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Is the H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Safe?
Web MD ^ | Oct 20, 2009 | Daniel J. DeNoon

Posted on 10/20/2009 8:51:41 AM PDT by Ben Mugged

What do we really know about the 2009 H1N1 swine flu vaccine? What do we really not know?

Questions about the safety of the vaccine persist. Surf the Internet or flip through TV stations and you'll encounter a multitude of myths and a whole lot of hype.

What are the facts? Straightforward answers follow these questions:

Is the 2009 H1N1 swine flu vaccine safe?

Isn't the 2009 H1N1 swine flu vaccine too new to trust?

Why should I believe what government scientists say about swine flu?

Doesn't the H1N1 swine flu vaccine contain thimerosal?

The 1976 swine flu vaccine wasn't safe. Why should I trust this one?

We don't really know what drugmakers are putting in the swine flu vaccine, do we?

Is the 2009 H1N1 swine flu vaccine safe? The hype: Don't worry, the swine flu vaccine is perfectly safe for everyone.

The myth: Don't take it: We have no way of knowing whether the swine flu vaccine is safe.

The facts: No vaccine is 100% safe for everyone. People with allergies to eggs, for example, can't take flu vaccines because eggs are involved in the manufacturing process.

And flu vaccines cause mild but common reactions. About one in three people get a sore arm from the shot, some with a little redness or even swelling. Some 10% to 15% of people feel tired or get a headache; some may even run a low fever.

And vaccines can trigger rare but serious reactions, even among people with no apparent allergies or sensitivities.

So if vaccines aren't 100% safe, why risk them?

(Excerpt) Read more at webmd.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: flu; h1n1; influenza; safe; swineflu; vaccine
WebMD is an excellent source. Each person needs to make up their own mind but I for one will take the shot.
1 posted on 10/20/2009 8:51:42 AM PDT by Ben Mugged
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To: Ben Mugged

My wife is a clinical pharmacist and is getting both the regular flu shot and H1N1.

I just got my regular flu shot 10 minutes ago.

They are both safe.


2 posted on 10/20/2009 8:54:46 AM PDT by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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To: MikeWUSAF

I’ll pass.


3 posted on 10/20/2009 8:56:16 AM PDT by Nephi ( Bush legacy: "I had to sacrifice free market principles to save the free market.")
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To: Ben Mugged

I made the decision, not to take the shot....................now it is irrelevant, I just had H1N1.


4 posted on 10/20/2009 8:56:20 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: MikeWUSAF
My husband and I are passing on both.

I know this doesn't apply to today's flus or flu vaccines, but about 8 years ago I got the seasonal flu shot. A few days or a week later, I came down with the worst flu of my life... I could barely get out of bed for days. I have no idea if if I "caught the flu" from the flu shot or if the vaccine just didn't do the trick...

5 posted on 10/20/2009 9:00:14 AM PDT by nutmeg (Obamunism is destroying America)
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To: Ben Mugged

Under normal circumstances, I would not be concerned and I would get the vaccination without worry.

However, I trust absolutely NOTHING that comes from the Obama administration, period.

Their incompetence and total lack of integrity has set new records...... all bad.

Although in a much different context,Reagan once said, “Trust, but verify”.

With Obama and his tribe, I say, “Trust absolutely nothing from that bastard”.


6 posted on 10/20/2009 9:01:13 AM PDT by Gator113 (Obamba, Reid, Pelosi, the socialist triad.)
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To: Ben Mugged

They aint stickin that needle in MY H1N1.


7 posted on 10/20/2009 9:04:09 AM PDT by Dewey Revoltnow (We should stop comparing Obama to Hitler. At least Hitler got the Olympics to come to Berlin)
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To: Gator113

I’m with you...100%.


8 posted on 10/20/2009 9:04:22 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: Nephi

Same here. Instead, I’m boosting my immune system to help prevent flu or swine flu, or anything else that comes along. I don’t remember the last time I was sick.


9 posted on 10/20/2009 9:08:20 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (So the writer who breeds more words than he needs, is making a chore for the reader who reads.)
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To: Ben Mugged

I wonder why the Obama daughters did not take the vaccine????
Does O know something we don’t know?


10 posted on 10/20/2009 9:08:40 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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To: mom4melody
Agree too... although I have this caveat:

If it can be shown that there is more vaccine going to liberals and commie-enabling -12bama voters, then I'll consider getting in line.

11 posted on 10/20/2009 9:10:59 AM PDT by C210N (A patriot for a Conservative Renaissance!)
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To: Ben Mugged

I asked my physician why the FDA did not approve the swine flu vaccine. He told me they did approve it. I checked. He was right. It was approved after they waived all of the qualification testing.
This is as hoaky as it gets. Next question: Why were the qual tests waived?


12 posted on 10/20/2009 9:38:33 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama, the naturalized President.)
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To: Ben Mugged

bfl


13 posted on 10/20/2009 9:50:39 AM PDT by txmissy
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To: nutmeg
It takes up to two weeks to develop effective immumity after a flu shot (PDF from CDC). If you got the flu within a week of getting the shot, you definitely got it the old fashioned way. The vaccination just hadn't taken root yet. Also possible you caught a strain that wasn't on that year's seasonal dance card. You can't really get the flu from a flu shot, though, since it doesn't contain viruses. Just little bits and pieces of them.
14 posted on 10/20/2009 9:51:36 AM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: MikeWUSAF

wrong, man you drank the koolaid didn’t you ...


15 posted on 10/20/2009 9:54:15 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: MikeWUSAF

16 posted on 10/20/2009 9:55:46 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian; MikeWUSAF
No I don't think Mike is drinking Koolaid. Some decisions are made using research and information and others are made on faith and even others on knee jerk reactions. Criticizing decisions not in agreement with your philosophy is best using logic and truth not with schoolyard taunts.

Grow up.

17 posted on 10/20/2009 10:01:09 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: Caesar Soze
Thanks for that info in #14. My memory is hazy whether it took days, a week or two weeks or more between my flu shot and when I actually came down with flu symptoms. I realize I could have caught it the old fashioned way...

So far, I'm going to take my chances with this year's seasonal flu and H1N1. I don't plan to get either vaccine...

18 posted on 10/20/2009 10:03:16 AM PDT by nutmeg (Obamunism is destroying America)
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To: Ben Mugged

You mean like his claim that both are safe? The H1N1 that was supposedly tested via a mock vaccine and some that will be made in china, I grew up along time ago, that’s why I no longer drink koolaid ...


19 posted on 10/20/2009 10:04:52 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: BuffaloJack

The testing will be done on the general population, that’s all.


20 posted on 10/20/2009 10:06:38 AM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: Scythian

I survived the flu shot and the H1N1 flumist. Do I get some koolaide too?


21 posted on 10/20/2009 10:07:54 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: BuffaloJack
I asked my physician why the FDA did not approve the swine flu vaccine. He told me they did approve it. I checked. He was right. It was approved after they waived all of the qualification testing. This is as hoaky as it gets. Next question: Why were the qual tests waived?

The novel H1N1 vaccine is the same thing as the seasonal vaccine that has been tested and widely used for years. It's simply a monovalent version, while the seasonal is trivalent (targeting one virus vs. three).

The World Health Organization predicts which three flu strains will be most likely before a given flu season, and its recommendations are followed for the seasonal flu shot. Every year it selects an H1N1 strain, an H3N2 strain, and a B strain. The base of the flu vaccine is always the same, only the viral material targeted changes based on the WHO's recommendations. This year, WHO made its recommendations in February, then the swine flu outbreak occurred in April.

Since it was too late to alter the seasonal flu schedule, a "new" vaccine had to be developed for novel H1N1. But it's not really new at all: It's the same base as the seasonal flu shot, but with a different strain of H1N1 and no material from H3N2 or B. Had WHO waited a few months, or had the swine flu outbreak occurred earlier, novel H1N1 would have been included in the seasonal shot.

So there's really no reason for substantial tests. The base of the vaccine has been proven throughout the world for a number of years, and the same experience tells us that altering the targeted flu strain does not cause any unexpected changes. It simply changes which strain the vaccine protects against. (And I don't think seasonal vaccines are regularly tested, although I could be wrong.)

22 posted on 10/20/2009 10:08:21 AM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: dangerdoc

Let’s see where you’re at in a month, then we’ll know ...


23 posted on 10/20/2009 10:10:41 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
The H1N1 that was supposedly tested via a mock vaccine and some that will be made in china

Can you point me at a reference? By the way, you know why the vaccine is not produced in America? Hillary Clinton drove the commercial manufacturers out of business.

I am not trying to convince folks either way. I only want them to make an informed decision not one based on innuendo and rumor.

24 posted on 10/20/2009 10:11:58 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: Ben Mugged; Scythian

Dr. Scythian obviously has a doctorate in pharmacology like my spouse.

The difference is that he printed his from the internet.

I hear he’s also a reverend and has his MBA.


25 posted on 10/20/2009 10:13:10 AM PDT by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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To: Ben Mugged
Can you point me at a reference?

No, I wont, it's rediculous that folks aren't aware of this information yet are running to get injected, google is your friend. 1) One of the manufacturers of the 5 that make the vaccines is a Chinese company in China 2) They didn't have time to test the actual vaccine, so they did mock testing, that's a fact. Now, when you consider that Baxter sent the live virus to something like 18 countries (it was the bird flu I think they were all worried about too) to be used that is frightening. One of the countries discovered it thankfully and saved a massive pandemic from occuring, and that this year, testing matters ...
26 posted on 10/20/2009 10:16:54 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Ben Mugged; Scythian

Dr. Scythian.

FWIW - I work in clinical trials for a global company.


27 posted on 10/20/2009 10:21:19 AM PDT by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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To: Ben Mugged

Getting the shot myself as soon as I can find a dose of it.


28 posted on 10/20/2009 10:22:23 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: nutmeg
"A few days or a week later"

I am hardly an expert and you should by no means take this as a fact but it is my understanding that it takes a least a week for the flu vaccine to be effective. I also understand that there is a lag time between the time you "catch" the flu and become symptomatic so there's a good chance (if the above is true) that you already had the flu when you got the shot.

I mention this because the same thing happened to me many years ago so I dropped getting the shot. Then after having the flu for a couple of years in a row I started the shots again, getting them as early in the season as they were available, and haven't had the flu since.

I understand your decision and by no means am I trying to change your mind, I only mention this just in case you want to do more research because yeow, those couple of cases of flu I had were brutal and it took me weeks before I got back to whatever passes for normal for me.

29 posted on 10/20/2009 10:23:54 AM PDT by Proud_texan (Scare people enough and they'll do anything.)
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To: Scythian

I’ll be here, I’ve received the flu vaccine every year for the last 25 years.


30 posted on 10/20/2009 10:46:32 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: nutmeg

The flu shot cannot give you the flu, on the other hand, it takes a few weeks to build up the protective antibodies.

It sounds like bad timing.


31 posted on 10/20/2009 10:48:21 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Kakaze

How were your symptoms?

I never get sick - never had the flu (nor the flu shot), colds never settle in (I may have a day of post nasal drip/sore throat that goes away), rarely get stomach illnesses, or if I do they are more mild than the rest of my family, so my immune system is great.

Anyway, that said, about a month ago I got a bad sore throat, slight fever (I never have a fever either), lots of fatigue for a couple days running, and the sore throat turned into a horrendous mostly dry cough that lasted for several weeks. I STILL have a cough - feel fine, but traces of the cough and some slight mucus remain. And I never got congested in my face.

Weirdest few weeks I’ve ever had with regard to illness. So I’m curious as to what it actually was (I didn’t go to the dr). I’ve joked that it was swine flu, but maybe it was. :)


32 posted on 10/20/2009 10:50:16 AM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace
How sick you feel with an infection is directly related to the strength of the immune reaction, not the virus itself.

On one hand not getting sick with the viruses is a blessing, on the other hand, people who never feel sick are statistically at slightly higher risk for cancer.

I kind of get a kick out of all the products to “build up the immune system”, if they were actually making the immune system more potent, they would cause more symptoms with the inevitable viral infections which we all get.

Based on your description, I would not be surprised in the least if you did have the flu.

33 posted on 10/20/2009 10:57:49 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: agrace
Agrace, I normally will have a day with fever, break it 3 or 4 times and ge tup the next morning with no problems.

This year I had 3 days of flu, even my fingers hurt, then a week with no symptoms and felt fine.

Now a deep cough but no fever, from what I understand it is the secondary fever you have to watch for.

Now I am 43 ,in the bracket to get this severely, my flight surgeon ( 75)told me , I'm the prime target for this, the emergency rooms and ICU in NM are full........half are pre-existing the other half, the sickest half are like me.

My wife, who is older has only the cough.

I hope this helps.

34 posted on 10/20/2009 11:01:16 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Ben Mugged

I won’t take either.


35 posted on 10/20/2009 11:14:15 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Kakaze

It does help, thank you. I’d be curious to know how long your cough lasts. If mine is the same, deep is certainly a good word for it. I have read that lots of H1N1 patients have lingering coughs. I’m 41 and in that same bracket, but maybe my immune system saved me from the worst of things like usual.

And speaking of age brackets, my 6 & 8 yr old didn’t get sick at all, my 12 yr old coughed for several days, but my husband got pretty sick, felt bad longer, and still has traces of cough too.

Maybe it WAS H1N1. Although even if I could check at this point, I hear that they’re seeing so many cases that they’re not doing the specific test anymore.


36 posted on 10/20/2009 12:05:41 PM PDT by agrace
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To: dangerdoc
...on the other hand, people who never feel sick are statistically at slightly higher risk for cancer.

That's a little disconcerting. :) Has anyone investigated why that might be?

37 posted on 10/20/2009 12:09:12 PM PDT by agrace
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To: All

Epidemic Influenza And Vitamin D

 

38 posted on 10/20/2009 12:17:07 PM PDT by granite ("We dare not tempt them with weakness" - JFK)
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To: All

Epidemic Influenza And Vitamin D

 

39 posted on 10/20/2009 12:17:07 PM PDT by granite ("We dare not tempt them with weakness" - JFK)
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To: agrace

The same type of immune reaction that makes you ill with a virus is involved in killing cells that are turning malignant. The effect is minimal, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.

The professor was talking about it as a trade off for all of those days in misery with colds.


40 posted on 10/20/2009 12:37:26 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: agrace

Well, I am going to get to test out my hypothesis about your flu and the timing of your flu shot. I recieved my vaccination 1 week ago today, my son just came down with a fever and flu symptoms.

It is now a mad race between my immune system and the virus I probably have been exposed to for the last 2 days.

I’m going to be pretty bummed if I get the flu, it would be the first time since Reagan was president.


41 posted on 10/20/2009 7:48:18 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: dangerdoc
Well, I am going to get to test out my hypothesis about your flu and the timing of your flu shot.

I think you misunderstood - I've never had a flu shot.

42 posted on 10/21/2009 9:00:30 AM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace

I’m posting from my phone, I thought you were the one that got the flu a couple of days after getting the vaccine. My mistake.


43 posted on 10/21/2009 9:25:55 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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