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US Pentagon scientist arrested for 'agreeing to be Israeli spy'
Jerusalem Post ^ | 10-19-09

Posted on 10/19/2009 3:51:46 PM PDT by SJackson

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To: centurion316

“If the accounts are true.”

Well, maybe. If they are true. I’ve always said that Jonathan Pollard belonged right where he is, in jail. But I’m not so sure about the new regime in Washington, and how far they can be trusted.

The FBI spent years framing the wrong guy for the anthrax mailings, because they didn’t want to investigate any of those nice Muslims who were probably responsible. And there have been other cases.

And we know that Janet Napolitano has her targets, and they are not Muslims, either. Jews, Christians, veterans, and conservatives are her preferred targets.

So, maybe this guy is guilty. Or maybe he is being framed for propaganda purposes. Probably it’s too early to be sure, one way or the other.


51 posted on 10/19/2009 5:24:42 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: airborne; dennisw
And if/when he is tried and convicted, I'll be cheering with the rest....But I won't be part of a lynch mob.

No disagreement, and dennisw may be correct that there were no actual acts of espionage here. As I noted in my last post no other articles mention them either. But it's hard to believe the FBI would arrest him with nothing more than an "agreement" to "spy". But possible.

52 posted on 10/19/2009 5:26:08 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Cicero
So, maybe this guy is guilty. Or maybe he is being framed for propaganda purposes. Probably it’s too early to be sure, one way or the other.

Apparently for some, it's never too early for a lynching!

53 posted on 10/19/2009 5:26:26 PM PDT by airborne (I'm from an older generation. When killing the enemy was a good thing!)
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To: SJackson
For whatever reason they targeted him, he bit, so it doesn't matter.

Yep. Not a smart move from an otherwise smart guy.

I found this video of him, answering a question from an AZ State student, about mini RF...

Stewart Nozette.

54 posted on 10/19/2009 5:28:01 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO)
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To: Cicero
So, maybe this guy is guilty. Or maybe he is being framed for propaganda purposes.

The question, what purposes? The Israel connection is a fabrication, per other articles he's not Jewish, per a previous post he's a Republican donor but so are lots of folk. I suspect there's more information coming.

55 posted on 10/19/2009 5:28:06 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: SJackson
Absolutely. If he's guilty, he deserves to spend life in jail.

But even if the story is accurate, it hardly compares to the harm Pollard did to our country, so to compare the two is either ignorant or dishonest, IMO.

56 posted on 10/19/2009 5:32:49 PM PDT by airborne (I'm from an older generation. When killing the enemy was a good thing!)
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To: SJackson
Absolutely. If he's guilty, he deserves to spend life in jail.

But even if the story is accurate, it hardly compares to the harm Pollard did to our country, so to compare the two is either ignorant or dishonest, IMO.

57 posted on 10/19/2009 5:32:54 PM PDT by airborne (I'm from an older generation. When killing the enemy was a good thing!)
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To: Cicero

Fair comments, but I doubt that the Evil Ones are working their schemes at the level of this investigations (Yet). I suspect that these guys were just out to catch traitors and the fish were biting. I’m willing to reserve final judgment until the trial is complete, but I’m ready to get on the short list for the firing squad.


58 posted on 10/19/2009 5:33:44 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: airborne; SJackson

Sorry for the double post. Angels/Yankees on - bottom 11 - 4-4 tie -


59 posted on 10/19/2009 5:34:08 PM PDT by airborne (I'm from an older generation. When killing the enemy was a good thing!)
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To: airborne

I agree. It appears he was caught before doing any harm. If history is a guide, forget life, think a year or two at worst.


60 posted on 10/19/2009 5:35:08 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: wmileo

>Perhaps your ticket is really Wright-Farrakhan!

Nope, but your ticket is definitely Al Sharpton - Abe Foxman 2012.


61 posted on 10/19/2009 5:35:39 PM PDT by Palin Republic (Palin - Bachmann 2012 : Girl Power!)
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To: airborne

And the Angels just won!


62 posted on 10/19/2009 5:36:12 PM PDT by airborne (I'm from an older generation. When killing the enemy was a good thing!)
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To: SJackson
I went to the FBI website and read their press release. According to them, he no longer holds clearances, but said he could relay secret information from memory. Here is pertinent part of the FBI press release:

On or about Sept. 10, 2009, undercover FBI agents left a letter in the designated post office box for Nozette. In the letter, the FBI asked Nozette to answer a list of questions concerning U.S. satellite information. The undercover agents also provided a $2,000 cash payment for Nozette. The serial numbers of the bills were recorded. Nozette retrieved the questions and the money from the post office the same day.

On or about Sept. 16, 2009, Nozette was captured on videotape leaving a manila envelope in the designated post office box in the District of Columbia. The next day, FBI agents retrieved the sealed manila envelope that Nozette had dropped off and found, among other things, a one-page document containing answers to the questions posed by the undercover agents and an encrypted computer thumb drive. One of answers provided by Nozette contained information classified as Secret, which concerned capabilities of a prototype overhead collection system. In addition, Nozette allegedly offered to reveal additional classified information that directly concerned nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites, and other major weapons systems.

Also on or about Sept. 17, 2009, undercover FBI agents left a second letter in the post office box for Nozette. In the letter, the FBI asked Nozette to answer another list of questions concerning U.S. satellite information. The FBI also left a cash payment of $9,000 in the post office box. Nozette allegedly retrieved the questions and the money from the post office box later that same day.

On or about October 1, 2009, Nozette was filmed on videotape leaving a manila envelope in the post office box. Later that day, FBI agents retrieved the manila envelope left by Nozette and found a second set of answers from him. The answers contained information classified as both Top Secret and Secret that concerned U.S. satellites, early warning systems, means of defense or retaliation against large-scale attack, communications intelligence information, and major elements of defense strategy.

I am by nature a skeptic, and am interested to see how this case plays out.

63 posted on 10/19/2009 5:38:02 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO)
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To: onemiddleamerican

Thanks for the link. Sounds like a smart guy.

You think Israel is looking to colonize the moon? 8^)


64 posted on 10/19/2009 5:38:14 PM PDT by airborne (I'm from an older generation. When killing the enemy was a good thing!)
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To: wmileo

Have you ever met a “real fighting man”. You really ought to watch jumping to conclusions.

You may have detected that I have little patience for those who jump to the defense of traitors. I have reason to behave in that way, and am more than willing to compare my service with that of any who would challenge it.


65 posted on 10/19/2009 5:38:25 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: onemiddleamerican
If your information is correct, he will most likely be found guilty and sentenced accordingly.

For a life sentence, if he's found guilty.

66 posted on 10/19/2009 5:41:10 PM PDT by airborne (I'm from an older generation. When killing the enemy was a good thing!)
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To: SJackson
If history is a guide, forget life, think a year or two at worst.

Well, keep in mind that our current President prefers Muslims and shows disdain for Jews (and their supporters).

67 posted on 10/19/2009 5:43:38 PM PDT by airborne (I'm from an older generation. When killing the enemy was a good thing!)
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To: airborne; dennisw; centurion316; Cicero; onemiddleamerican
As to the question of actions

Mr Nozette and the undercover agent exchanged envelopes of money for answers to lists of questions about US satellite technology.

"In addition, Nozette allegedly offered to reveal additional classified information that directly concerned nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites and other major weapons systems,'' DOJ said.

FBI agents retrieved a manila envelope left by Mr Nozette in a designated location this month that "contained information classified as both top secret and secret that concerned US satellites, early warning systems, means of defense or retaliation against large-scale attack, communications intelligence information, and major elements of defense strategy''

If correct, he needs a very good lawyer, and would probably be well advised to accept a plea. Sad, since it was a sting, he has no fellow conspirators to offer up, just FBI agents.

68 posted on 10/19/2009 5:43:50 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: onemiddleamerican

Thanks. Cash for documents, it appears as though he did the deed.


69 posted on 10/19/2009 5:45:48 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: SJackson

Time will tell.

I’m not as smart as some here who already know he’s guilty.


70 posted on 10/19/2009 5:47:30 PM PDT by airborne (I'm from an older generation. When killing the enemy was a good thing!)
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To: airborne

I don’t know, but from the very little I see, he looks it. But that’s why we have trials, and I wish him the best defense he can afford. I could well be wrong. I admit sting operations do disturb me, they create the crime to be prosecuted. In some cases bringing an otherwise guilty man to justice, in others simply creating a criminal. The latter case counterproductive in a free society. But if this was his only “indiscretion”, if he sold classified documents, the sting becomes irrelevant.


71 posted on 10/19/2009 5:53:11 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: centurion316

Clyde Conrad...... That was a real spy. Thanks


72 posted on 10/19/2009 5:53:53 PM PDT by dennisw (Ir's not the Wheel, It's the Carousel)
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To: SJackson

>Cash for documents, it appears as though he did the deed.

OMG Lynch Mob alert!

Just kidding, at the expense of the knee jerk Al Sharpton-Abe Foxman crowd, of course.


73 posted on 10/19/2009 5:54:18 PM PDT by Palin Republic (Palin - Bachmann 2012 : Girl Power!)
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To: SJackson

If the info is accurate, he went back for a “second helping” of money.

Not cool at all!

And if he’s guilty, he needs much, much more than a few years in prison.

20 years hard time in Leavenworth would do nicely.


74 posted on 10/19/2009 5:57:17 PM PDT by airborne (I'm from an older generation. When killing the enemy was a good thing!)
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To: MPJackal

It depends. It could be a legitimate technique. But not one that should be employed unless they already had good reason to believe that he was spying for Israel.

Legally, there’s probably a fine line which the FBI violates from time to time—but at least they should have some good reason for violating it.


75 posted on 10/19/2009 6:01:54 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: brent13a
The problem began when we started giving equal amounts of $upport to the islami-nazi countries. Also I believe that Israel probably feels that they need more info on things than we're giving because if the US Gov't fails to defend Israel then it's up to Israel to save itself. I know one thing: Israel isn't going to use the info they get, through spying, back on us. I'd rather have Israel spying on us than China-North Korea-Russia.

So you condone another country spying on the U.S. "if they feel they need more info on things than we're giving"....wow...just wow.

76 posted on 10/19/2009 6:05:55 PM PDT by northwinds
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To: dennisw

“No spying was even done....More BS from 0bama administration”

Israel spies on us. We spy on them. They are probably among the worst espionage threats, because they are good at it - they’ve compromised the most sensitive of secrets (ala Pollard). If you think for a second Israel would not take advantage of any opportunity, including this one, then you are deluded.

I’m a supporter of Israel, but I wouldn’t trust them with anything that I didn’t want to immediately end up in the hands of the Russians or the Chinese, because that is exactly what has happened before when we shared info with them (another case).


77 posted on 10/19/2009 6:08:41 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: dennisw

I think that I may have misjudged you, but I don’t think I’m wrong about this guy. Don’t stand too close to him, I don’t shoot as straight as I used to.


78 posted on 10/19/2009 6:09:56 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: airborne
If he's guilty, he deserves to spend life in jail.

Well, it seems as if you don't agree with the basic principle that the severity of the punishment should be proportionate to the severity of the crime. If the facts are as stated, and absolutely no actual espionage was engaged in, not even on behalf of an ally, life imprisonment is much too harsh for a relatively minor offense.

Life imprisonment is generally reserved for crimes like aggravated homicides. No one was killed nor physically harmed here as far as we know.

79 posted on 10/19/2009 6:13:03 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: SJackson

All spys that I know of were arrested for actually passing information to the enemy or a foreign nation. They actually did some spying and espionage. Maybe this will come out in court and maybe this Nozette will be charged with actual espionage

But so far what I see is a man who handed over top secret material to the FBI who was faking being from a foreign power. Is this really the best we can do? Yeah it’s against the law but we should be arresting spies who actually commit espionage


80 posted on 10/19/2009 6:13:15 PM PDT by dennisw (Ir's not the Wheel, It's the Carousel)
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To: MPJackal

Only if you were enticed to do something you weren’t already predisposed to do.


81 posted on 10/19/2009 6:13:37 PM PDT by CaptRon
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To: Palin Republic

Good idea. Stuff is classified for a reason, just because Israel is our ally, doesn’t mean she needs full access to our secrets. The same with Britain, Japan, Germany and especially China.


82 posted on 10/19/2009 6:14:00 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: dennisw
All spys that I know of were arrested for actually passing information to the enemy or a foreign nation. They actually did some spying and espionage. Maybe this will come out in court and maybe this Nozette will be charged with actual espionage...But so far what I see is a man who handed over top secret material to the FBI who was faking being from a foreign power. Is this really the best we can do? Yeah it’s against the law but we should be arresting spies who actually commit espionage

I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know the significance of "thinking" you're passing classified information to another nation. I do know that passing classified information to anyone without the proper clearance and need can land you in jail. Accepting money, yes, it's espionage, though I don't know the actual charge. And catching this guy, it's catching someone who would actually commit espionage. He thought he was.

Is this the best use of resources? I don't know. Perhaps not. There are real agents out there.

83 posted on 10/19/2009 6:20:45 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: centurion316

This account is from an Israeli paper and they may be inaccurate..... lost in translation

It could well be that the FBI will come out with real espionage charges against Nozette. Acts where he actually handed over sensitive materials to a foreign power. So far all you have is the FBI impersonating Israelis wanting secret information

My guess is there will be charges that he handed over sensitive materiel to Israeli agents


84 posted on 10/19/2009 6:21:03 PM PDT by dennisw (Ir's not the Wheel, It's the Carousel)
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To: Sawdring
Stuff is classified for a reason, just because Israel is our ally, doesn’t mean she needs full access to our secrets.

Read the article, this has nothing at all to do with Israel.

85 posted on 10/19/2009 6:21:44 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: dennisw
My guess is there will be charges that he handed over sensitive materiel to Israeli agents

Bet you there won't. That's not why they chose Israel, it was for the headline.

86 posted on 10/19/2009 6:24:32 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: SJackson

Look at it this way...
All the famous spy cases you have read about for the last 30 years....Materiel was actually passed to enemies of the United States or to foreign powers like Israel

Not one case involved a wanna be spy like this guy
But pay attention because maybe real spy charges are upcoming for Nozette


87 posted on 10/19/2009 6:25:22 PM PDT by dennisw (Ir's not the Wheel, It's the Carousel)
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To: Palin Republic
"Nope, but your ticket is definitely Al Sharpton - Abe Foxman 2012."

Your silly!

88 posted on 10/19/2009 6:26:37 PM PDT by wmileo (I miss Ronald Wilson Reagan. POTUS #40)
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To: SJackson

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=8866974


89 posted on 10/19/2009 6:28:07 PM PDT by dennisw (Ir's not the Wheel, It's the Carousel)
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To: dennisw

If the guy thought that he was passing secrets to a foreign agent, did it willingly, and accepted money for doing so; then he’s guilty as hell, but in consideration of the circumstances, we should refrain from using tracer ammo on him, and stick to plain old service ball.

The lawyers can sort through all of procedural stuff, and he’ll get plenty of free legal help, of that you can be sure. The only way I’ll revise my opinion is if the narrative of his actions proves to be a total hoax.


90 posted on 10/19/2009 6:32:10 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: SJackson

I did read the article. People on this thread think because this guy wanted to sell classified info to the Israelis, that it is some sort of get Israel plan. They caught a traitor and he should be dealt with appropriately.


91 posted on 10/19/2009 6:35:42 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: dennisw

If your point is that this isn’t a headline making bust of a severe threat to American security, I agree. The time and funds spent on it relative to actual threats to our security I’ve no way to judge.


92 posted on 10/19/2009 6:40:24 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: centurion316
"You may have detected that I have little patience for those who jump to the defense of traitors. I have reason to behave in that way, and am more than willing to compare my service with that of any who would challenge it.

I have concluded that you are a silly piece of work who probably changes feet every time you open your mouth.

You made a stupid attack on another FREEPER who disagreed with you and I am calling you on it.

Oh! did you serve with John Kerry too?

93 posted on 10/19/2009 6:44:28 PM PDT by wmileo (I miss Ronald Wilson Reagan. POTUS #40)
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To: centurion316

I’m on your side basically. Lets see what develops


94 posted on 10/19/2009 6:52:08 PM PDT by dennisw (Ir's not the Wheel, It's the Carousel)
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To: justiceseeker93
Well, it seems as if you don't agree with the basic principle that the severity of the punishment should be proportionate to the severity of the crime.

It is possible.

20 years hard labor is an alternative I also suggested.

That being said, I think the current sentences may be a bit light if, in fact, he is found to be guilty of spying on his country.

I guess I'm just old fashioned that way.

95 posted on 10/19/2009 6:54:20 PM PDT by airborne (I'm from an older generation. When killing the enemy was a good thing!)
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To: SJackson
That's not why they chose Israel, it was for the headline.

Excellent point!

The Obama Administration Pentagon could have chosen any country. Why Israel?

96 posted on 10/19/2009 6:56:55 PM PDT by airborne (I'm from an older generation. When killing the enemy was a good thing!)
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To: centurion316
The only way I’ll revise my opinion is if the narrative of his actions proves to be a total hoax.

Guilty until proven innocent! Nice!!!

97 posted on 10/19/2009 7:11:47 PM PDT by airborne (I'm from an older generation. When killing the enemy was a good thing!)
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To: wmileo

I attacked people who are willing to stand up for traitors because they don’t like the current Administration. Well, I don’t like them either, but I’m not going start taking sides with those who are ready to sell out the country. Not every FBI agent is a willing foil for the Attorney General.

Several of the recipients of my original post made comments that gave the impression that they were in this guys corner. Their subsequent remarks have clarified that they don’t approve. I’m happy to defend my position. They aren’t able to defend theirs, and while its nice of you to try to jump in and help them out, it won’t have much effect.


98 posted on 10/19/2009 7:43:50 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Cicero

WAR IS PEACE

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

BIG KENYAN IS WATCHING


99 posted on 10/19/2009 8:07:00 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("When France chides you for appeasement, you know you're scraping bottom." --Charles Krauthammer)
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To: SJackson

Give him the same punishment as an al-Qaeda terrorist - resettle him in Bermuda.


100 posted on 10/19/2009 8:28:00 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("When France chides you for appeasement, you know you're scraping bottom." --Charles Krauthammer)
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