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2012 Doomsday Not Likely, Mayans Insist
Discovery News ^ | 12 Oct 2009 | Mark Stevenson

Posted on 10/21/2009 11:40:24 AM PDT by AreaMan

2012 Doomsday Not Likely, Mayans Insist

Mark Stevenson, Associated Press

 

Oct. 12, 2009 -- Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of being bombarded with frantic questions about the Mayan calendar supposedly "running out" on Dec. 21, 2012. After all, it's not the end of the world.

Or is it?

Definitely not, the Mayan Indian elder insists. "I came back from England last year and, man, they had me fed up with this stuff."

It can only get worse for him. Next month Hollywood's "2012" opens in cinemas, featuring earthquakes, meteor showers and a tsunami dumping an aircraft carrier on the White House.

At Cornell University, Ann Martin, who runs the "Curious? Ask an Astronomer" Web site, says people are scared.

"It's too bad that we're getting e-mails from fourth-graders who are saying that they're too young to die," Martin said. "We had a mother of two young children who was afraid she wouldn't live to see them grow up."

Chile Pixtun, a Guatemalan, says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan ideas.

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A significant time period for the Mayas does end on the date, and enthusiasts have found a series of astronomical alignments they say coincide in 2012, including one that happens roughly only once every 25,800 years.

But most archaeologists, astronomers and Maya say the only thing likely to hit Earth is a meteor shower of New Age philosophy, pop astronomy, Internet doomsday rumors and TV specials such as one on the History Channel which mixes "predictions" from Nostradamus and the Mayas and asks: "Is 2012 the year the cosmic clock finally winds down to zero days, zero hope?"

It may sound all too much like other doomsday scenarios of recent decades -- the 1987 Harmonic Convergence, the Jupiter Effect or "Planet X." But this one has some grains of archaeological basis.

One of them is Monument Six.

Found at an obscure ruin in southern Mexico during highway construction in the 1960s, the stone tablet almost didn't survive; the site was largely paved over and parts of the tablet were looted.

It's unique in that the remaining parts contain the equivalent of the date 2012. The inscription describes something that is supposed to occur in 2012 involving Bolon Yokte, a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation.

However -- shades of Indiana Jones -- erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible.

Archaeologist Guillermo Bernal of Mexico's National Autonomous University interprets the last eroded glyphs as maybe saying, "He will descend from the sky."

Spooky, perhaps, but Bernal notes there are other inscriptions at Mayan sites for dates far beyond 2012 -- including one that roughly translates into the year 4772.

And anyway, Mayas in the drought-stricken Yucatan peninsula have bigger worries than 2012.

"If I went to some Mayan-speaking communities and asked people what is going to happen in 2012, they wouldn't have any idea," said Jose Huchim, a Yucatan Mayan archaeologist. "That the world is going to end? They wouldn't believe you. We have real concerns these days, like rain."

The Mayan civilization, which reached its height from 300 A.D. to 900 A.D., had a talent for astronomy.

Its Long Count calendar begins in 3,114 B.C., marking time in roughly 394-year periods known as Baktuns. Thirteen was a significant, sacred number for the Mayas, and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012.

"It's a special anniversary of creation," said David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin. "The Maya never said the world is going to end, they never said anything bad would happen necessarily, they're just recording this future anniversary on Monument Six."

Bernal suggests that apocalypse is "a very Western, Christian" concept projected onto the Maya, perhaps because Western myths are "exhausted."

If it were all mythology, perhaps it could be written off.

But some say the Maya knew another secret: the Earth's axis wobbles, slightly changing the alignment of the stars every year. Once every 25,800 years, the sun lines up with the center of our Milky Way galaxy on a winter solstice, the sun's lowest point in the horizon.

That will happen on Dec. 21, 2012, when the sun appears to rise in the same spot where the bright center of galaxy sets.

Another spooky coincidence?

"The question I would ask these guys is, so what?" says Phil Plait, an astronomer who runs the "Bad Astronomy" blog. He says the alignment doesn't fall precisely in 2012, and distant stars exert no force that could harm Earth.

"They're really super-duper trying to find anything astronomical they can to fit that date of 2012," Plait said.

But author John Major Jenkins says his two-decade study of Mayan ruins indicate the Maya were aware of the alignment and attached great importance to it.

"If we want to honor and respect how the Maya think about this, then we would say that the Maya viewed 2012, as all cycle endings, as a time of transformation and renewal," said Jenkins.

"No one who's writing in now seems to remember that the last time we thought the world was going to end, it didn't," says Martin, the astronomy webmaster. "There doesn't seem to be a lot of memory that things were fine the last time around."



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2012; doomsday; mayancalendar; mayans; morons

1 posted on 10/21/2009 11:40:24 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan

nostradamus predictions ended 1998


2 posted on 10/21/2009 11:42:00 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: AreaMan

“They” got to him.

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3 posted on 10/21/2009 11:43:07 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: AreaMan

Better get behind the hollywood hype, guys.................

4 posted on 10/21/2009 11:43:36 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Zero has more airtime than Michael Jordan...........)
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To: AreaMan

Here’s the thing, the Mayans had to stop charting things at some point. They couldn’t go into infinity. So wherever they happened to stop, people see eschatological predictions. Because, yes, people are still idiots.


5 posted on 10/21/2009 11:45:00 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: cripplecreek

“Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of being bombarded with frantic questions about the Mayan calendar supposedly “running out” on Dec. 21, 2012.”

Pixtun is a ‘Reformed’ Mayan not an Orthodox Mayan. So take his comments for what they are worth.


6 posted on 10/21/2009 11:46:21 AM PDT by Never on my watch (The lunatics are in the White House - meet me on the dark side of the Moon.)
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To: AreaMan
Dude, I have at home a calendar that ends on December 31st of this year! Game over, man! Game OVER!!!
7 posted on 10/21/2009 11:46:47 AM PDT by 50sDad (The Left cannot understand life is not in a test tube. Raise taxes, & jobs go away.)
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To: AreaMan

oh so NOW they back off from 2012, sure... ; )


8 posted on 10/21/2009 11:47:33 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: 50sDad

You should have bought one of those 18 month calendars.


9 posted on 10/21/2009 11:48:06 AM PDT by Never on my watch (The lunatics are in the White House - meet me on the dark side of the Moon.)
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To: Tublecane

My calendar ends on December 31st.


10 posted on 10/21/2009 11:48:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: AreaMan

The Mayan calender had to end at some date. Maybe 2012 was scheduled for a party, some sacrificed virgins, barbecued enemies, hallucinogens and orgies for all, and the next day, life as usual.


11 posted on 10/21/2009 11:49:56 AM PDT by pallis
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To: AreaMan
NOVA: Cracking the Maya Code is an interesting program about the deciphering of the Mayan language, and touches just barely on the calendar issue.
12 posted on 10/21/2009 11:50:53 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: AreaMan
"It's too bad that we're getting e-mails from fourth-graders who are saying that they're too young to die," Martin said. "We had a mother of two young children who was afraid she wouldn't live to see them grow up."

I know people are really really stupid, but is there really a grown woman stupid enough to write to the web matron of the "Curious? Ask an Astronomer" website and share her fears of the end of the world?

I call "you made that up" on web lady.

13 posted on 10/21/2009 11:52:11 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: cripplecreek
“They” got to him.

Yep. Sure, that's what they tell us now that they've got the Mothership safely hidden. Do Not Panic. There's Nothing To Fear. Meanwhile they're stocking the thing with their Playstations and their DVD's and their froze pizzas and microwave popcorn and their bleedin' Watney's Red Barrel...

14 posted on 10/21/2009 11:53:31 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: pallis

Ya’ know, I am more concerned about the United States ending on November 4, 2008.


15 posted on 10/21/2009 11:53:40 AM PDT by Never on my watch (The lunatics are in the White House - meet me on the dark side of the Moon.)
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To: AreaMan
I know a complete whackjob who is going to be bummed about this. She bought this Mayan 12-12-12 thing hook line and sinker.

This lady at a local pub asked me if I'd heard about it and told me to look up it up. I'd heard about it and thought it was pure Bravo Sierra, but I acted like I'd never heard of it.

Her eyes were big as saucers when she talked about it and I finally had to tell her I thought it was the funniest thing I'd ever heard.

I said funniest, because stupidest seemed like it had too much of a sting, and even though she was a whackjob, she wasn't unpleasant to look at....but a man has his limits ;)

16 posted on 10/21/2009 11:55:52 AM PDT by libs_kma (F.U.B.O.)
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To: AreaMan
Comet Strikes Increase as We Pass Through the Galactic Plane

Don't know if it's plausible or not.

17 posted on 10/21/2009 11:57:13 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: AreaMan

This 2012 crap is the biggest crock of crap since Y2k


18 posted on 10/21/2009 11:57:23 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: AreaMan

It’s true. I swear.

I saw it on TV.


19 posted on 10/21/2009 11:57:55 AM PDT by paulycy (Predatory Pricing = Public Option = Unethical Competition .)
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To: cripplecreek; 50sDad

MY calendar also ends on December 31!!!

Get. Out. The. Tinfoil.

We are doomed.

And. Its George Bush’s fault.


20 posted on 10/21/2009 12:01:36 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Mmm, mmm, mmm.)
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To: libs_kma
"Those who don't believe in God will believe anything."

Quotation attributed to G.K. Chesterton.

21 posted on 10/21/2009 12:03:27 PM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: AreaMan

Right, lets listen to the Mayan’s. Just because you can stack stones on top of each other and have fire doesn’t make you a scientific genius. They didn’t even have radio but they could predict what happens hundreds of years in the future.


22 posted on 10/21/2009 12:04:13 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: AreaMan

Well, darn...now I am thinking twice about that Royal Furniture deal with no payments until 2013.


23 posted on 10/21/2009 12:04:28 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall.)
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To: AreaMan; pissant
We're going to have to listen to this horse**it for the next 3 years.

I have a close relative who is deep into End-Of-The-World and Armageddon beliefs, and he started warning me in '06 about 2012. And I'm sure it's going to become frantic as that date approaches.

24 posted on 10/21/2009 12:05:50 PM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: AreaMan

Their calendar was round..it figures they would run of room on it at some point ...duh


25 posted on 10/21/2009 12:06:41 PM PDT by The Louiswu (I live vicariously, through myself.)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

My calendar goes up to 11. Uh wait a minute....isn’t that next month? My doom is earlier than yours!!!


26 posted on 10/21/2009 12:07:47 PM PDT by xp38
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To: theDentist

With any luck, we’ll see scads of idiots pull a Jim Jones/Marshall Applewhite for the occasion.


27 posted on 10/21/2009 12:10:51 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
This 2012 crap is the biggest crock of crap since Y2k

Y2k turned out to be an escuse to:
1. jack up IT spending and
2. start inflating the hell out of the money supply.

Not sure the reason for 2012...yet

28 posted on 10/21/2009 12:11:25 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Rush Hudson Limbaugh, Mmm Mmm Mmm)
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To: pissant

yeah, but I worry about the idiots who will decide to do in their family first to save them the horrors.


29 posted on 10/21/2009 12:14:20 PM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: AreaMan

They are making this way too complicated. There’s a simple way to tell if the world will indeed end on Dec. 21, 2012: If I win the lottery on Dec. 20, 2012, then it’s game over.


30 posted on 10/21/2009 12:14:22 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: NeoCaveman

My company and I did quite well during Y2K, even though I told my clients it was a bunch of nothing.


31 posted on 10/21/2009 12:17:37 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: theDentist

True dat


32 posted on 10/21/2009 12:23:12 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Tublecane

OMG. My checkbook calendar stops at 2012. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!!


33 posted on 10/21/2009 12:24:53 PM PDT by sportutegrl (If liberals could do math, they would be conservatives.)
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To: Red Badger

All I know is that if we have to depend on John Cusack to save the world, we are all in deep Shyte.


34 posted on 10/21/2009 12:25:11 PM PDT by ponygirl ("I can see the Olympic Stadium from my house!" - Barack Obama)
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To: pissant

Nothing wrong with leveraging opportunities when they emerge.


35 posted on 10/21/2009 12:28:30 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Rush Hudson Limbaugh, Mmm Mmm Mmm)
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To: AreaMan

Doomsday actually began this past January with the inauguration of The One. We have been doomed ever since...


36 posted on 10/21/2009 12:47:32 PM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: AreaMan

Amazing how superstituous people are.

It’s as almost as if we collectively FORGOT that a Messiah went to a cross to pay for our sins, resurrected on the 3rd day as proof of acceptance of that payment, then ascended back up to heaven— all in full view of history and everyone else.

I’m hitching my trailer to Revelation 20, over the Mayan calendar, manufactured by the evil Mayan society.


37 posted on 10/21/2009 12:50:37 PM PDT by Salvavida (Restoring the U.S.A. starts with filling the empty pew at a local Bible-believing church.)
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To: AreaMan
I'm probably going to have to see this "2012" because I have always loved those disaster films. It cannot be any worse than "Day After Tomorrow" where the whole world is frozen, and if you even step outside you are toast in a matter of seconds UNLESS...

YOU HAVE DENNIS QUAID'S AMAZING PUP TENT!


38 posted on 10/21/2009 12:55:54 PM PDT by Shelayne (Be a FR monthly donor--it is pain-free and easy-peasy lemon squeezy!)
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To: Shelayne

lol - Good point. I’ll go see it just ‘cause I’m a disaster movie junkie. Even the really lame ones they show on Saturdays on SciFi - sorry, SyFy.


39 posted on 10/21/2009 1:33:58 PM PDT by greatplains
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To: GreenHornet

The world ended January 20, 2009.


40 posted on 10/21/2009 1:39:58 PM PDT by jb257mag
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To: AreaMan
"If we want to honor and respect how the Maya think about this, then we would say that the Maya viewed 2012, as all cycle endings, as a time of transformation and renewal," said Jenkins.

Well, that describes about 0.01% of people educated beyond the second grade. The "...honor and respect what the Maya think" contingent.

41 posted on 10/21/2009 3:12:37 PM PDT by Publius6961 (…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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