Posted on 10/17/2009 12:35:42 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen
Selene Raynor, a Philadelphia High School for Girls graduate and an aspiring dentist enrolled at West Chester University, didn't care what anybody thought of her. --snip-- Hart has been charged with murdering Raynor, first-degree murder of her unborn child, and related offenses. Police are tracing the origin of the weapon.
Clark said last night that the fatal shooting followed "an argument that was in reference to the pregnancy." He declined to discuss whether Hart was the father.
(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...
Only the mother has the “right” to kill her unborn child.
first degree????
...he wont fry in philadelphia
Or maybe if the boyfriend was a “doctor” or an intern, then it would be okay?
It’s an upside down world.
That’s the Lacy Peterson law whatever the name is. Remember it was signed into law under Bush when Scott Peterson killed Lacy with her pregnant?
That is why I always questioned how we can have that law but abortion is not considered murder.
Bush Signs ‘Laci and Conner’s Law’
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115825,00.html
WASHINGTON — President Bush on Thursday signed into law a bill that would make it a separate crime to kill or harm an unborn child during an assault on the mother.
“As of today, the law of our nation will acknowledge the plain fact that crimes of violence against a pregnant woman often have two victims,” Bush said before the signing of the measure.
“The death of an innocent unborn child has too often been treated as a detail in one crime but not a crime in itself,” the president said.
The Unborn Victims of Violence Act (search) makes it a crime to harm a fetus during an assault on a pregnant woman. Bush signed the bill, which took five years to get through Congress, in an elaborate Rose Garden ceremony.
Remember, consistancy of rules or laws just simply isn’t an issue with leftists.
It’s their goals that matter.
And, from a strictly humanist viewpoint, if the woman wanted the baby, then it’s a baby, and killing it is murder. If she doesn’t, then it’s not a baby, and killing it is a “reproductive choice”.
Humanists and Satanists only differ in the degree of whom they think they are working for.
gubmint don’t like competition in the slaughter of unborn babies...
Hmmmmm, in one instance a baby is a “fetus” and another instance the “fetus” is a baby. Am not sure what the difference is (sarc).
Don’t you worry ... The One will overturn the “Lacy Peterson Law” by Executive Order.
11 years ago the niece of a close friend of mine was murdered, by her husband, 3 days before she was scheduled to give birth by cesarean. Had he not covered up her body it is believed the baby would have survived. Unfortunately, at that time, Delaware did not have such a law and so he wasn’t charged with the 2 murders. My friend worked very hard to get such a law enacted in Delaware and she succeeded before the Peterson law was signed by Pres. Bush.
B-bb-bbb-but what if she changes her mind at the last moment and wants it 'aborted'?? Then what ???
They only acknowledge the unborn when they are charging someone with murder. Hmmm, I could never quite figure that out....
I didn't know there was a federal murder statute. Usually the Fed's get the vapors about someones "civil rights" and surely murder deprives a person of his civil rights. If they've added murder to the list of Federal crimes it's more evidence of Federalization creeping into what historically has been a State function. If the States don't push back and soon they will wake up one morning and find they have been "Federalized" out of business.
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GtG
All your tax revenues are belong to US!
signed,
BBMFIC
The Obama Man Can!
So anyone except the mother and abortion doctor can be charged with the murder of a “fetus”? Sounds like a violation of the 14th amendment.
I hear you on states soverignty. Maybe the states could have appealled the decision.
If the Nazi Pelochio VAT tax passes, states are doomed.
MrB, I have had this discussion @ another website and the lefties never had a answer. They had insults but no answers.
It always goes back to, you want women to have abortions in alleys.
Liberals feel whatever a woman wants to do with her body, casual sex, prostitution,is okay with them. And if they get caught, then the taxpayers should make “IT” the ecotumor go away. No responsibility for their actions.
So mothers are allowed to do abortions and fathers are not in the libtard world.
What a sad story - on account of both the young woman and the baby.
"Life begins with a mother's choice" -- Gen. Wesley Clark.
Yes, he really said that.
I guess it was not above his pay grade..
Here is another great example of the down the rabbit hole insanity that abortion “law” is. A few years ago in Chicago, a married manager of a fast food resturant was charged with the murder of his girlfriend and her unborn child. It seems that he knocked her up, and she came to extort him for hush money, part of which was to go for an abortion. He killed her because he didn’t want to pay the dough for it.
While the murder charges for the girlfriend are easy to understand, I was struck as to how there was almost no discussion of the fact that he got charged for achieving precisely the same objective for the child that the “mother” was seeking and that she would have been entirely free of legal consequence for by having the deed performed by a medical hitman.
Aside from the grave moral implications, abortion law is also the greatest insult to logic and linear reasoning that was ever perpetrated by man or Supreme Court justice!!!
bflr
They don't all take that oath any more - my S-I-L's class voted not to (she voted for) and took another oath with no reference to abortion. Another doctor in the family swore her with the real oath later.
You're right!
I forgot about that. I recall posting the OLD oath and the NEW oath. The “new” oath sounds more like conforminty to an insurance policy. Truly a sad state of affairs.
Classic Version of the Hippocratic Oath
I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:
To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.
I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.
I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.
Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.
What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.
If I fulfill this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.
A Modern Version of the Hippocratic Oath
I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.
I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of over treatment and therapeutic nihilism.
I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.
I will not be ashamed to say “I know not,” nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patients recovery.
I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.
I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.
I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.
There is a world of difference between the “class” and “modern” oath. The modern oath reflects out downward spiral towards human life and has a narcissistic twist to it.
Classic Version of the Hippocratic Oath
I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:
To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.
I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.
I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.
Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.
What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.
If I fulfill this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.
A Modern Version of the Hippocratic Oath
I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.
I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of over treatment and therapeutic nihilism.
I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.
I will not be ashamed to say “I know not,” nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patients recovery.
I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.
I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.
I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.
There is a world of difference between the “class” and “modern” oath. The modern oath reflects out downward spiral towards human life and has a narcissistic twist to it.
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