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In the Bronx, a Clash of Cultures Turns Violent [Blacks vs West Africans! Racist?]
NYTimes ^ | October 19, 2009

Posted on 10/19/2009 2:53:55 PM PDT by Steelfish

In the Bronx, a Clash of Cultures Turns Violent

Ozier Muhammad/The New York Times

Community leaders organized meetings at Al Tawba mosque in Claremont to address fear and frustration expressed by many local West African immigrants who have experienced tensions with the local black American residents.

Published: October 19, 2009

The storefronts on a stretch of Webster Avenue in the Claremont neighborhood in the South Bronx tell the story of local shifts as well as any census: a Senegalese-run 99-cent store, an African video store, an African-run fast-food spot, a mosque, several African restaurants.

A Community Struggles The owner of Café de C.E.D.E.A.O., named for the coalition of West African nations, envisioned it as a community hub, where Americans would try his wife’s cassava soup and realize it’s not so foreign after all. But a year in, the owner, Mohammed M. Barrie, said he could count the number of American patrons on one hand.

Meanwhile, he and his customers have been taunted, he said, and his restaurant’s window urinated on. Someone tried to break into a diner’s car. Then there is the bullet hole in the front window, a mark from a gunshot through the window late one night last summer.

“Those people, they don’t respect African people,” said Mr. Barrie, a Sierra Leone native who settled in the United States in 1998. “I pay my bills, I pay my taxes, they still ...” He trailed off.

Down the block, Muhammed....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: african; bronx; racism; racist; tribes

1 posted on 10/19/2009 2:53:57 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

How sad. I’m speechless. American born blacks are resentful of African immigrants who are working and running businesses, and being productive members of society? Somebody p*** on his window???? Somebody else shot at his store? And the American born people do that because why????????


2 posted on 10/19/2009 2:59:35 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Steelfish

What WILL they do when they don’t have Whitey to kick around anymore?


3 posted on 10/19/2009 3:00:28 PM PDT by skeeter (Pterocarya fraxinifolia)
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To: Steelfish

West African Muslims in NYC?

In the UK - Somali Muslims attack and call n***er the Caribean British citizens who have live in the UK for decades. A black Brit did a video on it and i think he called it the N word.

This is just like Africa where Islamic (black/Arabic) Africans kill African Christians.


4 posted on 10/19/2009 3:02:15 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's health care?)
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To: Steelfish
“Many African-Americans feel that the influx of Africans coming in represents a kind of invasion,” he said. “Culturally, African-Americans have always imagined themselves as Africans, or at least of African descent, but they might have never encountered Africans from the continent. The actual encounter is shocking.”

The African-Americans, like many of other-Americans, are wondering what the hell these people are doing in our country. Why are we importing poor people from all over the world, who then try to impose their ways on our culture?

5 posted on 10/19/2009 3:03:25 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Steelfish

Tribal tensions...


6 posted on 10/19/2009 3:03:47 PM PDT by 43north (11.04.08: the day America committed voluntary suicide)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Is there such a thing as “They Are Muslim” Defense?


7 posted on 10/19/2009 3:05:21 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm.


8 posted on 10/19/2009 3:07:13 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Hear us, O Bama: Mmm, mmm, mmm.)
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To: Steelfish

Someone needs to ask Rev Wright which chickens are coming home to roost.


9 posted on 10/19/2009 3:08:28 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Steelfish

The African-Americans are upset because the new immigrants are kicking their butts. The new immigrants are employed, starting businesses and owning the buildings that the A/M’s are living in. They are also blowing the cover of oppression that the White Man is keeping us down. No wonder they are mad, Al and Jesse have told them it is impossible to get ahead. These darn immigrants are screwing up the story.


10 posted on 10/19/2009 3:10:39 PM PDT by nj patriot (Gore is beyond help.... Snakes in the head.)
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To: Steelfish

No person residing in NYC or any other place in America should be subject to unwarranted assaults. Any such attacks should be a police matter and properly prosecuted.

That said, all NYC or elsewhere permanent residents should be citizens or legal immigrants who have done the necessary paperwork to come here. Any person, found to be an illegal should be deported and forbidden to return. Anyone operating a licensed business or applying for a government benefit should be required to show real ID of citizenship or legal immigrant status.


11 posted on 10/19/2009 3:10:47 PM PDT by RicocheT
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To: Jeff Chandler

We need 2 of the “that’s racists” kids yelling “that’s racist” at each other. HA !


12 posted on 10/19/2009 3:12:46 PM PDT by MotorCityBuck (Page 73, Johnson, Navin)
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To: Steelfish

“Kantara Baragi, the imam of the Al Tawba mosque, acknowledges that insularity is part of the problem. “We don’t hang around,” said Mr. Baragi,”

Looks like they are staying to themselves instead of intermingling. Those actions will raise suspicions.


13 posted on 10/19/2009 3:14:29 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: La Lydia
Why are we importing poor people from all over the world, who then try to impose their ways on our culture?

We bring them here precisely so they can impose their culture on our nation.

What many of us suspected for years is becoming apparent - progressives intend to destroy American culture in order to rebuild it in their own image.

14 posted on 10/19/2009 3:14:42 PM PDT by skeeter (Pterocarya fraxinifolia)
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To: La Lydia

One answer:

Third World USA.


15 posted on 10/19/2009 3:15:13 PM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: Steelfish

I’ll root for the West Africans, at least they appreciate the fact they’re in this country.


16 posted on 10/19/2009 3:16:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Steelfish

While I’m not defending the American blacks who are attacking them, it certainly wouldn’t bother me at all if these folks packed up and went back to their 3rd world Islamic $hitholes.


17 posted on 10/19/2009 3:17:26 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Steelfish

This is an old pattern. Newcomers arrive, start businesses, and are treated with resentment by the older residents. In the past, there was always a “racial” element. This time, there isn’t one, but it’s the same old pattern.


18 posted on 10/19/2009 3:19:23 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: Parley Baer; nj patriot
A 37-year-old American man who gave his name as Dre pointed to the pavement in front of the mosque where the African men, easily identifiable in their beards and skullcaps, gather each afternoon. “If you don’t give praise to Allah, don’t go there,” he said. “It’s just like Afghanistan.”

I wouldn't appreciate that, either.

19 posted on 10/19/2009 3:20:26 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: GraceG

“Someone needs to ask Rev Wright which chickens are coming home to roost.”

Probably Reverend Wright’s chickens. Is he one of those who urges resentment against businesses?


20 posted on 10/19/2009 3:21:27 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: popdonnelly

I have worked with a lot of people who have come from African countries, like Nigeria, or South Africa. Every one of them I’ve meet has been very nice, and very professional, and very appreciative of this country.

They think the blacks in this country are idiots, for not appreciating what they were born into.


21 posted on 10/19/2009 3:21:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: popdonnelly

“Someone needs to ask Rev Wright which chickens are coming home to roost.”

Probably Reverend Wright’s chickens. Is he one of those who urges resentment against businesses?

DING DING we have a winner


22 posted on 10/19/2009 3:26:12 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: nj patriot
No wonder they are mad, Al and Jesse have told them it is impossible to get ahead.

HA! That no longer works now that there's an African-American in the White House. No more excuses.

23 posted on 10/19/2009 3:26:56 PM PDT by beachn4fun (The Constitution Party is looking better-n-better.)
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To: Steelfish

....sounds like the Africans are working and thus have money...no doubt they were easy pickins’ for the street brothas from the Bronx....at first....that won’t last...remember the Korean store owners during the LA riots?...they took to the roof tops with rifles and walkie talkies....starting handling their own “security” concerns.


24 posted on 10/19/2009 3:27:58 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: beachn4fun
HA! That no longer works now that there's an African-American in the White House. No more excuses.

Yeah, right.

25 posted on 10/19/2009 3:28:55 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Steelfish

Nearly thirty years ago I was friends with a woman from Kenya (Lao tribe). She was a grad student and very bewildered by America and NYC. Once, driving up Amsterdam around 103St, we passed a group of ‘African Americans’ standing, beer-in-bag-in-hand outside a bodega. She shook her head and asked...”What did you do to these people?”


26 posted on 10/19/2009 3:30:46 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: wtc911
”What did you do to these people?”

I hope your answer was, "The Great Society."

27 posted on 10/19/2009 3:33:46 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: wtc911
She shook her head and asked...”What did you do to these people?”

A better question would be:

What have these people done to themselves?

28 posted on 10/19/2009 3:37:56 PM PDT by Bob
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To: STONEWALLS
...no doubt they were easy pickins’ for the street brothas from the Bronx....at first....that won’t last...remember the Korean store owners during the LA riots?...they took to the roof tops with rifles and walkie talkies.

But this is NYC; anyone daring to defend himself by force of arms will be arrested and prosecuted.

29 posted on 10/19/2009 3:46:13 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: dfwgator

No, my answer was that I had not done anything to them.


30 posted on 10/19/2009 3:49:54 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Bob; dfwgator

I understood her incredulity to indicate that the behavior she saw in the black community was a polar opposite to what her particular black world has been. She could not imagine “people” so lost.


31 posted on 10/19/2009 3:53:37 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: skeeter

Well... this article certainly makes that clear.

In any group there are sub-groups. I don’t care if everyone was Black or White, someone would have bigger ears that others. Someone else would have a hair trait that was different. Someone else would be just a shade lighter than the others. Someone would have a different accent. And these differences would lead groups and alliances to form.

It’s just the human condition evidently.

It’s sad but true.


32 posted on 10/19/2009 4:02:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: Steelfish

This is BS and not even a sliver of what’s really going down... trust me.


33 posted on 10/19/2009 4:07:28 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Lord forgive me... we know he's anti-Christ. The pride and chaos get him the pit again.)
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To: nj patriot

“Al and Jesse have told them it is impossible to get ahead. These darn immigrants are screwing up the story.”

No kidding. They even made one president!


34 posted on 10/19/2009 4:16:57 PM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Steelfish
“Those people, they don’t respect African people,” said Mr. Barrie, a Sierra Leone native who settled in the United States in 1998. “I pay my bills, I pay my taxes, they still ...”

Well, here's the problem right here. You work. You pay your bills. You pay your taxes. You live in an Obamabot neighborhood, where the entitlement mentality has taken control. Obama's going pay for everything and give everything away. How dare you come in and try to make your own way?

Here's my advice for Mohammed Barrie and the other West Africans, move to small or medium-sized American towns. You will be respected and welcomed with open arms.

35 posted on 10/19/2009 4:25:15 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: dfwgator

And unlike many native “African-Americans”, they are paying taxes and working.


36 posted on 10/19/2009 4:42:31 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: DoughtyOne

And its the human condition that minority subgroups resent their minority status.


37 posted on 10/19/2009 4:53:01 PM PDT by skeeter (Pterocarya fraxinifolia)
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To: RicocheT

Few are stupid enough to move into a black underclass area and open a business, let alone reside. This is the way anyone with anything is treated in the ghetto. If they were not Africans, they would have been tortured and shot by now.


38 posted on 10/19/2009 6:23:13 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Parley Baer

I would of thunk it. The Africans in Africa even act White.


39 posted on 10/19/2009 7:43:22 PM PDT by gusty
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To: gusty

I still haven’t meet an African who doesn’t think Africa is for blacks and blacks only! Like the Arabs, they kicked out the white people, and then followed them home.


40 posted on 10/19/2009 10:05:14 PM PDT by paristwelve (Feeling sorry for things is just an excuse for not celebrating your own happiness.)
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To: skeeter

Yes they do. It sure doesn’t take them long to take it out on even smaller sub-groups though.


41 posted on 10/20/2009 12:29:51 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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