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Entertainment Industry Looks To Force Massive Copyright Changes Int'l (who WRITE the Treaties?)
techdirt.com ^ | 10/01/09 | Mike Masnick

Posted on 10/16/2009 12:17:30 PM PDT by Americaneedsyou

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. Once Again, Entertainment Industry Looks To Force Massive Copyright Changes Via Int'l Treaties from the how-the-game-is-played dept By now you should know that one of the entertainment industry's favorite tools for forcing ever more draconian copyright laws around the world is to use international treaties. Such treaties are not put together by elected officials, but appointed diplomats, often with tremendous input (to the point of allowing them to write the details) from industries that are protected. Then, once those treaties are in place, copyright maximalists just get to sit back and say "but we must make our copyright laws stronger if we ever expect to live up to our international obligations..." The latest such attempt is the infamous ACTA bill, which the entertainment industry has had a heavy hand in crafting -- but the public is told that the treaty negotiations are matters of national security and cannot be revealed. Uh huh.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: america; canada; copyrightlaw; dmca; nations; publicdomain; treaties
Such treaties are not put together by elected officials, but appointed diplomats, often with tremendous input (to the point of allowing them to write the details) from industries that are protected. Then, once those treaties are in place, copyright maximalists just get to sit back and say "but we must make our copyright laws stronger if we ever expect to live up to our international obligations..." The latest such attempt is the infamous ACTA bill, which
1 posted on 10/16/2009 12:17:30 PM PDT by Americaneedsyou
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To: Americaneedsyou

What I want to know is where are the home Blue-Ray DVRs, to replace our decaying DVD recorders?

What gives?

You can record HD on your cameras, but can’t record that quality to your DVDs.

You can’t record shows off on Blue-Ray DVD media either, to expand your library.


2 posted on 10/16/2009 12:21:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: Americaneedsyou

This looks like a Canada issue, not a USA issue.


3 posted on 10/16/2009 12:22:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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Such treaties are not put together by elected officials, but appointed diplomats, often with tremendous input (to the point of allowing them to write the details) from industries that are protected. Then, once those treaties are in place, copyright maximalists just get to sit back and say "but we must make our copyright laws stronger if we ever expect to live up to our international obligations



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4 posted on 10/16/2009 12:25:58 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: djsherin

Bump - another prime example here.


5 posted on 10/16/2009 12:29:19 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Copyfraud ping.


6 posted on 10/16/2009 12:29:41 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: bamahead

Art was better before copyright. Copyright art is lowest common denominator art.

“Free-thinking artists” used to actually be free thinkers, like freepers. Not the mindless leftbots of today.


7 posted on 10/16/2009 12:49:48 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: DoughtyOne
You can record HD on your cameras, but can’t record that quality to your DVDs.

Please explain.

8 posted on 10/16/2009 12:51:07 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
Art was better before copyright.

It was expensive and required great skill to copy. That is no longer true.

9 posted on 10/16/2009 12:52:21 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Is anyone else other than me having problems playing dvds on their laptop. I download a simple playing program and it doesn’t work. I suspect it is the stuff they are putting on the dvds to stop them from being ripped.


10 posted on 10/16/2009 12:55:13 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
This looks like a Canada issue, not a USA issue.

Nope, sadly it's being driven by our own Government. And this isn't even the tip of the iceberg:

See video:
http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topics/obama-passing-new-law-to-allow-1
11 posted on 10/16/2009 1:04:01 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: DoughtyOne

The Blue Ray burners for PC’s are in stores now.
Best Buy has them for about $200.


12 posted on 10/16/2009 1:05:58 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: Carry_Okie

DVD cannot hold true HD quality video (720p and up). It doesn’t have the capacity, and the DVD format itself isn’t capable of the higher resolutions. You have to go Blu Ray for that.


13 posted on 10/16/2009 1:06:59 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: Carry_Okie

There are cameras out there now that will capture video in the 1920 x 1080 format. You still can’t buy a high def recorder to run that off on a normal sized DVD you can place in your Blue Ray unit to play on your television.

I’d like to be able to shoot some high quality stuff, and record it to something I can send out to share with others.

There are some units that you can purchasse to install in your computer. That still doesn’t provide the same timed recordings that we used to be able to make of live television. Yes we can use the in-house (for lack of a better term) high def DVRs, but we can’t make our own DVDs to place on the shelf, for later viewing.


14 posted on 10/16/2009 1:11:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: bamahead
Thx. So is this a matter of formatting in 64-bit? I was just surprised that the DVD could not hold the data, even if it wasn't very much of it.
15 posted on 10/16/2009 1:12:34 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: bamahead

Yes, I’ve seem them as long ago as last year. Do you have a DVD recorder, the replacement for your old video tape machines? That’s the unit I wish they would introduce to the market with Blue-Ray capabilities.

So far, Blue Ray has been a step backwards in one regard. Yes the quality is astounding, but they have stripped our ability to tape or record shows onto a recording medium for long term storage.


16 posted on 10/16/2009 1:15:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: DoughtyOne

You can always downconvert the show for conventional DVD recording, but then it does not look as good when played.


17 posted on 10/16/2009 1:16:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yes, I’ve done that. You are right though, it doesn’t look very good.

It looks quite good when played back on an old analogue television. On an HD set, it’s quite inadequate.


18 posted on 10/16/2009 1:26:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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I've written about this treaty before. Everything about the treaty was kept as secret as possible. Industry had wide representation in the negotiations for the treaty, and not just the movie industry, but software and other companies. Rights groups representing the general public's interest were excluded, FOIA requests for information denied or heavily redacted.

19 posted on 10/16/2009 1:27:06 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Carry_Okie

Not really a bit issue. More due to the way the encoding/decoding of the actual picture stream works in a DVD format vs. BluRay, the wavelength of the laser, etc.

In reading up on it to refresh my memory, there are several sites that suggest you can get HD video on a regular DVD, but it requires some special software and several reencoding steps to get there.


20 posted on 10/16/2009 1:29:30 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: Niuhuru
I suspect it is the stuff they are putting on the dvds to stop them from being ripped.

Handbrake will take care of most DVDs.

21 posted on 10/16/2009 1:29:32 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: bamahead
More due to the way the encoding/decoding of the actual picture stream works in a DVD format vs. BluRay, the wavelength of the laser, etc.

Got it. Thanks.

22 posted on 10/16/2009 1:36:29 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Thanks. I hate Hollywood except when they put out good stuff. It’s completely insane how they put out all this garbage. I’m becoming a foreign film freak now. Bollywood is looking better and better. Have you ever seen “My Faraway/Bollywood Bride?”


23 posted on 10/16/2009 1:38:40 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Americaneedsyou

I somehow doubt that Dick Wagner or Peter Tchaikovsky give a rat’s *** over how much of their music I download...


24 posted on 10/16/2009 1:45:33 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: bamahead

***but the public is told that the treaty negotiations are matters of national security and cannot be revealed.***

LOL

Is there anything that isn’t a matter of national security these days?


25 posted on 10/16/2009 2:06:38 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: wendy1946
rat’s ***

I hold the rights to that phrase . Cease and desist or I will be forced to take steps .

26 posted on 10/16/2009 2:09:09 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F/8 Cav)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
Art was better before copyright.

That's because then the standard for judging art was beauty. Now it's just uniqueness.

27 posted on 10/16/2009 2:28:45 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Carry_Okie
This is all approximate, and most-common:

DVD:
Data Capacity: 8 GB (dual-layer)
Video encoding: MPEG-2
Max video quality: 9.8 Mb/s (most commonly 2-3 Mb/s with bursts to 6 Mb/s)
Max video size: 720 × 480 at 60 Hz (interlaced, IIRC)
Audio encoding: AC3 or DTS
Max audio quality: 24-bits/96 kHz lossy compressed standard, somewhat higher optional
Maximum video length: Less than two hours at maximum quality and resolution.

Blu-ray
Data Capacity: 50 GB (dual-layer)
Video encoding: MPEG-4 AVC
Max video quality: 40 Mb/s (commonly 20-30 Mb/s with bursts to 40 Mb/s)
Max video size: 1920×1080 at 24 Hz progressive (60 Hz interlaced)
Audio encoding: Many, including uncompressed HD audio at 8 Mb/s
Max audio quality: 24-bits/96 kHz lossless (no audio degradation due to compression) standard, up to 192 kHz optional.
Maximum video length: Over two hours at maximum quality and resolution.

Remember, the video encoding in Blu-ray is much more efficient, so you get better quality per-bit too, in addition to having a higher overall bitrate.

28 posted on 10/16/2009 2:59:47 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Max video size: 1920×1080 at 24 Hz progressive (60 Hz interlaced)

Good data, but 24 Hz frame rate interlaced at 60 Hz??? How does that work?

Lol, back to 24 fps, just like the good old, OLD days. :-)

Do you know how they dealt with the flicker at that rate back then? They flashed the image twice with a rotating shutter to preclude the persistence on the retina. The guy who thought of that was a genius.

29 posted on 10/16/2009 3:04:46 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: bamahead
Not True, there is a format called "3x DVD" which was a subset of the HD-DVD standard that could support approximately 100 minutes of 1080P encoded with the VC1 codec.

Physically the "3x DVD" is a on ordinary DVD, I believe the Blu-ray equivalent is called BD9.

Sadly these HD formats which were to find there way into dvd recorders were much too practical and consumer friendly to be allowed to live by the entertainment industry. Can't let Jack and Diane permanently record 24 in HD now can we...

30 posted on 10/16/2009 4:35:17 PM PDT by WalterSobchak2012
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To: Carry_Okie
Good data, but 24 Hz frame rate interlaced at 60 Hz??? How does that work?

The source can be 60 Hz interlaced or 24 Hz progressive.

24fps is perfect because that's what movies are filmed at. From source to Blu-ray without any messing about with telecine and odd frame duplication. A 120 Hz TV can do 24, 30 and 60 fps all without having to put odd numbers of frames. Quite a good picture when you go that route.

31 posted on 10/16/2009 5:22:30 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: djsherin
Is there anything that isn’t a matter of national security these days?

Yes, I just love how "national security" gives them more power to surveil you, yet gives you LESS to do so to them.

32 posted on 10/16/2009 7:00:58 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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