Skip to comments.Spin from the BBC about Darwin (devoted to absolving Darwinism from revolutionary evolutionism)
Posted on 10/22/2009 8:31:09 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
The British Broadcasting Corporation in England has deemed it necessary to try and absolve Darwinism from any responsibility for the Holocaust and the many other atrocities committed in the name of evolutionary progress ever since Darwin published his Origin of Species in 1859. To achieve this, BBC2 produced a TV documentary entitled Darwins Dangerous Idea, written and presented by their journalist and political commentator Andrew Marr. This 3-part series...
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Ah, yes. Darwin died, when, in 1882? Yet he bears responsibility for the Holocaust. All for a basic scientific theory.
Newt Gingrich once stated the problem of evolutionism and morality about as succinctly as is possible in noting that the question of whether a man views his neighbor as a fellow child of God or as a meat byproduct of random processes simply has to affect human relationships.
Basically, every halfway honest person with any brains and talent who has taken any sort of a hard look at evolution in the past 60 years has given up on it and many have denounced it. A listing of fifty or sixty such statements makes for an overwhelming indictment of that part of the scientific community which goes on trying to defend evolution and they (the evolosers) have a favorite term ("quote mining") which they use to describe that sort of argument.
My own response to that is to note what I view as the ultimate evolution quote by the noted evolutionist (actually, FORMER evolutionist) Jeffrey Dahmer:
"If a person doesnt think there is a God to be accountable to, thenthen whats the point of trying to modify your behaviour to keep it within acceptable ranges? Thats how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing "
Jeffrey Dahmer, in an interview with Stone Phillips, Dateline NBC, Nov. 29, 1994.
Dahmer converted to Christianity before he died. The basic tenets of true religion appear to be inprinted upon most of us biologically which is the only reason that Islammic societies and "secular humanist" societies like Britain and Canada function at all. A psychopath like Dahmer is basically somebody on whom that imprint did not take. For those guys, it has to be written down somewhere, and it has to be written down accurately; the bible does that. Telling somebody like Dahmer that we all evolved from "lucky dust" is a formula for getting people killed.
Evolution was the basic philosophical cornerstone of communism, naziism, the various eugenics programs, the out of control arms races which led to WW-I and WW-II, and all of the grief of the last 150 years. Starting from 1913, Europe had gone for a hundred years without a major war. They didn't even have to think. All they needed to do was act cool, go to church, have parades, formal balls, attend board meetings, and they'd still be running the world today; they'd be so fat and happy they'd not know what to do with themselves. Instead, they all got to reading about Darwinism, fang and claw, survival of the fittest and all the rest of that nonsense, and the rest as they say is history.
The most interesting analysis of that sad tale is probably Sir Arthur Keith's "Evolution and Ethics"
Keith apparently viewed belief in evolution as some sort of duty of the English educated classes, nonetheless he had a very clear vision of the problems inherent in it and laid it out in no uncertain terms:
From Sir Srthur Keith's "Evolution and Ethics:
The Behavior of Germany Considered from an Evolutionary Point of View in 1942
....It is worth noting that Hitler uses a double designation for his tribal doctrine National Socialism: Socialism standing for the good side of the tribal spirit (that which works within the Reich); aud Nationalism for the ethically vicious part, which dominates policy at and outside the German frontiers.
The leader of Germany is an evolutionist not only in theory, but, as millions know to their cost, in the rigor of its practice. For him the national "front" of Europe is also the evolutionary "front"; he regards himself, and is regarded, as the incarnation of the will of Germany, the purpose of that will being to guide the evolutionary destiny of its people....
... "Humanitarianism is an evil . . . a creeping poison." "The most cruel methods are humane if they give a speedy victory" is Hitler's echo of a maxim attributed to Moltke. Such are the ways of evolution when applied to human affairs.
...I have said nothing about the methods employed by the Nazi leaders to secure tribal unity in Germany methods of brutal compulsion, bloody force, and the concentration camp. Such methods cannot be brought within even a Machiavellian system of ethics, and yet may be justified by their evolutionary result.
....No aspect of Hitler's policy proclaims the antagonism between evolution and ethics so forcibly as his treatment of the Jewish people in Germany.... ...Hitler is an uncompromising evolutionist, and we must seek for an evolutionary explanation if we are to understand his actions....
It must not be thought that in seeking to explain Hitler's actions I am seeking to justify them. The opposite is the case. I have made this brief survey of public policy in modern Germany with a definite object: to show that Dr. Waddington is in error when he seeks to place ethics on a scientific basis by a knowledge of evolutionary tendencies and practice.
Human Life: Its Purpose or Ultimate End
IN THE COURSE OF GATHERING INFORMATION concerning man's morality and the part it has played and is playing in his evolution, I found it necessary to provide space for slips which were labeled "Life: Its Ultimate and Proximate Purposes." Only those who have devoted some special attention to this matter are aware of the multitude of reasons given for the appearance of man on earth. Here I shall touch on only a few of them; to deal with all would require a big book. The reader may exclaim: Why deal with any of them! What has ultimate purpose got to do with ethics and evolution! Let a man with a clearer head and a nimbler pen than mine reply. He is Edward Carpenter, who wrote Civilization: Its Cause and Cure (1889).
It is from the sixteenth edition (1923) I am to quote, p. 249:
If we have decided what the final purpose or Life of Man is, then we may say that what is good for that purpose i
s finally "good" and what is bad for that purpose is finally "evil."
...If the final purpose of our existence is that which has been and is being worked out under the discipline of evolutionary law, then, although we are quite unconscious of the end result, we ought, as Dr. Waddington has urged, to help on "that which tends to promote the ultimate course of evolution." If we do so, then we have to abandon the hope of ever attaining a universal system of ethics; for, as we have just seen, the ways of national evolution, both in the past and in the present, are cruel, brutal, ruthless, and without mercy. Dr. Waddington has not grasped the implications of Nature's method of evolution, for in his summing up (Nature, 1941, 150, p. 535) he writes "that the ethical principles formulated by Christ . . . are those which have tended towards the further evolution of mankind, and that they will continue to do so." Here a question of the highest interest is raised: the relationship which exists between evolution and Christianity; so important, it seems to me, that I shall devote to it a separate chapter. Meantime let me say that the conclusion I have come to is this:
the law of Christ is incompatible with the law of evolution as far as the law of evolution has worked hitherto. Nay, the two laws are at war with each other; the law of Christ can never prevail until the law of evolution is destroyed.
All of that, of course, deals only with the question of ethics and the logical consequences of evolutionism. The fact that evolution is junk science argues against it as well.
Darwin was also responsible for HIV poisoning, which may or may not be AIDS. I still havent figured it out, but I am working my way through GGG’s list of links.
He doesn’t need to be absolved, he wasn’t responsible for the Holocaust.
What’s your position? Is “darwinism”, in your opinion, responsible for the Holocaust?
Before you ask or expect anyone to buy into another load of tripe can you cite a single instance where you, creation.com, or any other YEC organization has EVER acknowledged even a shred of credibility in anything the BBC has ever said?
Jeffrey Dahmer, the serial killer, sex offender and cannibal?!
Gee, I wish someone had told me this earlier. I don’t want people thinking that I agree with that kind of stuff/
Guilt by Association
Alias: Bad Company Fallacy, The Company that You Keep Fallacy
Type: Red Herring
I am switching to methane.
“I am switching to methane.”
You’d better start bottling it before Al Gore eliminates the bovine source of the gas.
Al Gore is a fool. He insists HIV causes AIDS and no amount of evidence to the contrary will change his mind.
In the future, please direct all questions and comments to the following:
Well, can you prove he wasnt responsible?
Not sure what you are getting at here. My issue here is with the YEC types, not with the BBC.
You are a wolf? Cool!
Ah, yes. It was Darwin's fault. Not militaristic Germans, nor totalitarian Russians. Just a lone British naturalist. And we NEVER had mass murder and carnage before Darwin came along.
Thats crazy. Everybody knows the Islamics and Commies are natural allies.
Hey, ideas are dangerous things. Only the elite (like GGG) should be allowed to have them. I think that’s a good thing. /sarc
What's your issue?
The Ark could not have been real.
I wonder if they’ll do a show on Martin Luther, who really had it in for the Jews.
The Big Bang could not have been real.
The absolute hyperbolic nonsense of assigning culpability for the Holocause on Darwin.
Ah, Europa. Known worldwide as the "Continent of Perpetual Peace" for a thousand generations. And then the dark times came. Then Darwin happened.
The ‘relationship’ that I am shedding light upon is between you and the Islamic creationists you adore; and both you and they try to excuse Islamic fundamentalism as the impetus behind the terrorist acts that Islamic fundamentalists commit under the command of an Islamic cleric- and instead ludicrously try to blame a scientific theory that neither you nor they even understand.
Gee, I wish someone had told me this earlier. I dont want people thinking that I agree with that kind of stuff/ Guilt by Association Alias: Bad Company Fallacy, The Company that You Keep Fallacy Type: Red Herring
Check out the shameless, lying fraud that is GGG here. He pretends to be a biblical Christian, yet he knowingly posts deceptive, obfuscative, and just plain false information.
It's a little understood fact, but oh so true. The global Islamo-Commie terror alliance hit its stride when the KGB created the communist PLO. Or in the words of the Chief of Romanian Intelligence under Nicolae Ceauşescu:
FP: Tell us about the PLO and its connection to the Soviet regime.
Pacepa: The PLO was dreamt up by the KGB, which had a penchant for liberation organizations. There was the National Liberation Army of Bolivia, created by the KGB in 1964 with help from Ernesto Che Guevara. Then there was the National Liberation Army of Colombia, created by the KGB in 1965 with help from Fidel Castro, which was soon deeply involved in kidnappings, hijackings, bombings and guerrilla warfare. In later years the KGB also created the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which carried out numerous bombing attacks on the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel, and the Secret Army for Liberation of Armenia, created by the KGB in 1975, which organized numerous bombing attacks against US airline offices in Western Europe.
In 1964 the first PLO Council, consisting of 422 Palestinian representatives handpicked by the KGB, approved the Palestinian National Chartera document that had been drafted in Moscow. The Palestinian National Covenant and the Palestinian Constitution were also born in Moscow, with the help of Ahmed Shuqairy, a KGB influence agent who became the first PLO chairman. (During the Six-Day War he escaped from Jerusalem disguised as a woman, thereafter becoming such a symbol within the bloc intelligence community that one of its later influence operationsaimed at making the West consider Arafat a moderatewas given the codename Shuqairy.) This new PLO was headed by a Soviet-style Executive Committee made up of 15 members who, like their comrades in Moscow, also headed departments. As in Moscowand Bucharestthe chairman of the Executive Committee became the general commander of the armed forces as well. The new PLO also had a General Assembly, which was the Soviet-inspired name given to all East European parliaments after World War II.
Based on another socialist division of labor, the Romanian espionage service (DIE) was responsible for providing the PLO with logistical support. Except for the arms, which were supplied by the KGB and the East German Stasi, everything else came from Bucharest. Even the PLO uniforms and the PLO stationery were manufactured in Romania free of charge, as a comradely help. During those years, two Romanian cargo planes filled with goodies for the PLO landed in Beirut every week, and were unloaded by Arafats men.
FP: You have discussed your personal knowledge of how Arafat was created and cultivated by the KGB and how the Soviets actually designed him to be the future leader of the PLO. Illuminate this picture for us please.
Pacepa: Tovarishch Mohammed Abd al-Rahman Abd al-Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini, nom de guerre Abu Ammar, was built into a Palestinian leader by the KGB in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day Arab-Israeli War. In that war Israel humiliated two of the Soviet Unions most important allies in the Arab world of that time, Egypt and Syria, and the Kremlin thought that Arafat could help repair the Soviet prestige. Arafat had begun his political career as leader of the Palestinian terrorist organization al-Fatah, whose fedayeen were being secretly trained in the Soviet Union. In 1969, the KGB managed to catapult him up as chairman of the PLO executive committee. Egyptian ruler Gamal Abdel Nasser, who was also a Soviet puppet, publicly proposed the appointment.
Soon after that, the KGB tasked Arafat to declare war on American imperial-Zionism during the first summit of the Black International, an organization that was also financed by the KGB. Arafat claimed to have coined the word imperial-Zionism, but in fact Moscow had invented this battle cry many years earlier, combining the traditionally Russian anti-Semitism with the new Marxist anti-Americanism.
There, fixed it for you.
Its well understood. Everybody knows it. There is nothing controversial in any of that. Have you read the secret KGB documents on AIDS?
I would expect you to be in complete support of his sleight-of-hand sophistry. Thank God you don’t teach science to other people’s kids, only your own.
I don’t anybody within Islam. I merely point out that the Islamic creationist movement tends to denounce terrorism carried out in the name of Islam. And whatever other wacky ideas they might have (and they do entertain some wacky ideas!), they are starting to see the growing alliance between revolutionary evolutionists (read: the commies) and the Islamist terrorists who murder Muslims and non-Muslims alike in the name of Islam.
This is the second day in a row where RWN has tried to drag AIDS into a thread that has nothing to do AIDS. Can someone please tell RWN to stop his disruptive hijacking of threads. Thank you.
What did I say about AIDS? I just asked if you read those KGB documents. I figured you would know about them.
There, fixed it for you.
"Thank God you dont teach science to other peoples kids, only your own."
Why you must be a false prophet.
Why are you so quick to ping the mods to stifle discussion? That’s an awfully leftist/Axelrod/Emanuel/Obama thing to do.
so evolution by natural selection is a scientific theory trying to address physical findings, yes? (even if you disagree with the findings)
people/movements making subjective (and I propose ultimately control-oriented political & social manipulations of force)pronouncements and actions regarding the ‘worth’ of certain ‘types’ of people.
I think it’s clear the distinction between ‘darwinism’ and ‘social darwinism.’
I think the big 3 desert religions already have their hands full of people going straight to the source documents trying to justify horrible acts regarding the ‘worth’ of certain ‘types’ of people.
I don’t think religions would appreciate the attempt of tenuous slant-style associations of Satanists, those hearing voices, or others that couldn’t have acted on their ideas if the god idea didn’t precede it.
Isn’t there enough to disagree about concerning the core ideas of evolution by natural selection and bible based beliefs? Without introducing tenuous slant-style attempts at association?
“Why you must be a false prophet.”
Why don’t you be more specific?
That means alot coming from someone who pretends to be Christian while denouncing genuine Christians in the name of Christianity. I have asked you numerous times if Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, and you have refused to answer each time. All Christians confess Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Not only that, one day you pretend to be a Protestant, the next day you pretend to be a Catholic, all for the purpose of turning protestants and catholics against each other...not for any doctrinal reason, but soley for the purpose of stirring up animosity, division, and hatred. You are a wolf in sheep’s clothing. There is no debating you, there is only exposing you as per Matthew 7:15-20. Let me know if you ever become an actual Christian (or are at least willing to be honest and admit that you are an evo-atheist disruptor posing as a Christian). Until then, buzz-off imposter.
What don't you understand, specifically?
Two ludicrous and delusional sides of the same ‘it isn't the fault of Islam’ coin.
“What don’t you understand, specifically?”
Your post. That’s why I asked for greater specificity. If you can’t do that, I’ll just assume that your comment was merely a drive-by spitball shot devoid of any real historical perspective.
Reality is entirely subjective to religious and political solipsists, for ex., allowing Aquinas to cross his legs, levitate and float about the cathedral of Notre Dame.
“But the world itself is only a speck of dust. And man is tiny and helpless! How long has he been in existence? For millions of years the earth was uninhabited.”
“Nonsense. The earth is as old as we are, no older. How could it be older? Nothing exists except through human consciousness.” (O’Brien)
“But the rocks are full of the bones of extinct animals - mammoths and mastodons and enormous reptiles which lived here long before man was ever heard of.”
“Have you ever seen those bones, Winston? Of course not. Nineteenth-century biologists invented them. Before man there was nothing. After man, if he could come to an end, there would be nothing. Outside man there is nothing.”
“But the whole universe is outside us. Look at the stars! Some of them are a million light-years away. They are out of our reach for ever.”
“What are the stars? “ said O’Brien indifferently.” They are bits of fire a few kilometres away. We could reach them if we wanted to. Or we could blot them out. The earth is the centre of the universe. The sun and the stars go round it.”
1984 Orwell, chapter 21
You have no response but to repeat your retreat. Your dishonesty and fraud in posting as well as with regard to your professed Christianity is on plain display for all readers to peruse.
What specifically don't you understand about it?
"Thats why I asked for greater specificity."
As do I.
If you Since I cant do that, Ill you can just assume that your my comment was merely a drive-by spitball shot devoid of any real historical perspective.
There, fixed it for you.