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10th person in state dies of swine flu (81 kids dead; if Bush were Prez this'd be front page!)
Baltimore Sun ^ | 10/14/09 | Kelly Brewington

Posted on 10/16/2009 6:23:35 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

A 10th person in Maryland has died of swine flu, state health officials said Tuesday. The person, an adult from Western Maryland, had underlying health problems. As with other deaths related to the H1N1 virus, officials would not release further details.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: 10th; bias; deathtoll; flu; h1n1; influenza; media; outbreak; person; swineflu
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Nationwide, 81 children have died of the swine flu, according to figures released Tuesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Fellow Freepers, I can assure you that if this were happening during the George W. Bush administration, the stories of these deaths would not be mere side stories in newspapers.

We would see profiles of these children and their families on morning talk shows. CNN would be interviewing their parents.

The New York Times would ghoulishly report the latest hospitalization and death counts at the top of their banners, just like Abu Ghraib.

Obama's administration has been a massive FAIL on dealing with this flu epidemic, and it has cost the lives of almost 100 kids--and many adults, too.

And the media largely ignores this failure while helping prop up the notion that Obama has your best interest in mind regarding health care.

1 posted on 10/16/2009 6:23:36 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Get the shot...get the shot...it’s an emergency!!!

Weird....Zero’s kids did not get the shot... Hmmmmm


2 posted on 10/16/2009 6:26:42 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: SoFloFreeper

I don’t think this flu is any more dangerous than the regular flu, but if Bush were still President, or McCain were in office, every flu death would be laid at their doorstep. Not to mention the casualties in Afghanistan.


3 posted on 10/16/2009 6:27:07 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Obama's administration has been a massive FAIL on dealing with this flu epidemic, and it has cost the lives of almost 100 kids--and many adults, too.

I agree completely that the media would have gone the "Bush's fault!" route immediately with this, but, honestly, what would you expect the fedgov to do here? Is this flu even out of proportion to our yearly flu seasons yet?
4 posted on 10/16/2009 6:27:47 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Republic of Texas

You know it. Remember during the ‘04 campaign when they actually blamed Bush’s admin. for the flu shot shortage?? Unreal.


5 posted on 10/16/2009 6:36:11 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Republic of Texas
I don’t think this flu is any more dangerous than the regular flu, but if Bush were still President, or McCain were in office, every flu death would be laid at their doorstep. Not to mention the casualties in Afghanistan.

Thank you.

6 posted on 10/16/2009 6:36:52 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
if Bush were Prez this'd be front page!

You know it. Remeber the flu vaccine shortage a few years back? They blamed Bush for neglecting the elderly.

7 posted on 10/16/2009 6:39:11 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: fr_freak

I don’t EXPECT them to do anything. I EXPECT BO and his pack of losers to be blamed for this just like Bush would be blamed for it.

Good God Almighty, REMEMBER THE MADCOW DISEASE CRAP??

The media milked it over and over and over...and the BIRD FLU, too...trying to link it to a non-caring Bush administration.

The numbers for H1N1 are far worse under BO, but no linkage.

Additionally, the Drive Bys could AT LEAST be saying, “The federal government has been unable to stop the deaths caused by H1N1, yet Obama wants to take over your health care...”

I know this is a bit of a fantasy, thinking the DBM ought to be objective—and that is the purpose of posting the story. :)


8 posted on 10/16/2009 6:40:06 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: TNCMAXQ

There is a shortage now. I’m not that worried, but my kid hasn’t had his flu shot (regular flu) yet because there is a shortage. I’m not getting him the H1N1 flu shot because it hasn’t been tested. I guess this is all Obama’s fault.


9 posted on 10/16/2009 6:40:26 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Here in NM, it is my understanding (haven't found a place to confirm, but I have heard it from more than a few people from different areas) that they are not even swabbing to determine whether or not it is H1N1. Apparently, the motive may be to quell panic.

I don't know anyone who doesn't know someone who has H1N1 (granted, I don't know a ton of folks here). I know three folks personally who may currently have it, but since they are not swabbing to test, no actual confirmation, but symptoms are right.

They are also saying that if you have the flu right now, it is likely H1N1 as the regular flu hasn't shown up yet. Not sure about that, but it is reasonable.

A young child from a local gradeschool died a couple of weeks ago from H1N1. The child apparently was in good physical condition with no other contributing factors.

10 posted on 10/16/2009 6:41:26 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
had underlying health problems

That seems to be true of most of the deaths attributed to the current swine flu outbreak.

I heard a radio news report earlier this week that said 5 had died (Arkansas, IIRC) and they all had underlying health problems.
11 posted on 10/16/2009 6:47:19 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: IYAS9YAS

My daughter is a high school teacher in SC. It will cost her $18. to get a swab and determine what it is if she gets sick. I wonder if it is that way for everyone?


12 posted on 10/16/2009 6:47:28 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: Republic of Texas

Do some reading- there have been reports getting the regular flu shot makes you more vulnerable to getting H1N1!

I’m holding off getting the season flu shot for me- but had already got them for the kids


13 posted on 10/16/2009 6:50:17 AM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: oldironsides
My daughter is a high school teacher in SC. It will cost her $18. to get a swab and determine what it is if she gets sick. I wonder if it is that way for everyone?

Not sure, but I'd pay it. If nothing else, to ensure it gets recorded somewhere. Just to see how widespread and how fast-traveling this bug is.

14 posted on 10/16/2009 6:52:14 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

They are admitting (not loudy) that the 14 yr old who collapsed in her Baltimore school and died in MD had no underlying health conditions-

hope they solve the mystery of what makes certain kids more vulnerable to disastrous side effects


15 posted on 10/16/2009 6:52:27 AM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: TomGuy
and they all had underlying health problems.

It's getting to the point where I'm answering the T.V.; "Yeah, H1N1" when they say underlying health problems...

16 posted on 10/16/2009 6:53:46 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

It’s obviously Bush’s fault. Everything else is. In NM, people are occasionally dying from bubonic plague. Are the H1N1 cases showing up on the reservations?


17 posted on 10/16/2009 6:53:56 AM PDT by ssapro (SSAPRO/ EXBP)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Since most of the deaths from swine flu also had underlying health problems, perhaps swine flu is the bambicare stealth method of reducing the number of unhealthy people.


18 posted on 10/16/2009 6:54:27 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Maybe nuclear winter would cure global warming.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Fellow Freepers, I can assure you that if this were happening during the George W. Bush administration, the stories of these deaths would not be mere side stories in newspapers.

So on one hand we have Freepers saying the story is being underreported as to not cause embarassment to Obama.

And others are saying swine flu is being overhyped as a means for Obama to declare martial law.

In other words, another typical day on the internet.

19 posted on 10/16/2009 6:56:35 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: IYAS9YAS
I see what you see.

The Roswell Daily Record ran a article saying all flu in NM, right now, is H1N1.

I never get sick, if I do its 12 hours of sleep break the fever move on............this thing kicked my butt for 3 days and now 7 days later I am feeling better, my doc said, it is hitting people like me the hardest, good immune systems have the hardest time with it. Strange flu.

20 posted on 10/16/2009 6:58:49 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Kakaze
it is hitting people like me the hardest, good immune systems have the hardest time with it. Strange flu.

That's what happened near in 1918. The virus in 1918 was the Influenza A strain of sub-type H1N1.The healthier you were, the harder you were hit. Apparently, this strain causes the body to severly overreact. The official term is Cytokine Storm

21 posted on 10/16/2009 7:05:30 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: TomGuy
"had underlying health problems"

regardless, they're still dead and H1N1 was a contributing factor.
22 posted on 10/16/2009 7:06:35 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: ssapro
Are the H1N1 cases showing up on the reservations?

Haven't heard for certain, but since they appear to not be actually reporting the number of cases, we may not know.

Like I said, in NM, they are saying if you have the flu, you have H1N1, as the regular seasonal flu isn't here yet.

23 posted on 10/16/2009 7:06:59 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: dirtboy
In other words, another typical day on the internet.

Hah, I'll do ya one better.

I think the actual causes are being underreported to prevent panic right now (you know, cause the detention centers aren't ready yet). However, they want to hype it so folks are on edge. It's a thin line that only our betters, those in the media, know how to walk. Do I get my tin aluminum foil hat yet?

24 posted on 10/16/2009 7:12:39 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: ssapro; IYAS9YAS

Several weeks ago they had to close a school in a small community near Farmington. Pretty sure that would have been reservation area.


25 posted on 10/16/2009 7:14:13 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
Several weeks ago they had to close a school in a small community near Farmington. Pretty sure that would have been reservation area.

Hadn't hear that report. Thanks.

26 posted on 10/16/2009 7:23:05 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Every child's life is precious, please don't misunderstand, but seasonal flu kills on average 36,000 people in this nation every year (if you believe the CDC estimate -- which is just an estimate and may be poorly contrived). By comparison, swine flu just doesn't sound like that big of a deal. Of course the vaccine companies will claim they've saved millions of lives ... just like the Obama administration claims they've saved millions of jobs. But after the swine flu scare of '76 (that never happened), and the vaccine released then that did hurt thousands, I'm dubious.


27 posted on 10/16/2009 7:41:19 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real
Yes. People have vague fears that it will be 1918 all over again and that 20 million people will die of influenza. Well, that sort of massive die-off would start someplace (and not likely in the country with the world's best healthcare). I look out across the globe and I see no indication that millions of people are dying.

This whole thing is a fizzle. No vaccine needed by me, thank you.

28 posted on 10/16/2009 7:44:48 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Actually, since the CDC (a political agenda driven organization of course) hit the “reset” button Sept. 1. So when they say “81” deaths, they mean since Sept 1, not since April when people started dying. THere have been at least 144 child deaths since April, and those are only the ones who are officially tested. Regular flu tests don’t catch swine flu at least 50% of the time, and if a regular flu test isn’t positive, most people are not tested further. Also, after taking Tamiflu, people test negative, even if they still die. THis has happened too.

The numbers of fatatities are way under reported.


29 posted on 10/16/2009 7:59:50 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Officially it’s least 1000 deaths altogether in the US, but that’s still undercouting due to test irregularities and of course they don’t wnat to test. And if the person had health problems, they like to pin the death on that instead of swine flu.


30 posted on 10/16/2009 8:01:05 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: TomGuy

Nows they’re admitting that about half of the deaths were perfectly healthy with no underlyings. And some of these healthy teenagesr and kids die in 2 or 3 days from feeling sick. I’ve read of a few dying in one day.

This flu can cause multiple organ failure including heart attacks, blood clots in lungs, kidney failure, etc. It can have very strange symptoms.


31 posted on 10/16/2009 8:02:55 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: silverleaf

>>They are admitting (not loudy) that the 14 yr old who collapsed in her Baltimore school and died in MD had no underlying health conditions-

hope they solve the mystery of what makes certain kids more vulnerable to disastrous side effects<<

Investigate Vitamin D3 and you’ll find some fascinating information. Not only is is likely to protect against flu, but low levels of vit D3 can also explain the cytokine storm phenomenon mentioned by a poster, as vit D3 helps control the inflammatory nature of the immune response.

Those of you, like myself, who comfort yourselves by saying that it’s not the flu, but the underlying medical condition, that is killing kids need to realize that most of those kids are probably deficient in vitamin D3 as well, given the nature of their conditions.

This is an easy, cheap measure that is highly likely to generate better health even if it isn’t protective against the flu. But regarding flu, I’ve read of 3 reports from physicians who noted that the large populations under their care, all of whom were getting daily doses of vitamin D3, were remarkably resistant to flu that other sub-populations around them were contracting at high rates. One doctor in a practice, for example, maintained her patients’ D3 levels while her partner didn’t bother. She was seeing no flu in her patients when her partner was seeing up to 10 cases a week. The level she was maintaining was 50-80 ng/ml, requiring 2000 to 5000 IU daily, depending on the individual.

I think this is a really big deal and anyone with kids, especially if the child is already compromised in some way, should investigate it.


32 posted on 10/16/2009 8:04:16 AM PDT by Norseman
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To: so_real

The 36,000 fatalities a year is derived (quite recently, mind you) by statistical modelling. 95% of these deaths (whatever they are) are in people over 65. Most of the deaths from swine flu are in children, young people, and middle aged adults.

The pandemic is just starting.

You can say it’s no big thing when it’s over. It ain’t over yet.


33 posted on 10/16/2009 8:05:03 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: IYAS9YAS

There is practically no other flu this year other than swine flu.

Those who study it think there are various strains of it, some more severe and some not so severe. It’s still mutating and there are versions that are Tamiflu resistant. It’s just beginning.


34 posted on 10/16/2009 8:06:27 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: SoFloFreeper

One womans expeience with the flu shot: http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=92345&catid=158

Video on right side.


35 posted on 10/16/2009 8:08:27 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
1) The vaccine does NOT address this strain of the flu. They are totally different. The current vaccine is, at best, completely ineffective.

2) The vaccine version will mutate

3) The non-vaccine version will mutate differently, leaving us with at least 2 totally different strains (neither of which is counteracted by the vaccine).

4) This government never encourages or forces the citizenry to do anything that is in their own best interest. The vaccine push has far more sinister connotations.


36 posted on 10/16/2009 8:22:05 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: little jeremiah

Hey LJ. I'm not making any judgments myself at this time. But I was living in 1976 when the government last put the big swine flu scare into us. And I was living in 1979 when the lawsuits were being settled after the swine flu vaccine devastated many folks who trusted the government and took it. "Trust but Verify" in this country has eroded into "Verify then Trust". I fear we are being scammed once again. Here's a memory refresher : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9mh9f_swine-flu-1976-propaganda_webcam The Lord has made it very clear Pestilence and Death are coming; I just don't trust our government's ability (or motivation) to predict accurately the arrival time.


37 posted on 10/16/2009 8:23:20 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Norseman

I’ve got my kids on 2000IU of VitD3 daily, I’m on 6000IU- we will go higher if anyone starts getting sick

DD school has no reports but other public schools all around us have very high flu rates

Once all the sheep H1N1 flu mist takers start shedding the virus all over the place, it will be everywhere.

Plus I’m on NAC, resveratrol and curcumin and occasional selenium booster. If pig flu comes to my house, I’m going down fighting..!


38 posted on 10/16/2009 9:12:46 AM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: SoFloFreeper
I don’t EXPECT them to do anything. I EXPECT BO and his pack of losers to be blamed for this just like Bush would be blamed for it.

OK. I guess I just misunderstood what you meant earlier.
39 posted on 10/16/2009 10:00:41 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: so_real

I will admit that I have been (obsessively) reading about pandemic flu for the last few years. I also (of course) do not trust the government to have the interest of us ordinary folks in mind.

I will never take any vaccine of any sort - I have allergies or extreme sensitivity to almost every pharaceutical drug I’ve ever had up to and including anaphylactic shock, luckily in a hospital setting, or I would not be sitting here typing.

But I am very, very concerned about this swine flu. If you want to read unvarnished and non-partisan news (people dig it out, actually many of the members on the forum are conservative, the forum policy is no politics), the best site is PFI.

http://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=fe963e77f502fb2c50163d15b76a5284

The moderators are definitely pro-vaccine but the forum is divided. I don’t mind people who are pro-vaccine, but too many people I know have gotten very sick or very bad reactions from even regular flu vaccines.


40 posted on 10/16/2009 10:20:07 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: SoFloFreeper

RIP.


41 posted on 10/16/2009 5:27:05 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Norseman

My kids are all getting a dose of cod liver oil each morning - line ‘em up and spoon it in. High in D3.


42 posted on 10/16/2009 5:37:02 PM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: TomGuy

Think asthma as an underlying condition.


43 posted on 10/16/2009 5:41:03 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Angry about where our country is going with the current regime at the helm.)
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To: Norseman

Is all vit D containg D3?


44 posted on 10/16/2009 5:43:08 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Angry about where our country is going with the current regime at the helm.)
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To: Chickensoup

Someone else wrote: >>My kids are all getting a dose of cod liver oil each morning - line ‘em up and spoon it in. High in D3.<<

You asked: “Does all vit D contain D3?”

Regarding the cod liver oil, yes it’s high in vit D3, but it’s also got way too much vit A which Dr. Cannell at the VitaminDCouncil.org website claims works against the D3. He advocates taking D3 directly and getting Vitamin A from food sources instead. Just thought you’d want to know so you could check on it further.

As for Vitamin D containing D3, actually no. Prescription Vitamin D, as well as the vitamin D used to supplement milk is D2, which is the activated form of D3. As I understand it, many other body organs have receptors for D3 and need it for their purposes. This is where the cancer fighting, flu fighting, etc., goes on, so prescription vitamin D (D2) will not do the job. You want to be taking Vitamin D3, called cholecalciferol to get the benefits the vitamin D advocates are talking about.

People seem to respond differently to vit D3 supplements, so it’s best to get a baseline measurement and then check it again after supplementing for a few months. I check mine twice a year, at the end of the winter to see if I’ve been taking enough daily to maintain (I wasn’t, and increased it this winter) and at the end of the summer to see if I’m getting enough from sunshine to not need supplementing then (I dropped 10 points in spite of being outside a lot, so will now supplement modestly over next summer.)

Most people are not up in the recommended 50-80 ng/ml range and should take extra early on, then look for an appropriate maintenance dose. A good start for a maintenance dose is 1,000 IU per 30 pounds of body weight, according to the D3 advocates, so a 150 pound person should take 5,000 IU during the winter. This is well above the upper limit the Feds recommend (2,000 IU, I believe), so it’s best to do some research before jumping in. I’m taking 8,000 to 10,000 a day for a month or so now to get back up after inadvertently dropping over the summer. Then I’ll go to 5,000 daily and retest in March or April.


45 posted on 10/17/2009 5:46:24 PM PDT by Norseman
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To: SoFloFreeper; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; ...

If it weren’t for price controls advocated by our current SoS, we might have enough H1N1 vaccine. Other than that, the government can stay out of it, as far as I’m concerned. It’s the flu. We’ll get through it like we get through all the other flus.

If you’re sick, stay home. If you have young children or elderly relatives, get the shot.

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


46 posted on 10/17/2009 6:00:46 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Hussein Obama: the country's greatest firearms salesman!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I have some concern about this, but my question has always been:

WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL ABOUT THIS H1N1 FLU?

No-one ever answered that. All we get is “Swine Flu is spreading!” and “we need vaccines!” Nothing explaining why this is worse than any other.

Finally last month a woman here on FR tried to answer me. She claimed to be a nurse or some sort. The gist I got was: H1N1 is highly contagious, but not really bad in itself. The danger becomes mutation with much more dangerous flus - such as Bird Flu - to produce a highly contagious AND powerful flu mutation. IOW, it MIGHT combine with slow Bird Flu to make a super flu.

Then, when my 18mo boy got sick the other week and I took him to his pediatrician, I asked about the H1N1 and told the doc how no-one answers that question. He said it’s mostly hype, and not really much different (i.e., fatal or otherwise devastating) than other flus. He did the general flu check for George, who was declared to have just some cold virus.


47 posted on 10/17/2009 6:56:48 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Does anyone have a list of the common “underlying problems”?


48 posted on 10/17/2009 7:03:42 PM PDT by GOPJ (MSM: ideological flotsam... in the septic tank for the lunatic left.- Breitbart)
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To: GOPJ

My wild guess is going to be asthma. A lot of the cases I’ve read about result in people dying from a secondary respiratory condition like pneumonia. So, it’s possible that some of the “healthy” people have undiagnosed asthma, allergies, or other conditions which predispose them to bad respiratory crap.

All it takes is a common cold for me to end up with bronchitis or pneumonia. After years of dealing this, my doctor diagnosed me with asthma and put me on a maintenance steroid and a rescue inhaler. No respiratory issues since. And I’m amazed at how much better I can breathe in general — I had no idea how bad it was until I found out how good it can be the asthma is under control(if that makes sense).


49 posted on 10/18/2009 3:31:00 PM PDT by cyphergirl ((Not so proud to be in the Freak State))
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