nation’s security is actually at risk and not having a cyber czar doesn’t help. The continued churn has other concerning implications that point to a much bigger issue.

— Kevin Coleman
August 10, 2009 06:32 AM | Cyber-warfare

Anti_Illuminati:
Originally posted by Catalina (moved to this thread).

Navy Removes Top Nuke Weapons Officer
http://www.military.com/news/article/navy-removes-top-nuke-weapons-officer.html

BANGOR, Wash. - The Navy dismissed the commanding officer of a Washington state-based nuclear weapons facility Friday, citing a loss of confidence in his ability to lead, the Pentagon said.

Capt. Timothy J. Block, who headed the Navy’s Bangor operation arming Trident submarines with nuclear warheads, was relieved of duty on by Rear Adm. Stephen E. Johnson, the Navy’s director of strategic systems programs, according to the Kitsap Sun.

A Navy spokesman told The Associated Press that no single incident led to Block’s removal. The spokesman would only comment anonymously because he felt he should not pre-empt his supervisor.

Pentagon spokesman Cmdr. J.A. “Cappy” Surette told the newspaper that public safety was not jeopardized and that no “specific issue” was involved.

Washington state’s Naval Base Kitsap-Bangor is home to nuclear submarines, ships and laboratories. The facility also assembles and stores nuclear weapons before outfitting the subs.

Block was about a year into a three-year stint. Surette says the captain has been reassigned but his next station has not been determined.

Navy Capt. Kevin Zumbar, deputy director of strategic systems programs based in the Washington, D.C., area, will take over command until a replacement is found.

Block is the second facility commander in recent years to be relieved of duty for “a loss of confidence.” Capt. Keith Lyles was dismissed after failing a nuclear weapons inspection om 2003.

Now this.

Minot Air Force Base 69th Bomb Squadron Soon Activated
http://www.kxmb.com/News/428622.asp

After months of anticipation and preparation, the Minot Air Force Base is ready to officially activate its newly formed 69th Bomb Squadron. The new unit will be the fourth operational B-52 squadron in the Air Force.

The Minot base is home to the 23rd Bomb Squadron and Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana has two operational B-52 units.

Colonel Julian Tolbert says this is a great milestone for the base, and they will be receiving additional personnel and aircrafts in order to complete this mission. While some members of the new squadron are already in town, Colonel Tolbert says the base is preparing to accomodate the remainder of the arrivals, which will be staggered over the next 8 to 12 months.

(Col. Julian Tolbert / MAFB) “We have been building new some facility for the new bomb squadron, we have been increasing our capacity to have additional flights and to house additional personnel as they arrive at Minot Air Force Base.”

The 69th Bomb Squadron activation ceremony is set to take place this Thursday at the Base.

The new squadron will include about 800 new personnel. Video http://www.kxmb.com/video.asp?ArticleId=428622&VideoId=30398


14 posted on 10/15/2009 11:15:49 PM PDT by luckybogey
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To: RedRover; jazusamo; Girlene; 4woodenboats; Grimmy; xzins; smoothsailing; lilycicero; bigheadfred; ..

(( ping ))

It sounds like Ubama’s communists at State have taken charge.


15 posted on 10/15/2009 11:18:08 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It just gets “worser and worser”.

LLS


16 posted on 10/15/2009 11:19:56 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
It's coming. Stay out of large population areas. General Petraeus?
17 posted on 10/15/2009 11:31:33 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: arthurus

This could indeed be a purge. If a clampdown is imminent, the first thing its leaders would wish to do is ensure that the nation’s nuclear arsenal is under the control of generals and admirals who are personally loyal to the leaders.

In the end, however, the success of a clampdown depends upon the willingness of the U.S. soldier or Marine to fire upon U.S. citizens. Our armed forces have been employed against American citizens on several occasions; there is no reason to believe most soldiers today would balk at shooting you or me if so ordered.


18 posted on 10/15/2009 11:31:59 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan
I found Titor’s dialog fascinating, too. I wish less of the opportunity was spent with him being attacked on that one kook and more time thinking up good questions for him to answer about his life and the US. They did a pretty good job questioning him about his technology. That said, this is the time for every evil weevil thing in the world to made their move against us with Chairman hate America in power.
19 posted on 10/15/2009 11:41:30 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: STD

I suspect pod people. Seriously.


20 posted on 10/15/2009 11:46:41 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2363511/posts


21 posted on 10/15/2009 11:49:19 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: B-Chan
I do not anticipate a military takeover by the administration. It does seem to be normal for leftists to try to mold the military to be loyal to themselves. Leftists/liberals always suconsciously or consciously fear a militray coup because they know that they are proposing and enacting unconstitutional and non traditional things.I believe even Carter, who came from the military shared that unease and that informed his drastic cutback of the military.

A leftist will ne reluctant to use even a purged military to deal with his enemies (leftists have no "opposition" only enemies). They would rather use a militia built by them from the ground up. Husein is the most serious about this of all the Social Democrats we have had. Remember his call for a very well financed civilian defense force? $-8 bil for ACORN is a start on this. It will buy a lot of brown or purple shirts and the "defunding" that just occurred was temporary and will be reinstated either to ACORN or to whatever other name that organization will use.

22 posted on 10/16/2009 12:08:26 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: STD

I’ve been concerned that if push comes to shove, enlisted personnel might be with us, officers with their government. (Not my government.) But if some of the good officers are being fired or transferred (and effectively demoted), the us/they line may be quite a bit higher than I’ve feared. An ill wind blowing a whisper of good?


23 posted on 10/16/2009 12:33:16 AM PDT by JohnQ1 (Pray for peace, prepare for war.)
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To: swheats
Is this connected? Tentative Inspection Program Would Allow Russia to Visit U.S. Nuclear Sites Maybe he's trying to earn that peace prize.

I thought the same thing - Hillary agreeing to open all our nuclear sites up (domestic and foreign) for Russian inspection. We have no assurances we will be afforded the same inspection privledges with Russia, not that I trust them any further than I can throw them.

24 posted on 10/16/2009 12:41:20 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

Obama just opened our war technology to China, too. They won’t have to spy anymore.


25 posted on 10/16/2009 12:44:33 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: STD

TREASON EN MASSE PROGRESSES FROM THE REGRESSIVE CREW FROM HELL.


26 posted on 10/16/2009 2:07:15 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: incredulous joe
"Seems like a dumb question in the wake of the 2008 election; but is there any independent reporting of these events, names of USAF Officers, congressional oversight, etc."

Not dumb at all. Stories without verifiable sources (names, dates, publications) should NEVER be taken seriously. No matter how much the story might re-enforce what we want to think.
27 posted on 10/16/2009 3:29:34 AM PDT by TruthBeforeAll (The Top 10 Most Murderous Cities in the US (per capita) Are All Run By Dem Mayors - 2005 Report)
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To: luckybogey

While I am sure some of this is Obama trying to put loyalists into power, let us not lose sight of the fact that there were several major snafus with regard to our nuclear arsenal that took place later in the Bush Administration.

Some of these changes may be a result of the investigation that took place into those incidents.


28 posted on 10/16/2009 3:43:15 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: TruthBeforeAll

As much as I’d like to pass this story along, and as plausible as it may seem under Obama, I won’t until I have additional sources.

If this is true, someone should be reporting it ~ possibly Bill Gertz?


29 posted on 10/16/2009 3:56:32 AM PDT by incredulous joe ("Live Free or Fight")
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To: STD

No names?


30 posted on 10/16/2009 3:59:03 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: incredulous joe

???

Who knows what’s NOT being reported???

I wouldn’t bet on anything any way!


31 posted on 10/16/2009 5:25:18 AM PDT by gunnyg (Just An Old Gunny ~ And Still Not A F'en Commie Basterd!)
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To: gunnyg

HERE!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h2osNsQtQVZLyWuVH5brcKS5v4aw


32 posted on 10/16/2009 5:33:24 AM PDT by gunnyg (Just An Old Gunny ~ And Still Not A F'en Commie Basterd!)
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To: STD

I used to think the idea of a revolution or military action within the borders of this country was absurd and laughable.

I’m not so sure anymore.


33 posted on 10/16/2009 5:34:28 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Hope....Change...Bullsh*t)
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To: B-Chan

John Titor was underrated.


34 posted on 10/16/2009 6:01:11 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns
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To: STD

After the inspections by the commies our entire nuclear capability will be compromised. These replacements are under orders to let the Russians see whatever they want.

How foolish the American voter has been...


35 posted on 10/16/2009 6:05:00 AM PDT by surfer
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To: Erik Latranyi

The previous problems may be related, however it looks like Gates has his hands full..

http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/d58edcff9fbd02b0


36 posted on 10/16/2009 6:11:37 AM PDT by luckybogey
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To: gieriscm

ping


37 posted on 10/16/2009 6:14:40 AM PDT by BCR #226 (07/02 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Red Steel

There was a nuclear bomb problem last year. Is this related to that problem, and are they just finally getting around to removing the generals? Or is this something different.


38 posted on 10/16/2009 6:25:37 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Lancey Howard

I’ve got a bad feeling about this


39 posted on 10/16/2009 6:58:56 AM PDT by 4woodenboats
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To: STD
I call BS. There is no "Missile Command."

And, only a liberal bed wetter would use the term "Airwomen."

Besides, what generals have been fired? I read a story about the Wing Commander, Col Ayers, getting the boot.

40 posted on 10/16/2009 7:06:22 AM PDT by TankerKC (No Taxation Without Lubrication)
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To: B-Chan

With all this going on, and with whatever is happening with CERN in Europe, I thought “John Titor” as well.

This is freaking me out. If we DO have a Civil War 2, I may start to suspect that Mr. Titor, whoever he may be, may be right.....


41 posted on 10/16/2009 7:13:21 AM PDT by hoagy62 (Obama: slowly sucking the positive attitude out of the US since 11-4-08)
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To: gunnyg

Thanks.

Here is another story that was connected to that same thread:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/10/air-force-fires-nuke-commander-finally/

I think that you can pretty much read between the lines of this snarky journalism, along with the attached “mushroom cloud” photo, to read all of the “objectivity” that you need to know about this piece.

I am officially worried.


42 posted on 10/16/2009 7:44:22 AM PDT by incredulous joe ("Live Free or Fight")
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To: Red Steel

Bookmark


43 posted on 10/16/2009 7:45:44 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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