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The Assassination of Deputy Abel Escalante
LA Weekly ^ | Oct. 14, 2009 | Christine Pelisek

Posted on 10/18/2009 8:31:32 PM PDT by AtlasStalled

The Avenues gang and Mexican Mafia may have assassinated Los Angeles County Deputy Abel Escalante as "payback for the spectacular LAPD shootout on Drew Street in June 2008 that forced the closure of local streets, caused the evacuation of two nearby public schools — and left AK-47–wielding menace Danny 'Clever' Leon bloodied and dead in the street":

Deputy Escalante had nothing to do with LAPD’s killing of Leon last year. The 27-year-old officer most likely heard about it on the news, like everyone else. But, federal prosecutors believe, Escalante died for it. Seeking revenge, the dead man’s friends months later went looking for a cop who would be an easy target at his home. Escalante was killed because he was convenient. The scenario suggests a new level of chaos in the area’s streets. As LAPD Captain Bill Murphy, of the Northeast Division, says, "It's a different breed of gangs. Not a lot are out there, shooting at and killing cops. That's when it gets way out of control."

(Excerpt) Read more at laweekly.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: amnesty; borderslanguage; culture; immigration; mexicanmafia; mexico; narcoterror

1 posted on 10/18/2009 8:31:32 PM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled
That which we have all feared has now begun.

The disgusting corruption and grisly terrorism that is Mexico will now grip what was once the best part of America, Southern California.

May the filth that let this happen rot in Hell for what they have done.

2 posted on 10/18/2009 8:39:07 PM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property....)
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To: Regulator
Not a lot are out there, shooting at and killing cops. That's when it gets way out of control.

So now that cops are getting killed, they recognize it as a problem!

3 posted on 10/18/2009 8:42:53 PM PDT by packrat35 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.- M Thatcher)
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To: AtlasStalled

These Mexican gangland bozos don’t realize this is America, where cops and prosecutors actually work for a living, where law enforcement isn’t a no show job and where mayors actually lose elections if the mayhem gets too far out of hand. This is why Mafiosos don’t kill cops in America, not because they like cops, but because they realize it will cause law enforcement to spend all their time targeting them specifically. And unlike Mexico, California has a death penalty.


4 posted on 10/18/2009 8:45:29 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: packrat35

My cynical side agrees with you. Maybe if these gangs bagged a few politicians, something would get done.


5 posted on 10/18/2009 8:47:31 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: AtlasStalled

They all need to be shot on sight. These punks don’t deserve to live.....:(


6 posted on 10/18/2009 8:48:28 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Dawgreg

No need to worry, they will all be given citizenship, health care, and voting rights. Problem solved~


7 posted on 10/18/2009 8:52:46 PM PDT by chris37
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To: AtlasStalled
The hardest part about a story like this is, the insanity displayed by the killers cannot be legally retaliated against.

The argument goes; "If we just go out and start taking out gang members, we become just like them."

Here's what I'm beginning to deal with in my thought processes ...

I read a story that angers or frustrates me, acedemically my mind starts formulating thoughts ... why?. what can I do? what can be done? ... and a ton of etcetera's.

Of course I'm so many thousands of miles away, and I'm too old, and I wouldn't get anywhere near ... (another ton of etcetera's)

And 5 min., an hour, whatever goes by, my mind has been occupied with a lot of thought, some decisions/conclusionsx have been made ... but nothing has been corrected.

OK, for any of you shrinkified freepers ... is there a subliminal pressure building?

Can this be something that we can identify politically?

The left does weirder shit every day and nothing seems to be done about stopping them.

I'm still thinking about all this, but I'd like to have some feedback.

Yes I'm logged in, I've eaten all the cheese I can handle, I'm filming a series piece of my sister showering with a moose, and with my beeber on stune and my head firmly wrapped in tinfoill ....

This article pisses me off, and I'm even more pissed of I can do nothing about it.

8 posted on 10/18/2009 8:53:21 PM PDT by knarf
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To: Zhang Fei
And unlike Mexico, California has a death penalty.

Ah yes, the dreaded ole California death penalty. More like seldom seen Slim.

9 posted on 10/18/2009 9:05:19 PM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: umgud
Ah yes, the dreaded ole California death penalty. More like seldom seen Slim.

Scott Peterson got the death penalty. Cop killers in California generally get the death penalty, unless San Francisco prosecutors are involved.

10 posted on 10/18/2009 9:14:37 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: packrat35

my very first thought also.


11 posted on 10/18/2009 9:24:00 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: AtlasStalled

Maybe Obama can have a beer with the gang bangers?


12 posted on 10/18/2009 9:27:52 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Hear us, O Bama: Mmm, mmm, mmm.)
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To: Zhang Fei

” And unlike Mexico, California has a death penalty.

Only for US citizens, not Mexican citizens. We don’t execute THEIR citizens.


13 posted on 10/18/2009 9:30:52 PM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: Zhang Fei

A superior court judge in Los Angeles last week sentenced a cop killer to the death penalty: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/10/police-killer-sentenced.html


14 posted on 10/18/2009 9:31:01 PM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: Zhang Fei
Scott Peterson got the death penalty. Cop killers in California generally get the death penalty, unless San Francisco prosecutors are involved.

Scott Peterson is still with us and only 13 people have been executed in CA since 1976.

15 posted on 10/18/2009 9:36:28 PM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: knarf
"If we just go out and start taking out gang members, we become just like them."

No. The taking of lives in defense of society, in defense of our homes, wives and daughters is legitimate.

The gangs have no legitimacy outside of the warped minds of the members and enablers.

16 posted on 10/18/2009 9:36:40 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Brave amateurs....they do their part.)
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To: AuntB
Only for US citizens, not Mexican citizens. We don’t execute THEIR citizens.

An anti-death penalty website has 31 Mexican citizens on California's death row:

The order by the ICJ in the case brought by Mexico affects more than 50 Mexican citizens, 31 of whom are on California's death row at San Quentin.

17 posted on 10/18/2009 9:48:23 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: BenLurkin
"No. The taking of lives in defense of society, in defense of our homes, wives and daughters is legitimate. The gangs have no legitimacy outside of the warped minds of the members and enablers."

Good points, I like them, thanks

18 posted on 10/18/2009 9:51:12 PM PDT by knarf
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To: chris37

They probably already have that......gawd, what is it gonna take to make people see these vermin need to be put out of “our” misery????


19 posted on 10/19/2009 4:48:40 AM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Zhang Fei
where law enforcement isn’t a no show job and where mayors actually lose elections if the mayhem gets too far out of hand

Uh-huh.

What is happening in California is also something which was predictable: Mexicans being inserted into positions of power within the police.

This is the inevitable result of Affirmative Action for the descendants of Spanish Conquistadors...and Aztec cannibals.

Some people might find that mean to say, but...truth hurts.

I could personalize this by listing the names of Police Chiefs and other "officials" all over California. But that would be counterproductive until one of them gets nailed for corruption. Which they will, because that's the "rich" culture they come from. And it endures, no matter how long they stay here...because they live within their own ethnic space, interacting only when necessary.

These are police who see no evil, hear no evil. All around them, illegal aliens go about their daily business of occupation and takeover undisturbed. But they do nothing: the illegals are their people, and will not be arrested. Or deported, because you don't deport your cousin.

So the police in California are now the criminals themselves. I guarantee you that all of them have relatives who are Mexican Mafia: family cultures are like that, and virtually all Mexican families are involved in the business of smuggling something or supporting it.

And so the assumption that our police forces are Untouchable and Not Corrupt like Mexico is becoming not true....because Mexicans are coming to dominate those forces, by the action of federal law.

Think I'm kidding? Check out the recruiting websites for the California Highway Patrol or any of the CA city police forces. They talk about nothing but "diversity".

Salinas is now a war zone and everyone admits it. How did it get that way? Simple - a corrupt and violent subculture moved in and became dominant because no one would do anything and if they did, protests & riots & lawsuits were staged to stop them.

California is done. The moron foreigner we elected Governor just signed a law restricting ammunition sales at the insistence of the Mexican government (really), and the effect of that will be this: the real citizens won't be allowed to fight back. And the cops won't either, because they're the bad guys relatives.

Just like Mexico.

20 posted on 10/19/2009 8:26:34 AM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property....)
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To: Zhang Fei

The point I’m trying to make is Mexico will not extradite a murderer to the US IF we charge the death penalty. We more often than not waive it, and even Bush has come to Mexican Murderers defense against the death penalty.

[snip]None of those extradited faces the death penalty, but they could receive life prison sentences if convicted. Mexico does not have capital punishment and will not extradite people unless U.S. prosecutors agree not to seek the death penalty.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jan/24/1n24extra232054-ex-cartel-members-appear-sd-court/


21 posted on 10/20/2009 10:51:22 AM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: AuntB
The point I’m trying to make is Mexico will not extradite a murderer to the US IF we charge the death penalty. We more often than not waive it, and even Bush has come to Mexican Murderers defense against the death penalty.

I hear where you're coming from. The reality, though, is (based on the abolitionist article) we do put Mexican citizens captured domestically on Death Row, and that California has almost 60% of all Mexican Death Row inmates in the entire US of A. So it's clear that while some are getting away with their capital crimes by fleeing to Mexico, not everyone is. Mexico's problem is compounded by prison breaks - 22 of which had occurred for 2009 by the end of May. (In Mexico, escaping from prison is not a crime, and no time is added on for prison breaks if the prisoners are recaptured).

22 posted on 10/20/2009 5:39:49 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Regulator
Salinas is now a war zone and everyone admits it. How did it get that way? Simple - a corrupt and violent subculture moved in and became dominant because no one would do anything and if they did, protests & riots & lawsuits were staged to stop them.

The crime-free Salinas of yore is obviously history. But, on the brighter side, the violence appears to have flattened out. Here are the numbers from City Data:

Crime in Salinas by Year

Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Murders 12 18 15 20 19 17 7 7 14
    per 100,000 9.7 14.2 9.7 12.8 12.6 11.4 4.7 4.7 9.6
Rapes 60 62 56 59 57 69 43 45 51
    per 100,000 48.7 49.1 36.4 37.7 37.9 46.1 28.8 30.5 35.1
Robberies 346 448 399 367 399 452 335 383 378
    per 100,000 280.8 354.7 259.3 234.3 265.5 302.3 224.6 259.2 260.2
Assaults 737 734 799 692 725 678 645 683 711
    per 100,000 598.0 581.1 519.3 441.9 482.4 453.4 432.4 462.3 489.5
Burglaries 729 808 843 757 837 918 935 907 1,205
    per 100,000 591.5 639.7 547.9 483.4 556.9 613.9 626.8 613.9 829.6
Thefts 3,764 3,760 4,102 4,013 5,163 4,549 4,339 3,718 3,332
    per 100,000 3054.3 2976.7 2665.9 2562.4 3435.0 3041.9 2908.8 2516.4 2294.0
Auto thefts 650 627 765 926 1,415 1,297 1,504 1,398 2,341
    per 100,000 527.4 496.4 497.2 591.3 941.4 867.3 1008.3 946.2 1611.7
Arson 31 63 53 58 51 37 35 29 37
    per 100,000 25.2 49.9 34.4 37.0 33.9 24.7 23.5 19.6 25.5
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 320.9) 468.0 493.9 415.0 398.0 483.4 475.0 427.2 423.4 502.1


23 posted on 10/20/2009 5:52:25 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Zhang Fei
Note that this stops in 2007.

The fun has been increasing of late. Morning news showing streets literally with blood running on them...and our dear, dear CongressNitWit, Sammy "I luv the UN" Farr blubbering that "it takes a village" to stop this carnage (he actually said that).

Personally, I think we should just send in the 1st Marine Division and retake the town for the United States.

24 posted on 10/20/2009 6:18:35 PM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property....)
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To: Regulator
The fun has been increasing of late. Morning news showing streets literally with blood running on them.

24 dead so far this year, compared to 25 in all of 2008. Quite a swing up from 14 in 2007.

25 posted on 10/20/2009 6:27:53 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: BenLurkin
"If we just go out and start taking out gang members, we become just like them."

No. The taking of lives in defense of society, in defense of our homes, wives and daughters is legitimate.

The gangs have no legitimacy outside of the warped minds of the members and enablers.

In the 1930s they shot down people like Dillenger, Baby face Nelson, Pretty Boy Floyd, Bonnie and Clyde and others on sight. There was no warning, no negotiations, just shooting them down in the streets like the dogs they were. They didn't have no knock warrants, they didn't break into the wrong homes and shoot people's dogs and kill innocents. The caught the people they were after out in the open and simply shot them. Bank robbery and the indiscriminate killing of innocent bystanders by the robbers in the 1930s came to a screeching halt after that. They were still faced with Prohibition but legalizing booze took care of that.

Two ways to stop this sh** in the states(not just in CA). One: Name the worse gangs and put them on a list. Outlaw them and say that their members will be shot on sight, and then do it. Use roving police patrols to accomplish this. Two: Legalize most drugs, including MJ and cocaine, this will take the money out of it for the gangs and end this crap in a hurry.

Using both these methods quickly and mercilessly would stop this crap right now.

26 posted on 10/20/2009 9:47:46 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

In Northern Minnesota you can legally hunt feral dogs. Even house dogs with collars that only run with the pack once in awhile. Just sayin.


27 posted on 10/20/2009 9:55:51 PM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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