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National Review (The Corner) ^ | 10/18/2009 | Jay Nordlinger

Posted on 10/19/2009 8:11:52 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross

The White House communications director, Anita Dunn, contrasted Fox News with CNN: Fox News is just a Republican opinion outlet, she said, while CNN is a real news network. Of Fox, she said, “Let’s not pretend that they’re a news network, the way CNN is.” She said this on CNN, of course. (In the 1990s, conservatives used to refer to it as “the Clinton News Network.”)

I got to thinking. Fox has some opinionists, such as O’Reilly and Beck. Fox also has news anchormen and correspondents.

CNN has those, too. One of the CNN anchors is Anderson Cooper — he’s their star, as I understand it. The hurricane guy. When the “tea party” protests got going earlier this year, Cooper interviewed David Gergen. Gergen said, “They [Republicans and conservatives] still haven’t found their voice, Anderson. This happens to a minority party after it’s lost a couple of bad elections, but they’re searching for their voice.”

Then Cooper said, “It’s hard to talk when you’re teabagging.” He said this smirkingly.

(snip)

P.P.S. Another CNN anchorman, Rick Sanchez, spread racist quotations allegedly from Rush Limbaugh. These quotes were fabrications, meant to damage Limbaugh. Do Fox anchormen engage in slander and defamation?

P.P.P.S. Anita Dunn tried to pass off her tribute to Mao as something she once heard from Lee Atwater. Has Lee Atwater become the Democrats’ standard — the arbiter of Democratic discourse? What an interesting turn of events.

(Excerpt) Read more at corner.nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cnn; dunn; fox; nordlinger
Jay Nordlinger at NRO weighs in on the 0bama/Anita Dunn war on Fox with some pointed observations of the CNN anchors and their snarky bias.
1 posted on 10/19/2009 8:11:53 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
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To: Servant of the Cross
Fox News is just a Republican opinion outlet Ummm, Republican? Like McCain and Lindsey Lo-graham? Fox would never stoop that low....
2 posted on 10/19/2009 8:14:27 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: Servant of the Cross
How soon they forget...

CNN's Susan Roesgen Confronts Tea Party Protester Who Calls Obama 'Fascist' (Video)
3 posted on 10/19/2009 8:15:08 AM PDT by Dallas59 (No To O)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The biggest and most imrpessive difference between CNN and Fox News is the number of viewers. That’s what matters in the news business. Also, Obama’s administration wouldn’t be going on the attack if Fox News was weak and effete.


4 posted on 10/19/2009 8:16:59 AM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Good for Jay Nordlinger! Perhaps the Administration's naive and shortsighted "calling out" of Fox will open up an honest debate about specific instances where the alphabet networks, CNN, and print media have been less than objective for years.

Typically, the Left ignores unintended consequences of its positions and policies, and this may be one time when it benefits the country and exposes the ignorance of the novices who display either a lack understanding of freedom or a deliberate effort to silence dissent.

Thomas Jefferson, who was often attacked by the press of his day, spoke out strongly in defense of freedom of the press. His passion, of course, was defending liberty, not government control, unlike that of the current Congress and Administration.

These are only a few of his remarks on that subject:

"The press [is] the only tocsin of a nation. [When it] is completely silenced... all means of a general effort [are] taken away." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, Nov 29, 1802. (*) ME 10:341

"Since truth and reason have maintained their ground against false opinions in league with false facts, the press confined to truth needs no other legal restraint. The public judgment will correct false reasonings and opinions on a full hearing of all parties, and no other definite line can be drawn between the inestimable liberty of the press and its demoralizing licentiousness. If there be still improprieties which this rule would not restrain, its supplement must be sought in the censorship of public opinion." --Thomas Jefferson: 2nd Inaugural Address, 1805. ME 3:381

"The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves, nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe." --Thomas Jefferson to Charles Yancey, 1816. ME 14:384

"Our liberty cannot be guarded but by the freedom of the press, nor that be limited without danger of losing it." --Thomas Jefferson to John Jay, 1786.

And, finally, but by no means the entirety of Jefferson's thoughts on the need for freedom of the press, no matter how critical its views:

"No experiment can be more interesting than that we are now trying, and which we trust will end in establishing the fact, that man may be governed by reason and truth. Our first object should therefore be, to leave open to him all the avenues to truth. The most effectual hitherto found, is the freedom of the press. It is, therefore, the first shut up by those who fear the investigation of their actions."(Underlining added for emphasis) --Thomas Jefferson to John Tyler, 1804. ME 11:33

5 posted on 10/19/2009 8:18:37 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Servant of the Cross
Cooper would be the one to know that's ‘it's hard to talk when you're teabagging’. Disgusting Leftist.
6 posted on 10/19/2009 8:19:04 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Servant of the Cross

Lets face it. CNN and NBC are the worst anti-American left wing bunch of scum there is. I, in my 70 years, have never seen or heard such lies as CNN and NBC do every day as told to them by the left wing anti-Americans and it is not just the Administration but the big time billionaires who control their propaganda broadcasts.


7 posted on 10/19/2009 8:19:49 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (I will always be a Soldier)
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To: BertWheeler

I believe cnn viewership us under-reported in these polls. Cnn is the overwhelming network of choice for public places where people gather: airports, hotel lobbies, office building lobbies, etc. Are these viewers captured?


8 posted on 10/19/2009 8:36:29 AM PDT by fire4effect
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To: fire4effect

I think (hope) you are joking. Clearly, this viewership is NONvoluntary (so it shouldn’t count).


9 posted on 10/19/2009 8:42:20 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Let's not pretend that they’re a news network, the way CNN is

Another thing to be thankful for...

10 posted on 10/19/2009 8:44:11 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: fire4effect
Are these viewers captured?

Captured viewers don't count.

Which is how I feel when waiting for a plane & being forced to watch CNN's sh*t.

11 posted on 10/19/2009 8:46:27 AM PDT by skeeter (Pterocarya fraxinifolia)
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To: fire4effect

I’m glad you pointed that out. The reason CNN is the “overwhelming” network of choice for public places is the intolerance of lefties and democrats. Do conservatives ever whine because CNN is on? No. Do lefties? You betcha. Lefties make so many complaints in a public viewing place that the owners or operators just go ahead and put on CNN or some sports channel.

You’re point highlights the left’s INTOLERANCE.


12 posted on 10/19/2009 8:50:09 AM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: BertWheeler

Hey,Rick,kill anyone lately?


13 posted on 10/19/2009 9:00:02 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: fire4effect
"I believe cnn viewership us under-reported in these polls. Cnn is the overwhelming network of choice for public places where people gather: airports, hotel lobbies, office building lobbies, etc. Are these viewers captured?"

Are you for real? How in hell can you count as viewers people who are simply in the area of a TV tuned to a certain station? According to your way of thinking, I can turn my set to FOX, face it out the window on Madison Ave and count every single person who walks by as a viewer.

Lay off the sauce so early in the morning.

14 posted on 10/19/2009 9:12:23 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: Servant of the Cross

And don’t forget the mental midget Wolf Blitzer. Watching him report on the 2004 election returns (the last time I watched CNN) was hysterical-he clung to the hope of a Kerry victory right up to Kerry’s concession. It was pathetic.


15 posted on 10/19/2009 9:22:44 AM PDT by Spok
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To: YOUGOTIT
I agree. Try watching the NBC weeknight news (5:30 Central time) with Brian Williams. It is unnerving to see how much is “reporting” and how much is the insertion of the opinions of the reporters and/or the network, even when Brian Williams is not on the show. Every item “reported” is done with a slant to the left.
16 posted on 10/19/2009 9:55:26 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: fire4effect

I stayed in two Holiday Inn Express hotels last summer that had Fox News on in the lobby. Not only that, but Fox News was also the default TV Station in the rooms. I thought that was pretty cool. As far as airports are concerned, the sound is usually muted or you can’t hear it. Also, I’ve noticed that very few people pay attention to CNN on the TV screens in airports.


17 posted on 10/19/2009 9:58:18 AM PDT by rwa265 (Christ my Cornerstone)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Besmirching Lee Atwater is another Democrap trick-—

Go after a guy how is no longer alive and cannot defend himself.

Lowest of the low...This woman needs to be removed.


18 posted on 10/19/2009 10:21:48 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

Has anyone verified the “Atwater” attribution yet?


19 posted on 10/19/2009 10:48:07 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( If you have kids, you have no right of privacy that the govt can't flick off your shoulder.)
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To: Dr. Ursus

What you talking about, Willis?


20 posted on 10/19/2009 12:02:49 PM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: BertWheeler
Rick Sanchez hit-and-run DUI.
21 posted on 10/19/2009 12:46:21 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: BertWheeler

The story is on wikipedia in a sanitized version.


22 posted on 10/20/2009 5:18:55 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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