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Kansas City Star Defends Sportswriter’s Use of Phony Limbaugh Quotes
adastrum.kansascity.com ^ | 10/15/2009 | Derek Donovan

Posted on 10/16/2009 1:34:23 AM PDT by GVnana

About that Whitlock/Limbaugh spat
Welcome, BigGovernment.com readers. A couple of points:

1. Please read what I actually wrote below, not what the inaccurate headline on Breitbart's BigGovernment.com says I wrote. I am emphatically not The Kansas City Star. I am its readers' representative. Approximately 75 - 80 percent of what I air here and in my column comes from conservatives' critiques of the paper and KansasCity.com. My record is clear throughout my years in this post.

2. I do not "defend" Whitlock's column for FoxSports here. In fact, if you will read the post below, you will see I say that I believe using questionable or false quotes weakens anyone's argument substantially.

(Excerpt) Read more at adastrum.kansascity.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: jasonwhitlock; limbaugh; rushlimbaugh; sourcetitlenoturl; whitlock
And then Derek Donovan goes on to defend Whitlock. (FR headline from BigGovernment.com.)
1 posted on 10/16/2009 1:34:23 AM PDT by GVnana
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To: GVnana
I'm from KC and nobody reads The Star and Whitlock is a joke!!!
2 posted on 10/16/2009 1:42:22 AM PDT by jarofants
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To: GVnana
Here is the email I wrote Whitlock the day he wrote the column. Never got any response...

If Rush is such a bigot, why are the only quotes used to prove it complete lies? The book you attributed the quotes from Rush sources its material to a Media Matters report (Meet the New Rush, Same as the Old Rush, which is available online). However neither of these quotes came from that report. This book put out those quotes and provides no source for these two disturbing quotes. They were made up by a blogger. Shame on you for lynching Rush with false quotes.

3 posted on 10/16/2009 1:47:21 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: GVnana

How do you defend the indefensible?


4 posted on 10/16/2009 2:03:19 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
My record is clear throughout my years in this post.
And if it hadn't been before, it sure is now.
5 posted on 10/16/2009 2:10:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: GVnana

These slanderers are starting to get scared by the thought of lawsuits. Imagine how many lawyers Rush can hire.


6 posted on 10/16/2009 2:29:43 AM PDT by rae4palin
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To: GVnana

when is he going to sue these dorks, that’ll get their attention.


7 posted on 10/16/2009 2:56:22 AM PDT by lmc12
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To: GVnana

I just want Tawana Sharpton and Hymietown Jackson, among others, sued for a billion dollars apiece.


8 posted on 10/16/2009 3:17:01 AM PDT by bustinchops (Teddy ("The Hiccup") Kennedy - the original water-boarder)
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To: lmc12

Hopefully as soon as Rush’s lawyers find the best venue in which to sue, analyze all the facts, prepare the complaint and file.

I think it’s CNN that is already back-pedaling.


9 posted on 10/16/2009 3:19:17 AM PDT by bustinchops (Teddy ("The Hiccup") Kennedy - the original water-boarder)
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To: GVnana

They don’t call it the Kansas City “Red Star” for nothing!


10 posted on 10/16/2009 3:27:01 AM PDT by RU88 (Bow to no man)
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To: GVnana
***This column was not written for or edited by The Star or KansasCity.com, so its content is up to Whitlock and his FoxSports editors.***

He is correct only to the extent that The Star or KansasCity.com didn't write it but they too failed to fact-check what was written.

11 posted on 10/16/2009 3:33:41 AM PDT by tobyhill (The Communist has arrived)
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To: GVnana

Didn’t Dan Rather try this sort of defense?


12 posted on 10/16/2009 4:18:37 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: GVnana

I recall Whitlock being on the right side during past racial controversies. Oh, well.


13 posted on 10/16/2009 4:27:20 AM PDT by nhwingut (The media's love affair with Obama reminds me of a dog humping a telephone pole.)
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To: pnh102
Bingo. This seems to be their defense, i.e. Rather.

Well.. He might not have said it. But he's still divisive so he must be racist. So we couldn't give him the benefit of doubt. But sorry sort of, our bad.
14 posted on 10/16/2009 4:32:33 AM PDT by nhwingut (The media's love affair with Obama reminds me of a dog humping a telephone pole.)
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To: pnh102

“Didn’t Dan Rather try this sort of defense?”

“Courage.”


15 posted on 10/16/2009 4:35:52 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Ayers unimportant? What about Robert KKK Byrd or FALN pardons? DNC -- the terrorism party.)
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To: MeekOneGOP; spectre; Fred Nerks; TigersEye; floriduh voter; MHGinTN; snippy_about_it; ovrtaxt; ...

Rush has a free page open about this [general issue]:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_101409/content/01125112.guest.html

[It won’t be open free forever. He needs a strong war chest.]

Here are the background links Rush provides on that page:
• New York Observer: Rick Sanchez Is CNN’s Teflon Man! - 10.09.2007
http://www.observer.com/2007/rick-sanchez-cnn-s-teflon-man?page=1

• Miami New Times: The Forgotten Man. Eight Months After He Got Hit by Channel 7 Anchorman Rick Sanchez’s Volvo, Jeffrey Smuzinick is Doing Poorly. His Family is Just Plain Doing Poor - 08.07.1991
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/1991-08-07/news/the-forgotten-man

• Sweetness and Light: Sharpton?s Million Dollar Shakedown Racket
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/al-sharptons-big-bucks-extortion-racket

• RedState: Rick Sanchez of CNN Ran Over a Man Then Fled the Scene.
Two Hours Later, Sanchez Was Still Drunk
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/13/rick-sanchez-of-cnn-ran-over-a-man-then-fled-the-scene-two-hours-later-sanchez-was-still-drunk/

• New York Times: Wondering About Opportunity as Vick’s Wait Goes On - 08.08.2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/08/sports/football/08rhoden.html

• New York Post: Rev. Al Sharpton Soaks Up Boycott Bucks - 06.15.2008
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_101409/content/

• New York Times: Jesse Jackson Aims for the Mainstream - 11.29.1987
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/29/magazine/jesse-jackson-aims-for-the-mainstream.html?pagewanted=all

• ABCNews: Jesse Jackson Admits Affair, Illegitimate Child Civil
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=122032&page=1&page=1

Rights Leader Acknowledges Fathering a Child Out of Wedlock - 01.18.2000
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=122032&page=1&page=1

• Salon: Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell - Jake Tapper. 08.17.2000
http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/08/16/jackson/index.html

• NewsBusters: Democrat Congresswoman Bashes Rush Limbaugh on House Floor
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/10/14/democrat-congresswoman-bashes-rush-limbaugh-house-floor


16 posted on 10/16/2009 4:39:45 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Ayers unimportant? What about Robert KKK Byrd or FALN pardons? DNC -- the terrorism party.)
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To: rae4palin

He better not stop at simply driving them out of the business, he better go scorched earth on em and take everything they own and turn em out into the street, penniless.

Too much as gone too far for too long. They want a fight. It’s time someone stood up and taught em what a fight means.


17 posted on 10/16/2009 4:43:57 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: GVnana

Kansas City? I thought it was a St. Louis team Rush was going to buy?


18 posted on 10/16/2009 5:00:16 AM PDT by RoadTest ( But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do)
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To: bustinchops

I would love to see Mark Levin tear into cnn and all the rest of them. Rush ought to really sue the crap out of these people and keep dragging them into court over and over. Judo. Use their strentgh against them.


19 posted on 10/16/2009 5:05:01 AM PDT by Texas resident ( Doing my part to piss off the heathen left.)
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To: Texas resident

Landmark Legal Foundation would be a great source for attorneys. I would love it.


20 posted on 10/16/2009 5:26:30 AM PDT by kempster
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To: GVnana
"if you cite it, you're covered from a standpoint of ethics, if not good judgment."

This statement covers a large percentage of what's wrong with modern "journalism". Many of the smears published by the leftists in the MSM are covered by this clause. It is libel to print a blatantly false statement attributed to the target. However, when you print: "Joe Blow said, "the blatantly false statement", you are protected from libel damages. The next reporter then can say "the newspaper reported "the blatantly false statement". And by the third revolution, it becomes unattributed "news".

21 posted on 10/16/2009 5:55:45 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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To: GVnana
In fact, if you will read the post below, you will see I say that I believe using questionable or false quotes weakens anyone's argument substantially.

The "fake, but accurate" defense.

22 posted on 10/16/2009 5:56:20 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd: ON)
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To: GVnana

The Star was once a respected publication.


23 posted on 10/16/2009 6:33:45 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: NativeNewYorker
The Star was once a respected publication.

Really?

By whom?

I've been a conservative with republican tendencies since 1973 and lived in the KC Star service area for over 5 years and have followed much of the KC Star's stupidity.

I know of no conservative with republican tendencies that could ever recall a time that the KC Star was "respected", other than by a nitwitted birkenstocked liberal.

If you follow them closely, it becomes evident that they are simply a parrot for the Democrat Party and they spend quite a large amount of time in the proximity of the buttocks of the New York Times.

Much of their editorial content borders on absolute hysterics and makes use of hyperbole, in a very transparent attempt to inflame the sensitivities of the mid-westerners that still read it.

The only political support that I can recall the Star giving to a republican figure was their adoring and simpering tributes to Eisenhower, albeit, after he was out of office.

I do recall an editorial (memory fails as to the editor) that excoriated Truman for his decision to drop the bomb on Japan, but that was also about the time that reparations for the Nisei were being tossed around.

They are journalistic whores, but I do admit to reading them on a regular basis, so, one might say that I do support them.

I also read the New York Times.

Observation of the enemy is critical to formulating a plan for defeat.

24 posted on 10/16/2009 6:56:09 AM PDT by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and Obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: nhwingut
I recall Whitlock being on the right side during past racial controversies. Oh, well.

I guess Jason's "back on the porch", a term I had never heard of until last night.

Of course, I had never heard of the term "teabagger" before this year, either.

25 posted on 10/16/2009 7:14:55 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: GVnana

The writer is far too timid in his criticism of Whitlock, but I don’t know that you’re being fair. He questions Whitlock’s judgement for using questionable sources, but notes that all ethics requires is to cite the source, which is true.

Instead of making this into a he-said-she-said, he should criticize Whitlock more vociferously for using such a questionable source.


26 posted on 10/16/2009 7:18:53 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might)
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To: OldSmaj
nitwitted birkenstocked liberal

Ah, so you know about my past. :)

27 posted on 10/16/2009 7:26:13 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: NativeNewYorker
My apologies.

If my criticism of the KC Star came off as a personal criticism of you, it was unintentional, for I have no personal knowledge of you.

I do have a personal knowledge of the KC Star, and I remain, as ever, extremely critical of them.

Also, my congratulations to you for your recovery...not all nitwitted birkenstocked liberals see the light.

It must have been quite a struggle for a Native New Yorker.

All in good humor...some of my best friends have been nitwitted birkenstocked liberals.

28 posted on 10/16/2009 7:54:17 AM PDT by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and Obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: The Old Hoosier

I actually wrote Whitlock a letter last night condemning his use of unsourced quotes to fit his agenda. I gave him some examples in his own work, such as when he threw Sean Taylor under the bus for associating with “unsavory characters”. Taylor was asleep in bed with his wife when he was murdered. What the hell was he supposed to be doing? I hope he reads it, though I doubt he will.


29 posted on 10/16/2009 7:58:00 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman (Everybody says they have a plan, until they get punched in the face. - Mike Tyson)
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To: GVnana

I like Whitlock and I believe he wrote exactly what black athletes believe.

They live in their own little cocoon where facts don’t penetrate the blanket that their handlers keep them in.

In other words, Obama voters.


30 posted on 10/16/2009 7:59:37 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: pnh102
the rather defense? LOL
31 posted on 10/16/2009 8:01:47 AM PDT by tioga (Drip, Drip, Drip.........the ACORNS are falling.)
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To: OldSmaj
my congratulations to you for your recovery...not all nitwitted birkenstocked liberals see the light. It must have been quite a struggle for a Native New Yorker.

One day I had an epiphany, and it was as if a curtain parted.

Now, the hard part is not laughing hysterically as I circulate socially here.

32 posted on 10/16/2009 8:26:13 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: GVnana

Whitlock is an idiot anyway. I haven’t read any of his crap since he took the Chiefs to task for not signing Jeff George when he was a free agent.


33 posted on 10/16/2009 8:29:01 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: The Old Hoosier
all ethics requires is to cite the source, which is true

Any journalist or academic is required by professional eithcs to cite the source. That is true. But what if you cite the source, you know the material is extremely damaging, and you do not make any effort to obtain information from the person harmed?

Somewhere there's a fine point on libel law for that one.

Journalism has relied on the device of "providing both sides" for a long time. It's a shoddy substitute for truth, but it does offer some fairness.

Genunine "ethics" requires something more than "he did it so I can too."

The false quote is born of genuine malice. The reporter's use of it is an act of malice.

He could try a defense along the lines of, "Everyone knows Rush is a racist, so I had no reason to doubt the accuracy," but he would be admitting his own bias.

34 posted on 10/16/2009 5:56:24 PM PDT by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
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To: Texas resident

I would like for him to sue so that he can do discovery on all these people. Expose them through discovery, and win enough to cover attorney’s fees.


35 posted on 10/17/2009 2:29:06 AM PDT by bustinchops (Teddy ("The Hiccup") Kennedy - the original water-boarder)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

http://www.newsmax.com/lowell_ponte/jesse_jackson_fades/2008/07/18/114041.html

“Jesse found work at a local restaurant where, as he later boasted, he would secretly spit in the food of white customers.”


36 posted on 10/17/2009 4:45:18 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Ayers unimportant? What about Robert KKK Byrd or FALN pardons? DNC -- the terrorism party.)
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To: GVnana

Well, isn’t that special. I just tried posting a comment but their server is currently “unable unavailable to process requests”.


37 posted on 10/17/2009 6:39:47 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: nhwingut

[Well.. He might not have said it. But he’s still divisive so he must be racist. So we couldn’t give him the benefit of doubt.]

In other words, conservatism is racism. That seems to be the message from the state run media. This is an all to common narrative coming from this administration and it’s supporters conservatism and any opposition to Obama is racist.


38 posted on 10/17/2009 8:36:06 AM PDT by KansasGirl (I hate the media.)
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To: GVnana

I don’t really see him as defending Whitlock. What I did read was Donovan basically saying that he disagrees with Whitlock’s sources, since they were not checked, and that because he used these questionable sources, his argument was pretty much nil. Another couple of things I noticed as well, was how Donovan mentioned that both Rush and Whitlock are clearly misunderstood by those that criticize them. I’ve seen this to be the case many times when it comes to Rush. I don’t know that much about Whitlock so I can’t really say much on him. I think you’re reading something that really isn’t there, as are several people here.

Donovan isn’t using the “fake but accurate” scam that Rather used. What he’s said is that Whitlock used a type of source that he, himself (Donovan) wouldn’t use. How does that equate to Rather’s “fake but accurate” reporting?


39 posted on 10/26/2009 1:39:29 PM PDT by Hatheos
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To: Hatheos
How does that equate to Rather’s “fake but accurate” reporting?

I don't think I ever said it did. But, I think you could argue that a reporter using that quote without checking the source has malice as a motive.

40 posted on 10/26/2009 7:21:52 PM PDT by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
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To: GVnana

Derek Donovan

"Wouldn't it be nice to be ahead of the curve, instead of behind it?" asked the voice at the other end of my phone line. "The talk shows were already over Van Jones before The Kansas City Star finally said he was gone."

41 posted on 10/26/2009 7:34:45 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Poor Donovan must be suffering paradigm disintegration paralysis.


42 posted on 10/26/2009 7:48:01 PM PDT by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
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To: GVnana
Sorry, GVnana, that wasn't directed at you. I should have been more clear. What I was actually referring to was the idea that another poster seemed to be making the point about Rather.

You point is well taken, just not against Donovan. Derek wasn't defending the sportswriter, what he was defending, as was obvious to me, was what he (Donovan) wrote. He actually mentions that he wouldn't have done what the sportswriter did, ie: use quotes without checking sources. Donovan didn't defend the sportswriter.

43 posted on 10/28/2009 11:56:52 AM PDT by Hatheos
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