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Ending death penalty could save US millions: study
AFP / Yahoo News ^ | Oct 20, 2009 | by Lucile Malandain

Posted on 10/20/2009 2:32:26 PM PDT by backtothestreets

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Even when executions are not carried out, the death penalty costs US states hundreds of millions of dollars a year, depleting budgets in the midst of economic crisis, a study released Tuesday found.

"It is doubtful in today's economic climate that any legislature would introduce the death penalty if faced with the reality that each execution would cost taxpayers 25 million dollars, or that the state might spend more than 100 million dollars over several years and produce few or no executions," argued Richard Dieter, director of the Death Penalty Information Center and the report's author.

"Surely there are more pressing needs deserving funding," he wrote, noting that execution was rated among the least effective crime deterrents.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crime; deathpenalty; deterrent; obama
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Despite what the study claims, the death penalty is absolutely the most effective deterrent used to keep a murderer from committing another murder or serious bodily crime. If not, someone needs to provide actual numbers and case studies of murderers that have repeated the crime of murder after being executed.
1 posted on 10/20/2009 2:32:27 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: backtothestreets

Actually implementing the death penalty would save millions. These killers live better on death row then the families they killed.

We need to put in a death penalty fast-track.


2 posted on 10/20/2009 2:34:49 PM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: backtothestreets

$100mm is a drop in the bucket compared to Obama’s family travel and constant campaigning and fundraising at taxpayers expense, and put to a much better use.


3 posted on 10/20/2009 2:35:01 PM PDT by justapicker (I don't want the cheese, I just want out of the trap)
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To: backtothestreets

Putting a bullet in every person convicted of murder, rape, and molestation of children instead of providing shelter and meals every day would too.


4 posted on 10/20/2009 2:35:10 PM PDT by MNlurker
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To: backtothestreets

Legal reform that keeps spcial interest groups from stonewalling executions would save millions.


5 posted on 10/20/2009 2:35:15 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: backtothestreets

Carrying them out could save a bunch too...


6 posted on 10/20/2009 2:35:25 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: backtothestreets

Idiots. If they wanted a “more effective” deterrent, then they might support torture or castration. This is not about deterrence, it’s about moral relativism.


7 posted on 10/20/2009 2:35:35 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: backtothestreets

If they would simply carry out the sentences in a timely fashion, hundreds of millions would be saved.


8 posted on 10/20/2009 2:35:43 PM PDT by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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To: backtothestreets

Save criminals but kill grandma on Ocare. Charming.


9 posted on 10/20/2009 2:36:00 PM PDT by rintense
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To: backtothestreets

Nope...put them against the wall 20 minutes after the trial and you will have justice. God will sort them out if there is a mistake.....


10 posted on 10/20/2009 2:36:53 PM PDT by Shamrock-DW
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To: backtothestreets

The conjecture of this supposed “study” goes beyond the pale. How myriad legal machinations and ploys for a few years outweighs to cost of housing and feeding murderers is a puzzle. The only good thing I see in deleting the death penalty is that another effing lawyer will have to go chase ambulances instead of camping out at prison electric chairs. The benefit of frying, however, in my mind far outweighs the downside of a potential eventual release of a madman. MARK MY WORDS....OBAMA WILL EVENTUALLY RELEASE CHARLES MANSON!


11 posted on 10/20/2009 2:37:13 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: backtothestreets
Execute the cons as decided by the courts instead of all the delays. Here in CA. there has not been an execution in years.
12 posted on 10/20/2009 2:37:18 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: edcoil

Yep. In Texas they stay on death row for about 5 years. In Tennessee, they stay on death row until they die of natural causes. Who has the greatest cost?


13 posted on 10/20/2009 2:37:27 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: backtothestreets

Some things are worth paying for.


14 posted on 10/20/2009 2:37:31 PM PDT by agooga (Struggling every day to be worthy of their sacrifice.)
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To: backtothestreets
Who in the hell can somebody state that ending the death penalty could save money. Feeding ,housing,medical bills keeping the vermin alive for 50 years or more building prisons etc. If found guilty or murder give the vermin 1 appeal then shot the SOB I will volunteer to pull the trigger and I will also supply the ammo.
15 posted on 10/20/2009 2:37:47 PM PDT by bikerman (Buck Farack)
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To: backtothestreets

It’s just one shocking study or report after another. Now it turns out an organization that opposes the death penalty says we could save tons of cash by doing away with it. We know how those death row feel about it, let’s get the take from the families of victims.

I agree it’s a most effective deterrent, but even if it were shown incontrovertibly that it had absolutely NO deterrent effect whatsoever, I would still support it. After all, it’s not called capital deterrent, it’s called capital punishment. If it serves as a deterrent then just that much better. Serendipity is always a nice surprise!


16 posted on 10/20/2009 2:38:22 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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To: jwparkerjr

No death row for murderers and rapists, but death panels for those over 65.


17 posted on 10/20/2009 2:39:27 PM PDT by rintense
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To: backtothestreets
Even when executions are not carried out, the death penalty costs US states hundreds of millions of dollars a year...

No, this is the damnable lie supported by those who wish to see a breakdown of our society.

What costs money, is the ACLU and an absolute army of other groups that simply refuse to allow justice to take it's natural course.

I approve of some appeals, so don't get me wrong. I don't support endless delays of justice for anything more than five years. These twenty and thirty year delays in the executions that have been deemed justified, are a travesty of justice.

We actually have hearings for people like Charles Manson and Sirhan Sirhan too. Should they be let go or not? Well, we could claim millions in costs to the state to justify letting them lose too. No. Let the executions begin. The victims families deserve to see justice carried out.

18 posted on 10/20/2009 2:39:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: edcoil

Funny, the only fast tracked death penalty case in the past quarter century was Tim McVeigh.


19 posted on 10/20/2009 2:39:34 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: backtothestreets

I’d be willing to give up the death penalty if they’d give up on abortion.


20 posted on 10/20/2009 2:40:35 PM PDT by Ralph the Hun
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To: backtothestreets

Ron White on the death penalty

http://comedians.comedycentral.com/ron-white/videos/ron-white-—death-penalty


21 posted on 10/20/2009 2:41:54 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The greatest cost? Us in California that virtually never implements the penalty.


22 posted on 10/20/2009 2:42:03 PM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: backtothestreets
"Texas has the death penalty and we use it! Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty. My state's putting in an express lane."


23 posted on 10/20/2009 2:42:03 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Joe Wilson speaks for me.)
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To: backtothestreets

Anybody convicted of murder should be given only one appeal
then given a lie detector test along with truth serum.
If they fail either test, increase the amount of truth serum
until they are dead.
This might clear the very few people wrongly convicted and
might clear up some old murders and felonies.

Lawyers (Liars) will hate this idea because they couldn’t
make as much money off the tax payers.


24 posted on 10/20/2009 2:42:08 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: rintense
Save criminals but kill grandma on Ocare. Charming.

It won't take the Death Panels long to figure out one bullet to the brain will be the cheapest way to kill grandma.

Oh wait,,, perhaps gas chambers are cheaper!

25 posted on 10/20/2009 2:45:42 PM PDT by TYVets (Let's Roll!!! The leadership of the GOP has no spine and no guts, but we conservatives do)
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To: backtothestreets

I have a better idea. Let’s outsource our death penalty to China. We try them, we sentence them, we ship’em to China and they execute them. Win, win, win......


26 posted on 10/20/2009 2:47:06 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: backtothestreets

it would also save money if we convict them, give them one appeal, and if they lose that ONE appeal, execute them within 60 days. always allow dna evidence and a top notch attorney that way no one can say they got the shaft. this nonsense of keeping murderers alive on death row for years and years is stupid.


27 posted on 10/20/2009 3:01:52 PM PDT by madamemayhem (defeat isn't getting knocked down, it's not getting back up)
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To: backtothestreets
If the death penalty is eliminated the ACLU and gang will just fight the next battle: life sentences without parole are cruel and unusual. Every time one is given they will send dozens of lawyers into court filing appeal after appeal, and then filing more appeals because the first appeals were incompentently handled. After than they will write articles stating that every life sentence without parole costs the state tens of millions of dollars fighting the appeals.
28 posted on 10/20/2009 3:06:16 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Soon everyone will win a Nobel Peace Prize for not being George Bush...well, except for George Bush.)
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I've heard one suggestion is that in every death penalty case have the appeals judge sit and observe the trial so he knows what actually happened rather than what some shyster lawyer claims happened in the court room five years after the fact.
29 posted on 10/20/2009 3:07:50 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Soon everyone will win a Nobel Peace Prize for not being George Bush...well, except for George Bush.)
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To: backtothestreets

Michigan abolished the death penalty in 1846.

Must be why they are in such outstanding fiscal shape, eh?


30 posted on 10/20/2009 3:14:15 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

2 appeals or 3 years, whichever comes 1st. then you die- simple.

I figure if DNA proof is good enough to free someone on “death row” in a month or less (like they have on the “Innocence Project”), it should likewise be good enough to execute someone in a month.


31 posted on 10/20/2009 3:15:50 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: backtothestreets

If we cut back on all the useless appeals and lawsuits and fired half the judges, we’d save a bundle.


32 posted on 10/20/2009 3:16:20 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
I figure if DNA proof is good enough to free someone on “death row” in a month or less (like they have on the “Innocence Project”), it should likewise be good enough to execute someone in a month.

I'm not as comfortable with that approach as I once was.

Having dealt with overzealous or outright corrupt LEOs and prosecutors, and given the number of cases where they have flat out targeted the wrong guy and forced the evidence to fit their theories... I'm not quite so gung-ho about it.

Oh, and planting DNA evidence isn't very hard either, if someone was inclined to do such a thing.

Determining guilt remains a mostly difficult and error-prone task.

33 posted on 10/20/2009 3:22:37 PM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: backtothestreets

I guess I misread the headline.

I thought they were talking about abortion.


34 posted on 10/20/2009 3:23:11 PM PDT by zipper
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To: Uncle Hal

When was the last execution? Tookie Williams,right?

Speaking from personal experience on dealing with the death penalty. I know what goes on and all of the delays. What was unreal were all the protesters at the execution I witnessed. I wanted to turn the prison fire hose on those b*stards. They have no idea what my family went through at the hands of that miserable piece of sh*t. Eventually good ol’ Texas justice came through and he paid for what he did.

These slap d*cks have never experienced what I went through. Go through it and then let’s have a conversation.


35 posted on 10/20/2009 3:23:36 PM PDT by cups
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To: backtothestreets
argued Richard Dieter, director of the Death Penalty Information Center and the report's author.

The DPIC is an anti-death penalty site. It habitually cherry picks and cooks data to support its goal of mercy for the most obscene evildoers in society.

36 posted on 10/20/2009 3:23:44 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Truth--The liberal's Kryptonite)
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Yes, we need to get rid of the death penalty because that worked out so well. /s

Richard Speck, the murderer of many pretty nursing students, managed to enjoy his cocaine in prison because the barbaric death penalty was revoked. As Richard Speck said in a film that came out after his fatal heart attack, if they [the authorities] knew how much fun I'm having in here they'd let me out.

Also, there's Charles Manson whose life was saved by the elimination of the death penalty. With no death penalty, this seasoned con adapts well to the only place he claims gives him security and he can call home. And let's not forget his soldier, the late Susan Atkins, the person who physically murdered of Sharon Tate. Susan managed to marry twice and get a degree. All of this because the barbaric death penalty was nullified by the Supreme Court back in 1972. /s

37 posted on 10/20/2009 3:26:16 PM PDT by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: backtothestreets

Okay, I’ll go for no death penalty if we can get some vigilantes to hang them before the trial.


38 posted on 10/20/2009 3:30:10 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
I'm all for Texas Justice, but I think as a practical and realistic matter, whenever the death penalty is imposed, ALL evidence should immediately be impounded and a federal panel of special investigators review it thoroughly. Too many Nifongs in the prosecutorial weeds to trust some sadsack's life to the likes of them.

A DNA test should ALWAYS be performed in capital cases, whenever at all possible, since it is far more conclusive than any other currently recognized class of evidence. This would cost a few thousands instead of millions and achieve the putative end of justice being done.

If a prosecutor, cop, technician, forensic "expert," or any other actor is found to have suppressed exculpatory evidence, as with the Nifong scumbag, severe imprisonment should be imposed on the perp. This reform would have a salutary effect not only on the individaul case but on the system at large.

It will never happen.

39 posted on 10/20/2009 3:35:27 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Truth--The liberal's Kryptonite)
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To: Yo-Yo
"Texas has the death penalty and we use it! Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty. My state's putting in an express lane."

"If you come to Texas and kill somebody,we will kill you back! That's our policy"

40 posted on 10/20/2009 3:38:24 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: backtothestreets

Yet another unbiased article from AP that only cites one side of an argument.


41 posted on 10/20/2009 3:38:37 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: backtothestreets

Sure executions are expensive....after 20+ years of appeals, and such.

The execution itself may only cost a few thousand dollars to pay the time for the personnel present.

Limit the appeals to one appeal after conviction. If your rights weren’t violated then the execution should proceed the next day unless that day is Sunday, in which case it will proceed on Monday.

But after Tookie Williams sits in jail for 23 years (longer than his victim(s) were alive in total) before he’s executed of course it’s expensive. Fifty zillion appeals on every idiotic grounds...screw that.


42 posted on 10/20/2009 3:42:44 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats: the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy and Sedition)
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To: Gaffer
MARK MY WORDS....OBAMA WILL EVENTUALLY RELEASE CHARLES MANSON!

I know you're right....it's a frightening prospect, but Charlie will not die in jail like he should.

Maybe we can put Roman Polanski in as Charlie's cellmate.

43 posted on 10/20/2009 3:47:17 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats: the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy and Sedition)
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To: backtothestreets

The reason so many death sentences are overturned is because of liberal judges in blue states. Red state judges (many of whom are elected) uphold death sentences 90% of the time. The way to get around this problem is for blue states to elect their judges. Then the tendency of liberal judges to impose their anti-death penalty views on a powerless population will recede, since these would-be dictators-for-life can be tossed out on their rear ends by the voters in the next electoral cycle.


44 posted on 10/20/2009 3:50:43 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: backtothestreets

Do the extra appeals in death-penalty cases cause any innocent people to be exonerated? If so, why not apply them also to people who are sentenced to lengthy or lifetime prison terms? And if not, why bother with them at all?

Wrongful convictions are a problem, to be sure, but someone who dies in prison after rotting there 30 years has his life destroyed just as effectively as someone who is executed a year after conviction. Nothing is done about government officials who knowingly withhold evidence or otherwise act to unjustly convict innocent people. I understand that eliminating the near absolute immunity such people enjoy would open the door to many frivolous lawsuits, but I think it’s pretty clear that grants of absolute immunity often corrupt absolutely.


45 posted on 10/20/2009 3:51:55 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: backtothestreets

Have all executions within 30 days of sentencing would save a whole lot more!


46 posted on 10/20/2009 3:52:24 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Uncle Hal

I dont mind paying, just speed up the appeals process. There is just no way appeals should take 10 to 15 years. Years ago, even in the liberal bastion of NY, executions took place in 6 weeks to 2 months!


47 posted on 10/20/2009 3:52:47 PM PDT by mono
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To: edcoil
"We need to put in a death penalty fast-track."

I agree...there's no reason to have 20+ years of Appeals (except to line Lawyers' pockets).

BUT, you will incur the rath of those who claim that innocent will be executed if thorough investigations/appeals are not exhausted.

48 posted on 10/20/2009 4:00:24 PM PDT by traditional1 ("don't gots to worry 'bout no mo'gage. Don't gots to buy no gas...Obama, he gonna take care o' me")
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To: traditional1

rath=wrath


49 posted on 10/20/2009 4:00:53 PM PDT by traditional1 ("don't gots to worry 'bout no mo'gage. Don't gots to buy no gas...Obama, he gonna take care o' me")
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thorough investigations are suppose to be done for the trial that got them convicted in the first place. I’d then say five years for appeals then their done.


50 posted on 10/20/2009 4:08:05 PM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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