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Posted on 10/21/2009 7:56:56 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Hoyer Says Constitution’s ‘General Welfare’ Clause Empowers Congress to Order Americans to Buy Health Insurance Wednesday, October 21, 2009 By Matt Cover

(CNSNews.com) – House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said that the individual health insurance mandates included in every health reform bill, which require Americans to have insurance, were “like paying taxes.” He added that Congress has “broad authority” to force Americans to purchase other things as well, so long as it was trying to promote “the general welfare.”

The Congressional Budget Office, however, has stated in the past that a mandate forcing Americans to buy health insurance would be an “unprecedented form of federal action,” and that the “government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States.”

Hoyer, speaking to reporters at his weekly press briefing on Tuesday, was asked by CNSNews.com where in the Constitution was Congress granted the power to mandate that a person must by a health insurance policy. Hoyer said that, in providing for the general welfare, Congress had “broad authority.”

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Uh, don't think so Steny.....
1 posted on 10/21/2009 7:56:56 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Well that should make for an interesting Supreme Court decision somewhere down the road.


2 posted on 10/21/2009 7:58:11 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Sub-Driver

I wonder if we can rely on the General Welfare clause to justify storming the Capitol building...


3 posted on 10/21/2009 7:58:25 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Bite me, Steny!


4 posted on 10/21/2009 7:59:33 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Non-Sequitur

“Well that should make for an interesting Supreme Court decision somewhere down the road.”

Sadly, somewhere down the road the SCOTUS will be packed with libs that believe this cr#p.


5 posted on 10/21/2009 7:59:49 AM PDT by Reddy
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To: Sub-Driver

How about “ensure the blessings or our LIBERTY to ourselves and our posterity”?


6 posted on 10/21/2009 8:00:43 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Sub-Driver

I think it means we are legally able to buy a B-1 bomber and take out the Congress building, White House and all those Cabinet buildings.

Isn’t that the real meaning of the “General welfare” clause?


7 posted on 10/21/2009 8:00:57 AM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

Hoyer is an idiot.


8 posted on 10/21/2009 8:01:01 AM PDT by cvq3842 (A fool and his liberty are soon parted.)
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To: April Lexington

Funny you mentioned that, I was thinking something very similar...


9 posted on 10/21/2009 8:01:51 AM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: Sub-Driver

He really needs to read Federalist 41.


10 posted on 10/21/2009 8:01:52 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: marstegreg

“Liberty” and “freedom” are not in the Democrats’ vocabulary.


11 posted on 10/21/2009 8:02:16 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I hope we aren’t going to depend on SCOTUS.

I am sure SoSo will fall in line with her masters.


12 posted on 10/21/2009 8:02:18 AM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: April Lexington

At the 9/12 march on the capital last month, one of the more popular signs read;

.....WE CAME UN-ARMED; this time


13 posted on 10/21/2009 8:02:24 AM PDT by maine yankee
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To: Sub-Driver
Tell it to the judge[s].

What an insufferable ass....

14 posted on 10/21/2009 8:02:31 AM PDT by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09!)
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To: Sub-Driver

some of us would lean toward the enemies foreign and domestic “clause!”


15 posted on 10/21/2009 8:03:07 AM PDT by gunnyg (Just An Old Gunny ~ And Still Not A F'en Commie Basterd!)
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To: cvq3842
Hoyer is an idiot.

He's in good company.

16 posted on 10/21/2009 8:03:08 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Sub-Driver
"Hoyer Says Constitution’s ‘General Welfare’ Clause Empowers Congress to Order Americans to Buy Health Insurance"

What a dumba$$! The Constution enumerates EXACTLY what is meant be "general welfare" that Congress is to provide and it does NOT include health insurance!

Article I Section 8

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the 
several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform 
Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United 
States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign 
Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the 
Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by 
securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the 
exclusive Right to their respective Writings and 
Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the 
high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and 
make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money 
to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land 
and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the 
Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel 
Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the 
Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be 
employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to 
the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, 
and the Authority of training the Militia according to the 
discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, 
over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, 
by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of 
Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United 
States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places 
purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in 
which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, 
Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful 
Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for 
carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other 
Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the 
United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.


17 posted on 10/21/2009 8:03:17 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Non-Sequitur

Supreme Court has already ruled that the preamble to the Constitution doesn’t mandate any services.


18 posted on 10/21/2009 8:03:27 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Sub-Driver

What if the cost is beyond a person’s means? Would a person be forced to choose between buying staples such as food or paying utility bills in order to make this demand? Is that the role of government? I could see homelessness increasing.


19 posted on 10/21/2009 8:03:32 AM PDT by wmposh
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To: marstegreg

Not “Ensure”...My memory is poor...I meant “secure”...Sorry


20 posted on 10/21/2009 8:03:38 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Sub-Driver
He added that Congress has “broad authority” to force Americans to purchase other things as well, so long as it was trying to promote “the general welfare.”

Bill of Attainder - ask the Brits how it worked out for them in the mid-1770s.

21 posted on 10/21/2009 8:04:30 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: Sub-Driver
One of the stated purposes of our government is indeed to “promote the general welfare”; but ONLY through the ENUMERATED powers given to the government.

This is not some abstract concept, our founders were clear that ‘promoting the general welfare’ was not a blank check of government power.

22 posted on 10/21/2009 8:05:53 AM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: GeronL
I am sure SoSo will fall in line with her masters.

I have no doubt that Sotomayor will. But then so would have Souter. The battle needs to be fought and won before one of the more rational justices needs to be replaced. So long as Obama is replacing the Ginsburgs and the Souters and the Sevens' of the court then it liberal for liberal. If he has a chance to replace an Alito or a Scalia or a Thomas then we're sunk.

23 posted on 10/21/2009 8:05:57 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Sub-Driver
Govt "health care" will enable the govt to eliminate the 2nd Amendment & ban guns since guns impact health care. And that's only the beginning of govt control of our lives from cradle to grave.

"Socialism is just the last "feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery." - Vladimir Lenin

“Medicine (health care control) is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin

24 posted on 10/21/2009 8:06:06 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Sub-Driver

I think it would promote the general welfare if he were a street cleaner rather than a legislator.


25 posted on 10/21/2009 8:06:55 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( If you have kids, you have no right of privacy that the govt can't flick off your shoulder.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Congress has “broad authority” to force Americans to purchase other things as well...

Well, I have to agree with him, they are forcing me to buy lots of ammo (at least that's what I've told my wife)

26 posted on 10/21/2009 8:07:05 AM PDT by NativeSon
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To: avacado
Yeppers! Congress can only “promote the general welfare” by exercise of its ligitimate and ENUMERATED powers, as listed in Article I section 8.
27 posted on 10/21/2009 8:08:05 AM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Maybe they will try to expand the court soon. You never know.


28 posted on 10/21/2009 8:08:05 AM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

For me, “. . . the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” makes for a better “General Welfare” imperative.

That would mean that the gu-ment is supposed to give everyone a free Glock.

Hubba Hubba!


29 posted on 10/21/2009 8:08:30 AM PDT by Macoozie (Go Sarah! Palin/Bolton 2012)
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To: Perdogg

The Supreme Court has also ruled that people can be forced to pay into Social Security. But I’m not sure that the government can force people to buy insurance from a private company. Which, I suppose, is one reason why the Democrats are so big on a public option.


30 posted on 10/21/2009 8:09:29 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Sub-Driver

The Declaration of Independence gives the people broad authority to throw off a rouge government.

Think real hard about that one Steny.


31 posted on 10/21/2009 8:12:45 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (Bread and Circuses)
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To: Sub-Driver

That is a crock of chit. They did not have such a thing as health care when the constitution was written.


32 posted on 10/21/2009 8:13:12 AM PDT by Piquaboy (Military veteran of 22 years in Navy, Air Force, and Army.)
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To: Sub-Driver

“He added that Congress has “broad authority” to force Americans to purchase other things as well, so long as it was trying to promote “the general welfare.”

O.K. Congress KNOWS national security is an important issue. So Hoyer should support requiring American citizens to purcahse military style rifles so they can help with our national defense.


33 posted on 10/21/2009 8:13:27 AM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: GeronL
I think it means we are legally able to buy a B-1 bomber and take out the Congress building, White House and all those Cabinet buildings. Isn’t that the real meaning of the “General welfare” clause?

Hmmm. *leafing* No, I think that falls under "insuring domestic Tranquility."

34 posted on 10/21/2009 8:13:45 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( If you have kids, you have no right of privacy that the govt can't flick off your shoulder.)
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Assuming the Preamble is binding authority, that sure seems like a stretch of the word "promote." Where is the best primer on the force of law of the Preamble, please?

Oh, and by the way Steny, shall we talk about the general Welfare of the unborn?

35 posted on 10/21/2009 8:14:31 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The President has borrowed more money to spend to less effect than anybody on the planet. " Steyn)
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To: Sub-Driver

In fact I don’t think the Preamble is, any way legally binding. Its just a mission statement.
Our government is getting loonier and loonier.


36 posted on 10/21/2009 8:14:32 AM PDT by Little Ray (Obama is a kamikaze president aimed at the heart of this Republic.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Sounds like Steny needs to stop by Borders and pick up a copy of “The US Constitution for Dummies”...


37 posted on 10/21/2009 8:15:03 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Sub-Driver

“Promote” and “Enforce” means two VERY DIFFERENT THINGS!

Is it the government’s job to “Enforce” the law? or “Promote” it?

By passing laws which deny freedoms, they violate the very thing that they swore to protect.

Citizens are not obligated to obey unconstitutional law.

Citizens ARE obligated by the constitution to rise up and abolish by any means necessary any government which threatens the constitution.


38 posted on 10/21/2009 8:15:29 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

This is a clear constitutional violation and usurp of unprecedented power and government control, the very thing the founding fathers wrote into the constitution to avoid!


39 posted on 10/21/2009 8:15:38 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: Sub-Driver

General Welfare = Mandatory Healthcare?

Uh... No.

Thanks for playing, though.


40 posted on 10/21/2009 8:15:54 AM PDT by paulycy (PUBLIC OPTION = PREDATORY PRICING = UNETHICAL COMPETITION.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Dems think the Federal Gov’t can force people to buy insurance but it's unconstitutional to require them to obtain an ID to vote? I bet there is leverage there.
41 posted on 10/21/2009 8:16:00 AM PDT by highlander_UW (To anger a conservative tell him a lie. To anger a liberal tell him the truth.)
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To: April Lexington
I wonder if we can rely on the General Welfare clause to justify storming the Capitol building...

After a long train of usurpations....

42 posted on 10/21/2009 8:16:00 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

lol


43 posted on 10/21/2009 8:16:02 AM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

I recall a study that found people who go to church, and more recently one that found people in “groups” have better health. By his logic congress could force people to go to church and ... well there is just no end to the things that promote the general welfare.


44 posted on 10/21/2009 8:16:10 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (The trouble with trouble is it starts out as Utopia)
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To: Sub-Driver

18 powers dumbass and Socialized Medicine is not one of them.


45 posted on 10/21/2009 8:16:15 AM PDT by CommieCutter ("You wanted the presidency, you got it, now FIX THE DAMN ECONOMY!!!!" ----YankeeReb)
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To: April Lexington

The General Welfare clause could also be used to get rid of the crooks in Washington.....like Rangle and his buddies.


46 posted on 10/21/2009 8:17:55 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Sub-Driver

The tenth Amendment seems to support the idea that the governments powers are only those that are clearly defined and all others are left to the states. It would seem to me that based on the Constitution and the 10th amendment the entitlement programs of welfare and the like should have never been taken on at the federal level. They aren’t given that power. They’ve simply assumed it on their own.


47 posted on 10/21/2009 8:18:28 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Sub-Driver
To invoke The Bard

And the youth truth, mistook misspoke by me Thee,

Pleading for a lover's fee. Abandoning the Constitutions plea

Shall we their fond pageant lies clearly see?

"Lord, what fools these mortals Democrats be!
48 posted on 10/21/2009 8:18:48 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

Steny needs to read the preamble of The Bill of Rights. Then again that might be hard to find. Last year I took the time to review four history books used at the local school districts in my area. Within the books they had the US Constitution but all were minus the preamble to the Bill of Rights. Which basically sates that the rights of the individuals are protected from the main body of the US Constitution.


49 posted on 10/21/2009 8:20:06 AM PDT by nd2bfree
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To: maine yankee

YEP! many of those signs! torches & pitchforks & ??? next time!


50 posted on 10/21/2009 8:20:55 AM PDT by RebelTXRose
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