Skip to comments.GOOD FOR YOU. However, you're really not getting it!
Posted on 10/18/2009 2:57:43 AM PDT by A Navy Vet
Good luck with your demonstrations. What good did the 9/12 hundreds of thousands do on the footsteps of the Capitol? The media ignored it! You're representatives ignored it! There was little talk about it in the neighborhoods. It went mostly un-noticed. And here we are still facing the obambicare takeover, which in some form will probably become law.
And now, the demonstrations on the doorsteps of the MSM outlets will also be ignored. Do really think that the Washington Post, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, et al, really give one ounce about what you think? They have their socialists who still buy their rags.
Yes, some of the MSM are going to die anyway simply because of the Internet and talk radio, but they will go out fighting with a "bleeding heart" on their sleeves, while promoting everything for everyone, which all socialist institutions desire.
Even if the biased MSM were to be gone tomorrow, the Marxists in our Fedgov are still going to push through obamacare and cap&tax and continue to destroy our economy and meld us into their New World Order. It's been a long time coming. Personally, I've never been into conspiracies, but this one is obvious.
You folks are really are not getting what's happening here. We are in the fight of our lives for our standard-of-living, and the basic concepts of our original societal compact which meant FREEDOM from government intrusion and to pursue our inherent rights.
What are you going to do once you see that your "protests" don't mean squat? What? More gatherings with signs?
I so hope and wish I'm wrong. I will gladly apologize to every TEA Party participant if I'm wrong. I said that before, but unfortunately I was correct. The TEA Parties have had no affect on the Marxists in DC. Did you really think they would? They are moving forward with their socialist/Marxist agenda.
We need different efforts. What are they? Use your imagination, providing you still have that right! I've given you all ideas, but you ignored them.
Yes, I'm the "negative" guy on this forum who doesn't wave flags anymore. Been there long time ago, and done that way before many of you even heard of Free Republic.
Live in bondish or die free.
Prune juice. Breakfast of champions.
Don’t be either stupid or criminal.
WE ALL GET IT.
No one wants to be the cause of Obama declaring martial law and executing millions. The person who does that is playing right into the Marxist’s hands.
So, it is a 100 year play-by-the-rules fight back or you're talking bloodshed. The constitution's fall will not be rectified after a few election cycles.
Forget DC, forget their district offices, show up across the street from their house (or where ever is legal - down the street maybe) and give them notice.
Give them the same crap they give you in your every day life. Don't be violent; don't be loud; just stand there every time they are at home. You have the right, as long as you adhere to law.
Make their lives as miserable as they do ours, within lawful limits! Think about it. DC ignores every day protests.
It's time to take it to the next level.
yep. Next step is rewriting the USA out of the history books. By the time my kids have kids, it'll be remembered as a war mongering, proof of the failures of an inherently evil scourge called capitalism. The textbooks will say little kids had to sell matchbooks on the corners to survive, while we built bombs and killed innocent brown people. And no one will be the wiser.
Fine. You can wave a sign, "Obama is Bad". That's done a lot of good. You really think obambi could get away with Martial Law? Don't bother to answer...I don't care any longer.
This is satire, right?
OK, maybe a little dramatic and many steps in between but I have zero doubt it is the course we are on.
Thanks for that intellectual reply. BTW, I eat bran every morning...I’m good, thanks.
Navy Vet is right. The Left routinely visits the houses of Congressmen to push its policy agenda. You can trace an important cause of the subprime fiasco to busloads of ghetto residents showing up in a fancy Texas suburb to pressure for passage of Community Reinvestment Act.
The Lord is slow to anger,and great in power,and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm,and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
It may seem the Devil is in the drivers seat now,but he will not win the race.
Someone out country that gets it. Good for you. Yes, it started many decades ago. What a shame, huh? The Nation that showed the World how things could work has become un-workable.
"So, it is a 100 year play-by-the-rules fight back or you're talking bloodshed. The constitution's fall will not be rectified after a few election cycles."
I suspect that "election cycles" as they exist now, won't rectify our problems. That's why another one of my suggestions has always been TERM LIMITS! Professional politicians are the bane of every free society. Incumbency promotes power; power promotes authoritarianism, which promotes evil actions.
Thank you for understanding. May I ask what country you live in?
"No one wants to be the cause of Obama declaring martial law and executing millions. The person who does that is playing right into the Marxists hands."
So we should just go quietly into the good night? Is that our lot? BTW, if you read my article closely, I didn't suggest anything "criminal".
I simply suggest another tack, rather than hanging around DC that sees such large or semi-large demonstrations on a weekly basis. The PTB and MSM ignores them...always have (unless they're about a favorite cause of the MSM), always will be.
If you don't like my suggestion, which was not about "criminal", please give me a suggestion that will impact our representatives in a positive way. If not, I have an entire list I can give you that could have a positive outcome on DC intrusion on our lives. I've listed it here before, but no one (because of GOP party affiliation) wanted to consider. Poor me...har!
the tea parties derailed the Health Care Bills
terrified moderate Dems in Congress
the 9/12 event in D.C. chased the Present out of town
it was HUGH
yes, it really was
At least they are out doing something not just sitting on their ass whining via their keyboard.
I’ll try to repeat a reply I made to a Canadian Free Press article a short time ago:
If congress members are allowed to continue commuting to and from Washington to work their evil, Obama’s dictatorship will become permanent. If congress members who are flouting the will of their constituents are arrested, incarcerated, and impeached or prosecuted for malfeasence in their states and districts, the march to Marxism will come to a screeching halt. Less than half of congress needs to be immobilized, and local law can do it.
Of course it was noticed, but with all due respect, I was on the streets back in 1998 to help Impeach Clinton. What happened? He was impeached by the House (partially due to FR efforts), but the Senate didn't have a trial because of political reasons. They didn't even bother to read the documents that should have found a guilty verdict and kicked clinton out of office. Things have only got worse since.
Please don't try to parse that history. I was at the forefront of the effort and know every detail. Best.
We get it. However, the only Constitutionally sanctioned action which will change the situation is voting. Unless you vote in qualified conservative candidates outside the political establishment, the slide towards socialism cannot be stopped. We have to stop splitting the vote between Republican and Libertarian or Constitution Party. The Democrats won in our conservative district last election because of this vote splitting and they will continue to do so unless a majority can rally in support of one candidate against them.
If our nation is spared a tragic decline into poverty and slavery, it will have to come from the “inside,” because determined dictators will not stop..They are drunk on the idea of total power..I believe at this moment there are people inside the government and the media who realize what is going on and perhaps we would be surprised at who some of them are. I believe they will begin to oppose at some point. Too many of our leaders do not understand our Constitution or the price we paid for freedom, but something will hit their own doorstep and make them fear for the future just as we do. Then, they will discover their courage.
First of all, many sympathize and understand your frustration, fear and loath for what is going on. But, when we allow fear and hatred to rule we lose sight of what is really happening.
The Tea Parties have had a historic affect, we do not have Universal Health care. The democrats want to pass it, they have the super majority to pass it, but they don’t have the votes within their own party. This is because millions of brave Americans have loudly but peacefully voiced their dissent. Do you think we would be at this cross roads in mid October if it were not for the Tea Party protests? We would have had this horrible takeover of our health care industry long ago had there been no impact.
Getting people out there to protest is an important part of building a strong movement, which the Tea Party movement is. I cannot think of any movement that has grown so fast so large in our modern history. Back to the civil rights movement.
I think it is likely that there will be a civil war within a few short years. This is not something any of us wish for, but there are millions who are Americans, not just by birth but by ideology and we will live free. However, I would much rather put every effort into protesting and election campaigning now that simply give up hope. We can win peacefully, we MUST win peacefully...so let’s be determined and energetic and win the hearts and minds of our fellow citizens. Let’s make change from the municipal level up. Let’s get involved in the school boards, let’s take over the Republican party and make dang sure that conservatives are running for office and let’s work to help get them elected.
Sad part about what you write is the Marxist plan for and count on this reasoning.
Really? You think that's what I'm about? You don't want to discuss the merits of my article? You'd really rather insult me?
My bona fides are easily verified on this board. I haven't been around for quite awhile, but I and others who are long gone were instrumental in getting clinton impeached. I spent my own money to fly myself and an assistant to DC to orchestrate the very first FR event called, "The March for Justice".
I was also the first (maybe second to Gene McDonald - toss up) as the original FR street activist, back in early 1998 to stop the Chi-Com company (COSCO) from taking over the closed Long Beach Naval Station. I was directly involved with the Mayor of Long Beach, a anti-Chi-Com organization, and talked with Sen Inhofe's office on a daily basis. We won that one.
After, I was involved in many street protests regarding other political matters, bullhorn and all. I also produced the "With Love and Affection" slideshow dedicated to our troops prior to the Iraq war that is still promoted on FR.
Since then, I have been the Chairman of VetsCoR (see side panel) and Neil E. Wright and I spent our own money to go to various gatherings to promote Veterans for Constitutional Restoration (VetsCoR).
I also joined the original Minutemen and drove out to Tombstone, AZ to help them enforce the border.
So before you give me the keyboard commando title, you may want to check your facts and give me just a little slack.
Sorry, I haven't done much of late, but I've been on the streets before most even heard of this site. Plus, I dedicated 11 years of my life to Navy service. I've done my part, so don't give me any of that "what have you done for me lately?" crap.
All that "look at me" stuff aside, I'm now trying to suggest alternatives to what is not working. Forget my story, and just look at what I suggest. Fair?
I think this mentality is a mistake. Tell me this, do you wait until we are all out of jobs and waiting in line for healthcare while they tell you parents they are too old and left to die before you rise up? Why, we wouldn't want to give them an excuse for martial law would we?
They are coming for us already in many different ways. They are hoping we won't rise up and we are playing into their hands.
Perhaps it will take the first person to make a move for the rest of us to follow. I admit I am not that person, not yet, but I am ready when the rest of you are.
What is this post about? I don't get it.
Now, strictly speaking, quitting tax payment is a criminal act. One could also call it retaliatory, defensive, or patriotic. The key is whether you actually believe there is a "war" against the citizenry. If you think it isn't, if you think your overlords are legitimate representatives and leaders, then you have the Sam Adams blessing. May your chains rest lightly.
Navy Vet has not advocated lawbreaking, nor do I -- certainly not in JimRob's parlor -- but please recall that there would not be a United States of America if our forefathers had not vigorously broken the law.
I tend to be pessimistic, however. I don't think enough Americans have any starch left in their pants (which they dropped long ago). Not enough will ever make good on their frequent "molon labe" crowings. Not enough will resist, or even cease to pay the tyrant-enabling taxes (which all alone would suffice to stop the govt cold). Most are far too timid to jaywalk, never mind overthrow a tyranny. If 0bamacare passes, over 99% will meekly adjust because once the time for talking is over, it's just time for bending over so they can implant the chip in your sheeple ass.
The full Adams goes:"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
The way we effect change in our democratic republic is through the vote. Problem is, we’re outnumbered.
So the solution is to increase our numbers. How? By each of us doing everything we can to convince those within our respective spheres of influence. Talk, write, blog, cajole, joke, protest, whatever... do whatever you can to convince others. Especially the young and ignorant.
Heck, I was a young ignorant liberal Democrat 40 years ago. I learned. So will they. I hope.
I love you.
I never get any either.
Your call to arms to lay out action is appropriate.
And we do have a legal solution to end this, but we need a political base for cover and action. The Founders laid out the necessary action to take 250 years ago - take over local governments.
Run for your council seat, volunteer for the zoning commission, back a constitutionalist for sheriff. Conservatives have been AWOL from local government for years.
The formula is very simple - the head (central government) cannot operate without the body (local governments). Local governments can sabotage, ignore and nullify dictates from Washington. The federal government doesn’t have the manpower and resources to put out a thousand brushfires. If it puts out one fire, ten more can flame up 2,000 miles away.
It took the Founders 25 years to build up a political base to take on the British Crown. We have started to organize with the tea parties, which is good. From here we start to choose grassroots leaders and plan action. These leaders can naturally grow from local grassroots political bodies.
Study your state laws. “Home rule” states have provisions for immediately removing local elected officials via petition followed by a special election.
Study your state open meetings law. It allows for the nullification of local ordinances. It allows citizens to file cause to fine and jail local elected officials for violating the open meetings law. Ditto fascist bureaucrats. The law allows you to collect legal fees, paid for by the politician you prosecute. And believe me, liberals constantly hold secret and illegal meeetings.
There are many paths we can travel to gather political strength.
Don’t waste your time responding to “mnJohnnie”. After he whines about your rant he will go on thread after thread whining some more about how stupid everyone but him is.
It gets me.
But you'll need a duly stamped permit.
I’d love you back but 0bama has ruined that line for the rest of us.
If nothing else conservatives are getting used to mass action. It is not something we have done well in the past given that conservatives tend to work for a living and don’t get paid for demonstrating or transported on someone else’s dime. It is a good thing.
I’d love you back but I prefer to love you front.
I have two words in reply to everybody on here.
The politicians noticed but declined comment. The media noticed, but didn't report it.
The politicians know the voters were not on the sidelines. For every demonstrator, there are 100 that did not demonstrate, and there were millions. As a result the politicians are quaking in their boots.
The white house noticed and responded by pushing to get bills through congress before the 2010 election. Because there own internal polls tell them they are going to lose seats big time. At every turn Obama has alienated his supporters.
Time will tell who is correct!
I’d pull a train on that.
Preparedness is key, find those around who have ears to hear, food, water, ammunition and plan for the strangest, most dire circumstance that would require self protection.
The economy will fail(global), the muzzies will murder on American soil, nations that hate us will undermine our country. Soon.
Practice to keep cool when all around you are in a panic.
That is the time we take our country back, or die trying.
This shows how important the media are. Obama was elected in the media before the November 4th, 2009 Presidential election.
The Left, by controlling 90%of the media, control what people see and hear. That’s virtual reality, and it’s been shown to be good enough to take over reality.
How did the people get conditioned to believe the media? Why, by the National Education Association, of course, back when they were children.
Now we find out.
Two words,plan and prepare. All politics is local.
Plan close to home, be ready. The storm approaches.
The Tea parties didn't work either, because polite political gatherings don't make anyone uncomfortable or generate much news. I'm not sure you will ever get law abiding citizens to do the things necessary “in the streets” to get the attention of pols & the MSM. Violence & civil disobedience are evil to good citizens.
The ONLY way I believe these peaceful Tea Parties COULD be successful is if they are MASSIVE & CONTINUOUS. Very hard to do, given most of the protesters are responsible people with jobs & families to attend to.
I recall the race & anti-war riots of the 60s & 70s. The vast majority of the rioters were young people, likely without a job or family responsibilities. These people had little to lose if they were arrested. They knew it & so did their adversaries, giving them an advantage. Arresting & convicting a multitude of rioters on a daily basis becomes a burden over time. This, & their numbers proved decisive in abolishing segregation, ending the LBJ presidency, & forcing the US withdrawal from SE Asia.
The Tea parties will never rise to this level of energy or determination, until it is way too late.
OTOH, the protests at the town hall meetings seemed to get a lot of attention. People like the idea of asking the pols hard questions & demanding straight answers, something the MSM avoids doing. IMO, we have got to get in their faces & stay there until they listen or leave office.
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