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Ignore Fox: Obama's right. It's time to stop taking the network's skewed news seriously
Slate ^ | October 17, 2009 | Jacob Weisberg

Posted on 10/19/2009 9:50:31 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Last week, when White House communications director Anita Dunn charged the Fox News Channel with right-wing bias, Fox responded the way it always does. It denied the accusation with a straight face while proceeding to confirm it with its coverage.

Take a look at Fox's own Web story on the episode. It begins by quoting a Fox News senior vice president named Michael Clemente, who says: "It's astounding the White House cannot distinguish between news and opinion programming. It seems self-serving on their part." Then it quotes David Gergen, the gravelly voice of Washington's conventional wisdom, who says the attack diminishes President Obama and works to Fox's benefit. Then we hear from Tony Blankley, Newt Gingrich's former press secretary and a frequent Fox contributor, who agrees that criticizing Fox makes no sense: "Fox has an audience of not just conservatives. They've got liberals and moderates who watch too." Then a White House correspondent for Politico echoes the claim that the controversy will boost Fox's ratings. Then comes an old quote from Fox anchor Chris Wallace, who calls Obama's team "the biggest bunch of crybabies I have dealt with in my 30 years in Washington." Then the story's anonymous author cites a joke Obama made at the White House Correspondents Dinner as evidence "that Fox News has gotten under his skin." Finally, the piece cites a Pew study that suggested that while Fox was equally negative about John McCain and Obama during the last six weeks of the 2008 campaign, CNN was more negative about McCain.(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agenda; bho44; foxnews; glennbeck; jourbalism; journalism; junknews; liberalfascism; obama; slate; waronfox
So Fox News is to blame for Keith Olbermann?! Hahahaha! I hope Jacob lives in California, where his obvious marijuana addiction is at least legal!
1 posted on 10/19/2009 9:50:33 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Partisan Liberal Media gets angry, very angry, when challenged. In their minds, they have a right to tell the rest of us what to think without interference.


2 posted on 10/19/2009 9:54:18 AM PDT by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In an article titled "Ignore FOX", the author then goes on to use FOX as a news source...

LOL...morons

3 posted on 10/19/2009 9:54:31 AM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These brainless attacks on Fox have got to stop. What’s with this Democrat who wrote this article? Can’t he respect another opinion? Can he possibly be anything else but a Democrat and liberal who voted for Obama? So why should I take him seriously?

All of the other so-called “news” programs reflect a liberal bias. Why is Fox the only bad actor in the whole bunch?


4 posted on 10/19/2009 9:55:21 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think Jacob bites his pillow.


5 posted on 10/19/2009 9:55:24 AM PDT by Ann Archy (ABORTION.......the HUMAN SACRIFICE to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does Fox News still call Palestinian terrorists “Homicide Bombers?” I love that....calling them suicide bombers is skewing the intent of the action.


6 posted on 10/19/2009 9:55:40 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here’s the part that is most difficult to swallow. The “false stories have not been identified, have not been adressed, no specifics noted. It seems to me, that at some point, some specific example would emerge....there hasn’t been any. That is why people side with FOX News ( lies yet to be proven) vs. Obama Administration ( lies proven every day, many, many very specific lies, too many to count). It doesn’t take a genius to figure this one out.


7 posted on 10/19/2009 9:56:57 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have a small question for the Left Wing media’s relentless attempts to push Communism. Do they think they will be part of the “elite” when the State becomes a dictatorship?

Where is Liberal “heaven”?


8 posted on 10/19/2009 9:57:47 AM PDT by wac3rd (Felipe Calderon supports the public option.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Slate just wants more company down in ignored news outlet hell.


9 posted on 10/19/2009 9:57:52 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Their argument across the board is - We don’t like the messenger, so you all should ignore the message.
I can’t figure out if these guys really buy into what they’re saying or if they are just the “bullies” that CNN accuses Rush of being.


10 posted on 10/19/2009 9:58:51 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jacob:

Moe mindless “my brother is bigger than your brother” crap.

Instead, why don’t you explain to us how bad Glenn Beck is because he played tapes of Anita whats her name bragging that her inspiration is Mao and Glenn asking the question “Why are people like Anita” in the White House (or is it the Red House?).

Then you might explain why Glenn is bad because he showed a tape of Lloyd speaking of how much he admires Chavez and the manner in which Chavez handled the media when he was being criticized in public by his opponents.

And there are a few other questions when you have time.


11 posted on 10/19/2009 9:58:59 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pravda would be proud.


12 posted on 10/19/2009 9:59:54 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: popdonnelly

They want the old days of walter and dan lying to us because thats the way it is


13 posted on 10/19/2009 10:00:08 AM PDT by italianquaker (“Every inch of this Administration is rife with corruption and cronyism.” --- Michelle Malkin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anita Dunnage was right: FOX news really IS biased.

They report facts, and the arena of factual reality is exclusively held by conservatives. ABCNBCCBSCNNMSNBC will never understand, because their tiny liberal minds can only process the irrational, the fabricated, and the wishful thinking that makes up liberal reality.


14 posted on 10/19/2009 10:00:14 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jacob Weisberg (born 1964) is an American political journalist, serving as editor-in-chief of Slate Group, a division of The Washington Post Company, and a columnist for the Financial Times. He served as the editor of Slate magazine for six years, until stepping down in June 2008.[1] He is the son of Lois Weisberg, a Chicago social activist and connector celebrated in Malcolm Gladwell’s book The Tipping Point. Weisberg’s father, Bernard Weisberg, was a prominent Chicago lawyer and, later, judge. His parents were introduced at a cocktail party by novelist Ralph Ellison.

Weisberg is a frequent commentator on National Public Radio and also writes a weekly column for the Financial Times. He previously worked for The New Republic in Washington, D.C., was a contributing writer for The New York Times Magazine and a contributing editor to Vanity Fair. Early in his career, he worked for Newsweek in the London and Washington bureaus. Weisberg has also worked as a freelance journalist for numerous publications.

The creator and author of the Bushisms series, Weisberg published The Bush Tragedy in 2008. He is also the author, with Robert Rubin, of In An Uncertain World (2003). Weisberg’s first book, In Defense of Government, was published in 1996.

Weisberg graduated from Yale University in 1986, where he worked for the Yale Daily News. When a junior, he was offered a membership in Skull and Bones by Senator John Kerry, but declined the offer, citing the club’s exclusion of women.[2] Instead Weisberg was persuaded by The Washingon Post’s Robert G. Kaiser to join Elihu Society instead.[3] After Yale he attended New College, Oxford on a Rhodes Scholarship.

Weisberg moderated a 2007 debate between Al Sharpton and Christopher Hitchens. This debate hit the news after Al Sharpton made a comment that seemed to charge that Mormons did not “really believe in God.” The moderator, Weisberg, was noted to have also made critical comments regarding Mormons, and in particular presidential candidate Mitt Romney.[4] Weisberg authored an opinion piece on Slate in which he argues it is not bigoted to refuse to vote for a Mormon, especially one who believes in the “founding whoppers of Mormonism.”[5] He also stated that he would never vote for a Scientologist or a young earth creationist.

In August 2008, Weisberg stated on Slate that the only reason Barack Obama would ever lose to John McCain is racism by white Americans against Obama. He stated that “If Obama loses, our children will grow up thinking of equal opportunity as a myth.”[6]


15 posted on 10/19/2009 10:00:14 AM PDT by wac3rd (Felipe Calderon supports the public option.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Slate's use of "skewed news" is not only ironic and a paradox, but it is flat out hilarious. No doubt, the writers at Slate, as with most of its readers, watch the seriously "skew news" at ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, etc. =.=
16 posted on 10/19/2009 10:00:48 AM PDT by cranked
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...Fox anchor Chris Wallace, who calls Obama's team "the biggest bunch of crybabies I have dealt with in my 30 years in Washington."

I don't care who you are, THAT there's funny! :-) Chris Wallace is a bit lefty, but he was spot on with this comment!
17 posted on 10/19/2009 10:00:50 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Never mind the swinging door, constant flow, of State Media 'journalist' and Democrat politicians from news activism to political activism and visa versa.

I surely do not trust this guy to tell me the truth about anything!

18 posted on 10/19/2009 10:01:29 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: dead

Slate is a news outlet? I thought it was a commentary by Fred Flintstone’s boss! Go figure! ;-)


19 posted on 10/19/2009 10:01:46 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: snowrip

I understand what you are saying...the Left is delusional and dangerous, I have literally stopped speaking to any Liberals in our family and circle of friends...I cannot stand their logic and cannot hear another anti-Bush reference.

Their leader is an illegal alien and they love Communism, I cannot stand either.


20 posted on 10/19/2009 10:02:08 AM PDT by wac3rd (Felipe Calderon supports the public option.)
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To: marstegreg
CNN is rife with false stories - many from overseas locations - I've busted them more than once.

The "debunking" story in Indonesia was manufactured for example - I've posted details on my blog

21 posted on 10/19/2009 10:03:58 AM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: wac3rd

Seems to be a big Chicagowanda connection here. Now that is objective reporting.


22 posted on 10/19/2009 10:06:56 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Usually receiving flak is a good indication that you’re on target.


23 posted on 10/19/2009 10:07:39 AM PDT by wbill
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To: expatguy

Where can I see your blog?


24 posted on 10/19/2009 10:09:10 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A skewed journalist accuses Fox of skewing the news. The funny thing is, he doesn't think his view is skewed.

Any news organization that took its responsibilities seriously would take pains to cover presidential criticism fairly....

And yet...

By appearing on Fox, reporters validate its propaganda values and help to undermine the role of legitimate news organizations. Respectable journalists—I'm talking to you, Mara Liasson—should stop appearing on its programs.

First, this cry baby pisses and moans that Fox only cites conservative sources, then he begs for others, whom he deems as respectable, not to appear on Fox! Suffering cats! STFU already.

25 posted on 10/19/2009 10:10:08 AM PDT by new cruelty (Shoot your TV. Torch your newspaper.)
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To: marstegreg

http://www.laotze.blogspot.com/


26 posted on 10/19/2009 10:12:58 AM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes... Everybody ignore Fox. All eyes on Jacob! /Sarc


27 posted on 10/19/2009 10:14:05 AM PDT by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mr. Weisberg apparently believes that things will be better, and he will be happier when a political officer reviews all outgoing "news".

Hopefully, he won't have to find out the hard way just how tragically wrong he is.

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28 posted on 10/19/2009 10:23:14 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jacob Weisberg, leftist crybaby!


29 posted on 10/19/2009 10:28:48 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Jacob Weisberg’s views on Mormonism:

http://www.slate.com/id/2155902

30 posted on 10/19/2009 10:31:51 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think the Fringe Media is starting to realize their fate.


31 posted on 10/19/2009 10:38:48 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maleducated libtards....

as Ronald Reagan observed...”its not that our liberal friends are so ignorant, but that what so much of what they “know” simply isn’t true”

the corollary of this statement...also RR’s

“A liberal is somebody who has read Karl Marx....a conservative is somebody who UNDERSTANDS Karl Marx...”


32 posted on 10/19/2009 10:42:18 AM PDT by mo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are COMMUNISTS in this administration + FOX is the only news source exposing this + CMSM want’s FOX silenced = CMSM is Communist. Do the math.


33 posted on 10/19/2009 10:43:33 AM PDT by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: TexasCajun

That’s George Stefan the Awful Ass.


34 posted on 10/19/2009 11:03:23 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I get the feeling that every other media outlet is jealous of Fox News getting all this attention from Obama.


35 posted on 10/19/2009 11:14:55 AM PDT by sportutegrl (If liberals could do math, they would be conservatives.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What the White House is saying is:

"If FOX News breaks a story (like Acorn or Van Jones), don't pick it up and report it or do your own research on it. Then we can isolate the FNC message apparatus until we can regulate them off the air. Thanks in advance."

36 posted on 10/19/2009 11:24:12 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FOX news is biased toward the truth.

That’s why I watch it.


37 posted on 10/19/2009 11:46:09 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Slate bashes Fox News for skewing the news. LOL! Ain’t that rich!


38 posted on 10/19/2009 11:46:24 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Weisberg - what a total hack:

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/10/20/the-end-of-jacob-weisberg/

Of course, the Government would later prove itself that IT was responsible for the crisis, completely dissolving this moron’s screed.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/50680

And yet, Jacob remains employed. And Newsweek’s readership is at an all time low.

Liberals love their constructs.


39 posted on 10/19/2009 12:01:30 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So slate can see the splinter in FoxNews’ eye, despite having more than eight posts in it’s eye. Good to know.

Hearing the beneficiaries of ABC, CBS, CNN, CNN HLN, MSNBC, NBC, HBO, the NYTs, the WP and a myriad of other non-stop propaganda factories, whine about FoxNews just makes me want to cry them a river in sympathy.

NOT!

And we’re not just talking about news programming either. These outlets are pushing his agenda in their programming and alternate stories as well.

It’s full blown Communism with these idiots.

FoxNews is about the only network that allows someone on who hasn’t become a hex-slave to Obama.

For that it is cursed by the flying monkeys.


40 posted on 10/19/2009 12:11:58 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: DoughtyOne

Anita, enjoy your fifteen minutes, for it ends tonight on Beck.


41 posted on 10/19/2009 12:18:38 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

LOL


42 posted on 10/19/2009 12:34:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You know what's really funny about this whole Fox News row? Absent Obama's governmental intrusion (tyrranical), it's like a group of nerds deciding to ignore the most popular kid in school, hoping to make him less popular and de-legitimize him. The SRM's efforts to de-legitimize Fox would be just as effective.

Except that the leader of the free world is behind this effort to isolate Fox News. That adds another dimension.

43 posted on 10/19/2009 12:36:19 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Proud to be an American, where I least I know I'm free!)
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To: popdonnelly
Last week, when White House communications director Anita Dunn charged the Fox News Channel with right-wing bias, Fox responded the way it always does. It denied the accusation with a straight face while proceeding to confirm it with its coverage.
All of the other so-called “news” programs reflect a liberal bias. Why is Fox the only bad actor in the whole bunch?
Monopoly Associated Press journalism is not independent, precisely because it is associated. Within the association, you have protection - but you also have to do some protecting yourself. You are protected from attacks on your credibility - your objectivity - but you also have to protect everyone else in the association the same way. So if a Dan Rather comes out with a cock-and-bull story about poor-quality "copies of Texas Air National Guard Memos" which supposedly were created in the 1970s and somehow only surfaced in 2004 during a G.W. Bush's last of 4 high-profile elections - and with fancy typeset qualities not found in the simple typewriters of the 1970s - you as a member of the association are obligated to abstain from pointing out the absurdity, but rather to facilitate the stonewalling of the damning evidence against a fellow member of the association.

In the association, you are entitled and expected to promote your own objectivity - the fact that claiming your own objectivity is inherently subjective notwithstanding.


44 posted on 10/19/2009 1:32:37 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Anyone who claims to be objective marks himself as hopelessly subjective.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
These charges about Fox reveal the Left's general "misunderestimating" the intelligence of those "American people" they're so fond of citing to support their policies.

In their pseudo-intellectual world, their minions in academia, in the media, and politics have combined to "dumb down" the "little people" to the point they won't see through their claims. Such remarks by Dunn, Emanuel, and Axelrod show little to no understanding of the First Amendment's meaning of "freedom of the press."

Thomas Jefferson understood it though, and though he often was attacked by the press of his day, spoke out strongly in defense of freedom of the press. His passion, of course, was defending liberty, not government control, unlike that of the current Congress and Administration.

These are only a few of his remarks on that subject:

"The press [is] the only tocsin of a nation. [When it] is completely silenced... all means of a general effort [are] taken away." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, Nov 29, 1802. (*) ME 10:341

"Since truth and reason have maintained their ground against false opinions in league with false facts, the press confined to truth needs no other legal restraint. The public judgment will correct false reasonings and opinions on a full hearing of all parties, and no other definite line can be drawn between the inestimable liberty of the press and its demoralizing licentiousness. If there be still improprieties which this rule would not restrain, its supplement must be sought in the censorship of public opinion." --Thomas Jefferson: 2nd Inaugural Address, 1805. ME 3:381

"The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves, nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe." --Thomas Jefferson to Charles Yancey, 1816. ME 14:384

"Our liberty cannot be guarded but by the freedom of the press, nor that be limited without danger of losing it." --Thomas Jefferson to John Jay, 1786.

And, finally, but by no means the entirety of Jefferson's thoughts on the need for freedom of the press, no matter how critical its views:

"No experiment can be more interesting than that we are now trying, and which we trust will end in establishing the fact, that man may be governed by reason and truth. Our first object should therefore be, to leave open to him all the avenues to truth. The most effectual hitherto found, is the freedom of the press. It is, therefore, the first shut up by those who fear the investigation of their actions."(Underlining added for emphasis) --Thomas Jefferson to John Tyler, 1804. ME 11:33

45 posted on 10/19/2009 2:31:34 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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