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Do Elite Private Colleges Discriminate Against Asian Students?
US News & World Report ^ | 7 October 2009 | Kim Clark

Posted on 10/20/2009 4:24:19 PM PDT by Bob017

A recent study of the applicants to seven elite colleges in 1997 found that Asian students were much more likely to be rejected than seemingly similar students of other races. Also, athletes and students from top high schools had admissions edges, as did low-income African-Americans and Hispanics.

Translating the advantages into SAT scores, study author Thomas Espenshade, a Princeton sociologist, calculated that African-Americans who achieved 1150 scores on the two original SAT tests had the same chances of getting accepted to top private colleges in 1997 as whites who scored 1460s and Asians who scored perfect 1600s...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: admissions; affirmativeaction; asianamericans; highereducation; preferences
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1 posted on 10/20/2009 4:24:21 PM PDT by Bob017
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How can the case for Asians be made without implicating the policies that favor blacks & hispanics?

Never mind, I'm sure the media and academia will find a way to blame white racism.

2 posted on 10/20/2009 4:27:49 PM PDT by skeeter (Pterocarya fraxinifolia)
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One question I would ask is, “Are Asian student more likely to cheat in groups than other students?”

I know from my experience that the communal expectations of many international Asian students seems to help excuse their cheating while attending US institutions. The general excuse I’ve heard? Domestic students have an unfair advantage because English is their native language.


3 posted on 10/20/2009 4:29:17 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (There is no "gray area" on issues. See things from both sides, but choose the right side.)
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To: Bob017; Landru; mkjessup
My brother used to work for a university with a bowling alley. I'll never forget him telling me a bunch of new Chinese students went bowling and they thought they bought the rented shows for 75 cents. He said you could see rented bowling alley shoes all over the university.......lol
4 posted on 10/20/2009 4:29:42 PM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: Bob017

Asians have shown that they are good at PREPARING for tests.

Here in New York City, I see lots of SAT preparation review schools.

If you ever come here, I invite you to visit a few of them and count the PERCENTAGE of Asian students attending them compared to blacks, Hispanics and Whites....

You’ll be surprised (or won’t be as the case may be) to see that almost 90% of the attendees are Asians.

Blacks and Hispanics are almost non-existent in these classes.


5 posted on 10/20/2009 4:35:01 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (wH)
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To: Bob017

Asians have shown that they are good at PREPARING for tests.

Here in New York City, I see lots of SAT preparation review schools.

If you ever come here, I invite you to visit a few of them and count the PERCENTAGE of Asian students attending them compared to blacks, Hispanics and Whites....

You’ll be surprised (or won’t be as the case may be) to see that almost 90% of the attendees are Asians.

Blacks and Hispanics are almost non-existent in these classes.


6 posted on 10/20/2009 4:35:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (wH)
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To: ConservativeMind

Cheating on the SAT is rather difficult, unlike cheating in a class. The East Asian kids work harder than others.


7 posted on 10/20/2009 4:37:26 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: SeekAndFind

How much scope is there to improve through SAT prep(i’m not from the US)?


8 posted on 10/20/2009 4:43:40 PM PDT by Bob017
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To: SeekAndFind

I have several anecdotal instances of my sons asian friends who
spent their Saturday mornings at Kumon or Huntington doing
loads of prep for test taking. They did not do sports.
My kids were always playing football or baseball or basketball
on Saturdays.


9 posted on 10/20/2009 4:44:08 PM PDT by gussiefinknottle (woof!woof!woof!)
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To: skeeter

“How can the case for Asians be made without implicating the policies that favor blacks & hispanics?

Never mind, I’m sure the media and academia will find a way to blame white racism.”

Well the ironic thing is that while they are discriminating in favour of two minority groups, they are also discriminating against another minority. It’s a very contradictory racial spoils system.


10 posted on 10/20/2009 4:46:28 PM PDT by Bob017
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To: gussiefinknottle

At my kids high school, the Asians sit together at lunch and study. My kids and their friends just don’t get that. It makes me laugh. Asians don’t seem to be quite as social.


11 posted on 10/20/2009 4:47:41 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Bob017
Tough.


• Asian Americans voted for Barack Obama by a 3 to 1 margin, with a majority registered as Democrats.

http://www.aaldef.org/article.php?article_id=403

12 posted on 10/20/2009 4:58:22 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Hear us, O Bama: Mmm, mmm, mmm.)
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Here in CA. the Asians make up about 40% of the students at the various UC campuses while they are only around 10% of the general population.
13 posted on 10/20/2009 4:58:37 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: achilles2000

That makes it all the more bizarre that they often have test banks available for the next years’ transfers to study from.


14 posted on 10/20/2009 5:02:47 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (There is no "gray area" on issues. See things from both sides, but choose the right side.)
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To: dandiegirl

“At my kids high school, the Asians sit together at lunch and study.”

I think there can definitely be cultural differences in attitudes to study. I attended high school & university in NZ & generally the asian students were pretty diligent (a fair few had english as a second language).

One the other hand I had a room mate from Hong Kong who did very little work, played rugby and would come out drinking all the time.


15 posted on 10/20/2009 5:05:23 PM PDT by Bob017
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To: Uncle Hal

“Here in CA. the Asians make up about 40% of the students at the various UC campuses while they are only around 10%
of the general population.”

Would that be because of Proposition 209 banning race preferences?


16 posted on 10/20/2009 5:07:15 PM PDT by Bob017
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Yes they absolutely do. And some of them will even admit it.


17 posted on 10/20/2009 5:11:40 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sarah Palin -- I love her because she freaks out all the right people.)
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To: Bob017
At my kids high school, the Asians sit together at lunch and study. My kids and their friends just don’t get that. It makes me laugh. Asians don’t seem to be quite as social.

You'll not get a straight story out of Admissions people, unless they speak in private in hushed tones. Then you'll hear the "boring" rap--that Asians are underrepresented when it comes to adding to campus atmosphere and energy.

Stanford undergraduate is nearly 25-29% Asian. You can take a look at a crowd shot of the student section at a Stanford football game,and Asian's don't make up one in four. So too for other campus energy type events. The library might be a different story.

18 posted on 10/20/2009 5:13:16 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Uncle Hal
the Asians make up about 40% of the students at the various UC campuses while they are only around 10% of the general population.

Jokes on Campus circles : MIT stands for Made In Taiwan; UCLA stands for University of Caucasians Lost among Asians. UCI (UC Irvine ) stands for University of Chinese Immigrants :)
19 posted on 10/20/2009 5:19:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (wH)
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Hispanics were twice as likely to win admission as whites. African-Americans were at least five times as likely to be accepted as whites [with equal qualifications].

No matter. Race hustlers will continue to insist that the cards are stacked against these populations.

20 posted on 10/20/2009 5:24:21 PM PDT by freespirited (Liberals are only liberal about sex & drugs. Otherwise, they want to control your life. --DHorowitz)
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