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Did the NRA really endorse Scozzafava for Congress (NY-23) ?
NRA sites | 10-18-09 | Dangus

Posted on 10/20/2009 6:47:42 PM PDT by dangus

Is the National Rifle Association ashamed of its own endorsement, or are the media lying to us once again? I was stunned to read that the N.R.A. endorsed pro-gay, pro-abortion, climate alarmist, socialist Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava for Congress in the special, off-year election in New York's 23rd district. The N.R.A. is pro-gun rights, not (necessarily) conservative, but a moderate Democrat helps the N.R.A. maintain its nonpartisan status and reputation more than supporting a liberal Republican. On the other hand, the media widely reported that the N.R.A. endorsed former Vermont governor and Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean. The reality is that the N.R.A. merely gave Dean high grades, but did not endorse him over any other candidate.

Trying to find the truth, I visited the web sites of the National Rifle Association, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund and the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action. On the latter two sites, I found endorsements in the Virginia, and New Jersey governors' races, as well as many local endorsements in Oklahoma. No mention of any endorsement in NY 23rd.

If you live in the area, please your local N.R.A. chapter for confirmation. If they deny it, complain to the local newspapers about this misinformation. If they confirm, be sure to register your disapproval however you see fit.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2009endorsements; banglist; dangus; nra; ny2009; ny23; ny23rd

1 posted on 10/20/2009 6:47:43 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Heck of a propaganda piece.


2 posted on 10/20/2009 6:53:29 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: dangus

As far as I can tell, the NRA has endorsed no one in that election.


3 posted on 10/20/2009 6:57:36 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

GOP is a dumb party


4 posted on 10/20/2009 7:00:13 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: dangus

I would not doubt it. They endorsed that Kirsten Gillibrand lady who turned on them. They endorsed Jack “Our military’s back is broken” Murtha.

The NRA has to work on their endorsements.

Whats the point of endorsing someone who “has a good pro-gun” record if they spend 99% of their supporting legislation and organizations that work against gun rights?


5 posted on 10/20/2009 7:02:00 PM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: dangus

I can’t imagine why they would give high marks or endorse these people. It amazes me.

These people will fund ACORN, Planned Parentood, PBS, NPR, Teachers Union, AARP etc etc

What are those groups positions on guns?

But yet the NRA doesn’t consider funding them to be negatives on their scorecard?


6 posted on 10/20/2009 7:04:32 PM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: dangus
What do gays have to do with guns. I think they shoot and hunt too.
7 posted on 10/20/2009 7:08:40 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: dangus

http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/news-feeds/5518-gunpoliticsny-nra-endorses-scozzafava.html


8 posted on 10/20/2009 7:17:05 PM PDT by panaxanax (At what point will the American people finally scream out "NO MORE!!"?)
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To: scooby321

Very dumb as well. ;-)


9 posted on 10/20/2009 7:19:19 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Shooter 2.5

ping


10 posted on 10/20/2009 7:24:22 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Blood of Tyrants; dangus

Better link.

NRA Endorses Scuzzy..........

http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/18832/nra-endorses-scozzafava/

Time to re-think sending NRA dues?


11 posted on 10/20/2009 7:31:59 PM PDT by panaxanax (At what point will the American people finally scream out "NO MORE!!"?)
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To: dangus

NRA is a one trick pony — they have tunnel vision, examining NO other issue than their little, specific agenda items. They DON’T try to take acount of the “bigger issues” or how they can and WILL effect their own agendas. It’s reall quite sad. I had to stop supporting them a few years back (as did my Dad)because they endorsed Democrats that, with the exception of a couple of notable “pro-gun” statements and positions, were Statist Socialists. I’d rather support folks like the Gun Owners of America because they aren’t so fixated on their issues that they can’t REASON out the implications of Big-Governoverment rules. And, OTHER freedoms which will SURELY take our 2nd Amendment freedoms and gut what’s left of the Constitution.


12 posted on 10/20/2009 8:04:11 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: dangus

Fred Thompson issed a statement today on this election:

You’ll love what he has to say!

http://www.fredpac.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/102009NY23.mp3


The official NRA endorsement below:

Dear Assemblywoman Scozzafava:

On behalf of our four million members, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund is proud to endorse your candidacy for the U.S. House of Representatives in the special election in New York’s 23rd congressional district.

During your tenure in the New York Assembly, you have been a strong and consistent supporter of the Second Amendment. You are the only candidate in this special congressional election with a solid pro-gun legislative record.

As you know, the Second Amendment and our hunting heritage are very important to New Yorkers, and your positions on these issues demonstrate a solid commitment to the rights of law-abiding gun owners and sportsmen.

Based on your tested and proven record in the New York Assembly, as well as your responses to our federal candidate questionnaire, you have earned an “A” rating from the NRAPVF. On November 3, we urge our members, gun owners and sportsmen in New York’s 23rd congressional district to vote for you for Congress.

Good luck and we look forward to our continued relationship.

Sincerely,
Chris W. Cox
Chairman

http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/18832/nra-endorses-scozzafava/


13 posted on 10/20/2009 8:21:56 PM PDT by zipper
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To: patriot preacher
The NRA (And that's National Rifle Association, not National Republican Association) is a single issue advocacy group. The NRA does gun rights and only gun rights. They don't do the "bigger issues". That's how they came to be the most powerful, most successful advocacy group in the US. As to endorsements, they will always reward actual, pro-gun voting records, even from liberal Democrats, over promises.

14 posted on 10/20/2009 11:40:01 PM PDT by Redcloak ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: BallyBill
What do gays have to do with guns. I think they shoot and hunt too.

Speaking for myself, it's germaine because gay "rights" are not about rights nor about being homosexual. Being homosexual is between an individual and his or her conscience and God. "Gay rights" is about those who want to be openly homosexual in American culture and demand that there be no negative feedback. "Gay rights" is a bastardization of the English language because no rights are conferred; instead, rights are taken away, specifically the God-given right of all human beings to discriminate against and reject open homosexuality among them. Homosexuals should be able to be secretive or open about their choice -- and all people should have the right to embrace or reject open homosexuality as they choose in their business and private lives.

"Gay rights" is all about denying the God-given rights of others to reject open homosexuality. No rights are bestowed -- only denied.

The 2nd amendment says we have a God-given right to keep and bear arms, including guns. The NRA (to which I give financial support fairly regularly) fights against those who would remove that right. It is hypocritical and inconsistent for someone to advocate one God-given right, and to reject another. Pro-gun folks who are also pro "gay rights" are doing exactly that.

15 posted on 10/21/2009 12:39:56 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: dangus

The NRA is the most successful conservative organization in America for a reason. FOCUS. They have their job to do and they do it.


16 posted on 10/21/2009 12:45:33 AM PDT by rae4palin
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To: Tailback

If the left wants gun control and the citizens disarmed, they first have to destroy the NRA.


17 posted on 10/21/2009 3:59:50 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: dangus

Republican majority in Congress or don’t you understand the political system we have?

What do you care anyway? The active NRA members on this board have the initials in their tagline or their homepage. Nonmembers and people sitting on the sidelines don’t have the right to criticize.


18 posted on 10/21/2009 4:10:03 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: dangus
As a life member of the NRA and a conservative I spoke directly to Wayne LaPierre about his terrible decision to endorse Harry Reid over Jim Gibbons five years ago.

He answered “We have to endorse candidates who support us.”
When I countered with “On the day we see a Democrat in the White House, 70 in the Senate and 275 in the House what will they do first: out law the Republican party or take a razor blade and cut out the Second Amendment?”
He had no answer.

19 posted on 10/21/2009 5:27:40 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Shooter 2.5; dangus

“The active NRA members on this board have the initials in their tagline or their homepage.”

> When did that become a requirement? Do I have to list ALL the pro gun-rights groups I belong to?

“Nonmembers and people sitting on the sidelines don’t have the right to criticize.”

> The hell they don’t. You don’t have to be a card-carrying member to ask why the NRA endorsed someone who most likely will defect to the Dems once elected.


21 posted on 10/21/2009 5:50:13 AM PDT by panaxanax (At what point will the American people finally scream out "NO MORE!!"?)
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To: panaxanax

Bookmark for future reference.


22 posted on 10/21/2009 6:02:35 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Redcloak

The NRA (And that’s National Rifle Association, not National Republican Association) is a single issue advocacy group. The NRA does gun rights and only gun rights. They don’t do the “bigger issues”. That’s how they came to be the most powerful, most successful advocacy group in the US. As to endorsements, they will always reward actual, pro-gun voting records, even from liberal Democrats, over promises.
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I agree with you. You are right. They are a “one trick pony” as I said. But that myopic kind of tunnel vision means that they can support a candidate that looks good on their little hobby horse issue, but on all the other issues they OPPOSE freedom. Those they have endorsed often hold positions on OTHER issues that UNDERMINES their supposed dedication to the “right to keep and bear arms.” They even endorsed Harry Reid one time, for crying out loud!

If one wishes to support NRA, that’s fine. But I cannot support a candidate based on one issue — nor fund an organization with such a limited perspective on the issues at hand. There are other organizations that support the 2nd Amendment and recognize that CONSISTENT affirmation of Constitutional principles are necessary to protect our freedoms.


23 posted on 10/21/2009 9:58:18 AM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: panaxanax
Time to re-think sending NRA dues?

? No, it is not. To start with we don't know they endorsed her, Newt said that in order to justify his endorsing her. Two: the only reason you still have gun rights at all today is the NRA and it's sister organizations around the country.

24 posted on 10/21/2009 10:17:06 AM PDT by calex59
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To: panaxanax

Fine, you have to criticize if that’s what you want. You also have the right to not know what you’re writing about and using your ignorance of a subject you know nothing about. Better?

Learn about your subject by joining the NRA instead of sitting on the sidelines and doing nothing.


25 posted on 10/21/2009 4:28:01 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: jmaroneps37

The NRA endorsed Reid? Thank you for that background info on the NRA. WE are no longer sending dues.


26 posted on 10/21/2009 4:55:20 PM PDT by eleni121 (For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: patriot preacher

well worded post, you sound like you know the NRA well. a question patriot: grover norquist, the well known founder of the islamic institute, married to a muslim, a huge lobbyist, agenda setter and fund raiser for the muslim terrorist front group, C.A.I.R. is said to be a past and current NRA boardmember AND the NRA knew/knows of his terrorist enabling anti American activities and keeps him seated!!! have you heard anything about this? can this be true? is this true? I find it hard to believe.


27 posted on 10/21/2009 9:44:29 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: patriot preacher; bobby.223; Shooter 2.5; calex59

Yes, very excellent post, patriot preacher!

Some hot-heads on this thread think that you cannot question the NRA and acccuse you of being an ‘idiot’ if you do. He/she even claims that all “active members” have their memberships listed on their homepage or tagline! Another even claims to know the inner workings of Newt’s mind! Now that’s scary.

I’ll continue sending my dues to NRA, GOA, SAF, NYS Rifle & Pistol Assn., Jew for Preservation of Firearms Ownership, etc.


28 posted on 10/22/2009 1:57:28 AM PDT by panaxanax (At what point will the American people finally scream out "NO MORE!!"?)
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To: calex59

>>”To start with we don’t know they endorsed her, Newt said that in order to justify his endorsing her.”<<

Perhaps you should not try to second-guess your buddy Newt. It is a fact, as seen below:

“The Republican candidate in the race for New York’s 23rd district has received an endorsement. The National Rifle Association threw its support behind Dede Scozzafava.”

“During your tenure in the New York Assembly, you have been a strong and consistent supporter of the Second Amendment,” NRA chairman Chris Cox wrote in an endorsement letter to Scozzafava.”

“Scozzafava has two opponents in the race, Democrat Bill Owens and Conservative Doug Hoffman. The special election is set for November 3rd.”

www.fox44now.com


29 posted on 10/22/2009 2:40:12 AM PDT by panaxanax (At what point will the American people finally scream out "NO MORE!!"?)
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To: Shooter 2.5
The active NRA members on this board have the initials in their tagline or their homepage.

Huh. Guess I didn't get the memo on that. Guess I better list all my affiliations so you goobers can check my creds to post on any given subject.

NRA, GOA, RMGO JFPO.

Can I post now oh keeper of the flame?

30 posted on 10/22/2009 8:15:53 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: panaxanax

see my post 27 pan. can this possibly be true about this terrorist cair group supporter, grover norquist, sitting on the NRA’s board? and they know/knew of his anti American activities and STILL keep him on? I still can’t believe if......if it is true.


31 posted on 10/22/2009 8:57:37 AM PDT by bobby.223
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