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The Unknown War: The defeat of communism 20 years ago was the most liberating moment in history...
Reason ^ | November 2009 | Matt Welch

Posted on 10/17/2009 1:58:43 PM PDT by neverdem

The defeat of communism 20 years ago was the most liberating moment in history. So why don't we talk about it more?

On August 23, 1989, officials from the newly reformed and soon-to-be-renamed Communist Party of Hungary ceased policing the country's militarized border with Austria. Some 13,000 East Germans, many of whom had been vacationing at nearby Lake Balaton, fled across the frontier to the free world. It was the largest breach of the Iron Curtain in a generation, and it kicked off a remarkable chain of events that ended 11 weeks later with the righteous citizen dismantling of the Berlin Wall...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: anniversary; berlinwall; coldwar; communism; eastgermany; reaganlegacy; ussr
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1 posted on 10/17/2009 1:58:43 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

....but no Nobel Peace Prize to the most deserving soul.


2 posted on 10/17/2009 2:01:49 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: neverdem

That’s one way to look at it. On the other hand, it seems more and more like the “defeat” of communism helped defang it and make it more attractive to many. With that barrier removed, those with communist sympathies were free to hijack other movements, like the Environmentalist cause. It seems like the communists have a lot more influence here in the West now than they could ever have achieved during the Cold War.


3 posted on 10/17/2009 2:04:15 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: neverdem

I’m sorry but anyone who thinks communism was defeated
has not been paying attention.


4 posted on 10/17/2009 2:06:31 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: neverdem

Now we have to defeat it again in this country in our own so-called “Democratic” party. The Soviet Union fell, but now we have a Soviet party to deal with in this country.


5 posted on 10/17/2009 2:07:24 PM PDT by VRWCRick
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To: rbg81; Parley Baer

I dare say that our electing a Communist - not Socialist - to POTUS, the once greatest superpower in the world, is proof Communism is not defeated. Several items on Obama’s agenda are way past Socialism.


6 posted on 10/17/2009 2:08:37 PM PDT by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: Parley Baer

The Nobel “Peace” Prize is awarded by commies who define “peace” by the Soviet definition: an absence of resistance to the spread of communism.
Why would they award anything to Reagan who defeated communism?


7 posted on 10/17/2009 2:08:59 PM PDT by Little Ray (Obama is a kamikaze president aimed at the heart of this Republic.)
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To: neverdem

bookmark.


8 posted on 10/17/2009 2:09:22 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: VRWCRick

See post # 6. I totally agree. We have a Communist POTUS.


9 posted on 10/17/2009 2:09:55 PM PDT by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: neverdem
Does anyone have a good history of those few months around the Fall of the Berlin Wall? By now historians should have had time to go through the papers and decision making process of the Eastern European governments during that last year about why they let the people go free instead of machine gunning them at the border as they would have before.
10 posted on 10/17/2009 2:11:07 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Soon everyone will win a Nobel Peace Prize for not being George Bush...well, except for George Bush.)
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To: neverdem

Defeat of Communism? That’s exactly what we have in the US White House today!


11 posted on 10/17/2009 2:12:07 PM PDT by EDINVA (Obama CAN'T see the Olympics from his back porch !)
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To: neverdem
Ironically, the one consistent lesson U.S. officials claim to have learned about the Cold War is the one that has the least applicability outside the East Bloc: that aggressive and even violent confrontation with evil regimes will lead to various springtimes for democracy. It is telling that the victors of an epic economic and spiritual struggle take away conclusions that are primarily military. Telling, and tragic.
It's generally a good article but this last paragraph is extremely confusing.

If anyone feels like taking the effort of a much-needed re-write...

12 posted on 10/17/2009 2:12:40 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: neverdem
So why don't we talk about it more?

Because the victor of the Cold War has an "(R)" after his name.

13 posted on 10/17/2009 2:12:50 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: neverdem

I understand zero is going to go to the 20th anniversary of the wall coming down. I wonder how he will manage to take credit for it. I also wonder if Mrs zero will take her fleet of aircraft over a few days early to get in a little shopping.


14 posted on 10/17/2009 2:12:53 PM PDT by taillightchaser (When a democrat says "The American people" you know the next words out of his mouth will be lies.)
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To: tet68

Evil’s final day is when Jesus returns. The Bible is telling us the truth.


15 posted on 10/17/2009 2:15:06 PM PDT by bmwcyle (We need more Joe Wilson's. OBAMA is ACORN ACORN is OBAMA)
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To: neverdem

” The defeat of communism 20 years ago was the most liberating moment in history...”

It wasn’t defeated; it moved headquarters to Washington.


16 posted on 10/17/2009 2:17:37 PM PDT by RoadTest ( But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do)
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To: tet68

I agree. It was a liberating event, but our victory was absolutely squandered. 20 years later, and we’re living in an era that might reasonably be called The Totalitarian Moment.


17 posted on 10/17/2009 2:23:56 PM PDT by upstanding
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To: tet68
"I’m sorry but anyone who thinks communism was defeated has not been paying attention."

I couldn't agree more.

18 posted on 10/17/2009 2:25:57 PM PDT by VR-21 (There was a rush, along the Fulham Road....)
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To: neverdem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIeics8jHUY

Part 1 of 14 on “The Bloody History of Communism.”


19 posted on 10/17/2009 2:31:17 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( If you have kids, you have no right of privacy that the govt can't flick off your shoulder.)
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To: upstanding

If communism was defeated why isn’t china a free democratic
republic now? We have been infiltrated since the early thirties to the point where American political philosophy
has no meaning except in the hearts of a few who remember
it as it was.
It has gotten to the point that Marxists sit in the very
seat of power.


20 posted on 10/17/2009 2:31:42 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: neverdem

It isn’t defeated yet! They just changed tactics!


21 posted on 10/17/2009 2:33:24 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: neverdem

22 posted on 10/17/2009 2:34:57 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Thanks for the link.


23 posted on 10/17/2009 2:38:17 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: tet68
I’m sorry but anyone who thinks communism was defeated has not been paying attention.

Unfortunately it has come up through the sewers of DC and has reemerged in the White House and Capital Building. Remember when they talked so much about the "Peace Dividend"? Funds which had been used to fight the cold war were probably redirected to fund programs which addicted people to the socialist idea. We should have never let down our guard.

24 posted on 10/17/2009 2:46:11 PM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of cat attacks while typing!)
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To: samtheman

I reread it three times and am still confused.


25 posted on 10/17/2009 2:55:59 PM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of cat attacks while typing!)
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To: neverdem

Not only are communists running Washington but the Chinese communists also hold most of our debt (Thanks, Bushes) so they can shut down our economy any time they want to.


26 posted on 10/17/2009 3:03:47 PM PDT by OrangeHoof ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Bend over suckahs".)
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To: DBCJR

Barack promised “fundamentally transforming” the U.S.A., and clearly he intends to act in accordance with his basic personal philosophical precepts. Frank Davis would have been, and Wm. Ayers will be so proud.


27 posted on 10/17/2009 3:29:41 PM PDT by Elsiejay (.)
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To: neverdem

What makes you think that it was defeated? Have you been watching the ObamaNation in Washington lately?


28 posted on 10/17/2009 3:32:47 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: All

Bookmarked


29 posted on 10/17/2009 3:38:04 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Woodrow Wilson should have been waterboarded.)
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To: upstanding

“I agree. It was a liberating event, but our victory was absolutely squandered. 20 years later, and we’re living in an era that might reasonably be called The Totalitarian Moment.”

I think this nails it. Communism (as a global, militaristic and agressively nationalistic force) WAS defeated — trounced, in fact. The West did the same thing to Islam in the First Crusade. But, just like the First Crusade, after victory, instead of going for the jugular the West just lost interest and went about it’s self indulgent way and allowed it’s enemies to transmogrify and grow. Just like we have seen the emergence of a resurgent Islam, Communism survived, bided it’s time and found other ways to plot their revenge and our demise. All that time and all that effort and all that money and all those lives — wasted. What our enemies could not defeat from without, they have patiently watched rot and have infliltrated from within.


30 posted on 10/17/2009 3:51:43 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: neverdem

the most liberating moment in history happened approximately 2000 years ago


31 posted on 10/17/2009 3:56:27 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: tet68; RoadTest; VR-21
The defeat of communism 20 years ago was the most liberating moment in history.

And clowns like you three can only make snarky comments when your country is responsible for the liberation of millions. It is a unique skill. Congratulations.

32 posted on 10/17/2009 4:01:39 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Understand Natural Law and understand our Declaration of Independence & Constitution.)
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To: All; 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

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Precisely what can happen again right HERE:

Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

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http://www.JourneyFromTheFall.com

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33 posted on 10/17/2009 4:05:08 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for posting. It reminds me that there is no paid up dues card for freedom. To think that twenty years ago the Communist empire dissolved and in America now we are close to jumping into Socialism!


34 posted on 10/17/2009 4:22:08 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: All; fidelis; Anita1; freema; fatima

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35 posted on 10/17/2009 4:25:29 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Jacquerie; RoadTest; tet68

20 years ago the collapse of Soviet Union occurred, and Eastern Bloc countries were freed from them, but that doesn’t mean that the ideology has been defeated. There are still very sizeable human populations living under communist governments, and the ideology has been making considerable inroads in Latin America. There’s even been one (so far) self-proclaimed communist found serving in the current executive branch of our own government. I guess you’ve just got a broader definition of the word ‘defeated’ than we clowns do.


36 posted on 10/17/2009 4:34:56 PM PDT by VR-21 (There was a rush, along the Fulham Road....)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

37 posted on 10/17/2009 5:09:32 PM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: OrangeHoof
Not only are communists running Washington but the Chinese communists also hold most of our debt (Thanks, Bushes) so they can shut down our economy any time they want to.

IMHO, I don't think the money hungry Chicoms will do anything to devalue their investments in the U.S. How is that in their interest?

38 posted on 10/17/2009 5:51:34 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem; rbg81; tet68; DBCJR

“The Unknown War: The defeat of communism 20 years ago was the most liberating moment in history...”

And who will defeat communism HERE a few years from now?


39 posted on 10/17/2009 7:44:02 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: aquila48
And who will defeat communism HERE a few years from now?


40 posted on 10/17/2009 7:47:23 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Jacquerie
OK, I've read your profile, you seem like an intelligent
Conservative person, what is it about communism you don't
understand? What makes you think Communism was defeated?
What snarky comments are you referring to?
41 posted on 10/17/2009 10:00:21 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

And what makes you think those millions will still
remain free once the US is converted to a socialist
system?


42 posted on 10/17/2009 10:03:33 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Parley Baer
....but no Nobel Peace Prize to the most deserving soul.

I would not want the memory of my beloved President Reagan sullied with that bogus award!
43 posted on 10/18/2009 2:48:42 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Refugee from the World of Doomed Olsens)
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To: tet68; VR-21
There's an entire tribe of clowns at FR who race to post their inane comments before reading the material.

Had you two taken the time to read and comprehend, you may have noticed that the column deals with liberation, rejection of communism in eastern Europe and how the momentous events are ignored in the country largely responsible for liberation.

Oh, and the article closes with comments regarding the fight for economic freedom and capitalism is no longer lead by the United States in the form of President Obama.

Lead by the United States, the West cut off the head of world communism. Communism is no longer exported as a matter of policy by the world's second most powerful country.

Your earlier comment insulted the memory of a Nation which gave hundreds of billions in treasure and tens of thousands of lives to fight and defeat Soviet barbarism.

What is it about our great victory over world communism 20 years ago you don't understand?

44 posted on 10/18/2009 3:29:46 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Understand Natural Law and understand our Declaration of Independence & Constitution.)
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To: Jacquerie

Great victory? Don’t make me laugh, it makes me
hurt too much. For some reason you refuse to
admit that our own government has been infiltrated
by communists, our communities by socialist organizations.
I honor all those who have sacrificed in the struggle to
overcome that evil ideology but make no mistake,
that struggle is not over!


45 posted on 10/18/2009 3:42:01 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

GOOD STICKER!!!!!


46 posted on 10/18/2009 4:59:13 AM PDT by RoadTest ( But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do)
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To: Jacquerie

“your country is responsible for the liberation of millions.”

Not really. What you saw as liberation is the first step in the enslavement of the world. Can’t you see the signs? Obama dismantling freedom and prosperity brick by brick, selling us on the world market; KGB-inspired slogans being chanted at Sheriff Arpeo?

Open your eyes! It’s happening all around you.


47 posted on 10/18/2009 5:06:27 AM PDT by RoadTest ( But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do)
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To: VR-21

“There’s even been one (so far) self-proclaimed communist found serving in the current executive branch of our own government.”

Self proclaimed. Yes. What does proclamation have to do with anything? The whole federal government is Marxist-Leninist now. The rest of them are just covering their perfidy with euphemisms like “Progressive”.

The important thing is that the tenets and goals of Lenin are being enacted here in America the beautiful, right now, in its government in Washington, DC .


48 posted on 10/18/2009 5:12:13 AM PDT by RoadTest ( But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do)
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To: neverdem

What defeat of communism?


49 posted on 10/18/2009 5:12:56 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Anti-Bubba182
there is no paid up dues card for freedom.

Great post, but who will tell the children?

50 posted on 10/18/2009 5:26:27 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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