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Anglicans welcome under new Catholic structure, says Pope
The Star ^ | 10-20-09

Posted on 10/20/2009 6:35:50 AM PDT by STARWISE

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1 posted on 10/20/2009 6:35:50 AM PDT by STARWISE
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2 posted on 10/20/2009 6:36:49 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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This is so rich on so many levels. The Anglicans’ church leaves them, the Roman Catholic church says come home, there is a place for you here; you believe what we believe. And the Anglican archbishop embraces the whole idea so as to avoid “schism.” Guess what. It’s already happened. And it was your doing. I am happy for the Anglicans.


3 posted on 10/20/2009 6:43:15 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: STARWISE
"If it's for former Anglicans, then it's not about our present difficulties, then it's people who have already left," Richardson said. If it's current Anglicans, "There is in my mind an uncertainty for whom it is intended."

It's for former Anglicans. This was done to accommodate the Tradtiional Anglican Communion. It's being presented in broader terms so that others still in the "official" Anglican Communion have a path as well.

Those who think things in the "official" Anglican Communion are just fine will have no need of this option.

4 posted on 10/20/2009 7:00:01 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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“The two questions I would want to ask are ‘why this and why now,”’ he told The Associated Press. “Why the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has decided to embrace that particular method remains unclear to me.”


Because man is created as a communal being.

One is only a true man if he loves other persons, especially God.

It seems that the Church has made the prudential decision that an existing “communio” that finds itself to be Catholic in essence - though not formally in name - will be best served by keeping that communio intact and allowing that already present Catholic essence to flourish openly as it fully and formally incorporates into the large communion of the Church led by the successor of Peter.


5 posted on 10/20/2009 7:11:58 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Wer glaubt ist nie allein. Who believes is never alone.)
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6 posted on 10/20/2009 7:16:02 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: STARWISE

Does this mean we will get some people who have good church music?

(Another mass with Marty’s music at beginning and end. Ugh. My personal cross to bear, I guess.)


7 posted on 10/20/2009 7:46:10 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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8 posted on 10/20/2009 8:04:32 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: STARWISE

Welcome home, brother and sister Anglicans!


9 posted on 10/20/2009 8:08:20 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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There’s one ambiguity here: if these new structures are being established as havens for Anglicans, but if married Anglicans cannot become Catholic bishops, will the bishops heading them remain Anglican bishops or will Catholic bishops be assigned to lead the transferred congregations?

My bishop is quite married and his orders are rock-solid Apostolic. If our communion could be aligned with Rome in the way described and if my current bishop could be my bishop in the new structure, then I would be very content. Otherwise, this is just another press release adding confusion to an already-distressed situation.


10 posted on 10/20/2009 8:13:38 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (I'm still waiting for Dear Leader to say something that isn't a lie)
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To: Miss Marple

I hear ya ...

Why can’t they play the hymns we
know and love ?


11 posted on 10/20/2009 8:21:40 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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12 posted on 10/20/2009 8:30:27 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: BelegStrongbow
There’s one ambiguity here: if these new structures are being established as havens for Anglicans, but if married Anglicans cannot become Catholic bishops, will the bishops heading them remain Anglican bishops or will Catholic bishops be assigned to lead the transferred congregations?

It's my understanding that the personal ordinariates can be lead by a bishop or by a priest working under the local ordinary. I would guess that those married Anglican bishops will be ordained (probably sub conditione) and function as priests in charge of local personal ordinariates. Those un-married Anglican bishops will could potentially be consecrated and function as a bishop. I would expect at least a few would, anyway. I doubt Rome would want to make any more bishops than they have to in this case.

I expect this will be clarified when the Apostolic Constitution is actually released. Are you a member of an Anglican body now?

13 posted on 10/20/2009 8:34:09 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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Dear BelegStrongbow,

Married bishops won't be permitted in these new ordinariates.

I know that the married bishops in the TAC have already accepted that they will need to leave the episcopacy of their communion. I imagine many (most? all?) will be ordained (conditionally or not) as Catholic priests, but they definitely will not be able to serve in the office of bishop.

From what I've seen in the news, what will likely happen is that where an Anglican group has a married bishop, after he steps aside, the group will be able to select an unmarried priest from within their community to become the new bishop. If there aren't any unmarried men from which to choose, I read in one of the communications that a married priest from within the affected community will be permitted to serve in the role of heading the ordinariate without being consecrated a bishop.

I don't know how it works in your communion, but for us, this often happens when a bishop dies or resigns abruptly, and there is no one to immediately become the new bishop of the diocese. The diocese will be overseen by someone given a different title from bishop, and not necessarily consecrated a bishop, until such time that an arrangement can be made to install a new bishop in the diocese.

This may not be the ideal arrangement, but it may be a compromise that works for some Anglican communities who want to use this new structure and come into communion with Rome.

I'm speculating here, but perhaps your current bishop could continue to function in the role of the ordinary for your ordinariate (once in communion with Rome) as a Catholic priest.

Another option (again, my speculation) may be, at least for some smaller communities, to come into the Catholic Church under another group's ordinariate, where there are unmarried men who can be consecrated bishops.


sitetest

14 posted on 10/20/2009 8:48:55 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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I’m wondering if this is a step toward allowing ALL priests to marry... with the limitation of no advancement to Bishop.


15 posted on 10/20/2009 9:44:26 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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Dear sitetest,

You read it as I thought I read it. Both options are non-starters for communions such as ours, which long ago separated from the Episcopal Church. I am actually wondering why Rome is not considering autocephalous status for us. This would delay full integration, but it would shorten the ecclesial distance in the middle term, something I should think all of us really want.


16 posted on 10/20/2009 9:52:40 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (I'm still waiting for Dear Leader to say something that isn't a lie)
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"(Another mass with Marty’s music at beginning and end. Ugh. My personal cross to bear, I guess.)"

Come East. No OCP ANYWHERE.

17 posted on 10/20/2009 9:55:14 AM PDT by redhead (The libs are SCARED TO DEATH, folks! :o))
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Dear BelegStrongbow,

“I am actually wondering why Rome is not considering autocephalous status for us.”

I don't think that it would matter. The Catholic Church will not accept communion with a body that has a married episcopacy. It's just not in the cards.


sitetest

18 posted on 10/20/2009 10:07:11 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Miss Marple
LOL!

Yeah, the Catholic Church provides many opportunities, perhaps more than she intends, for penitential suffering ....

19 posted on 10/20/2009 4:00:38 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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20 posted on 10/20/2009 4:02:46 PM PDT by narses ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
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