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Boeing, union deadlocked in secret talks over new 787 line
Seattle Times ^ | October 22, 2009 | Dominic Gates

Posted on 10/22/2009 11:32:35 AM PDT by jazusamo

Boeing and the Machinists union are far apart in secret negotiations over a proposed no-strike agreement that would ensure a second 787 final assembly line goes to Everett instead of Charleston, S.C.

Secret talks have been going on for weeks in Washington, D.C., and Chicago between Boeing and the Machinists union, with top leaders negotiating over a proposed no-strike agreement that would ensure a second 787 final-assembly line goes to Everett instead of Charleston, S.C.

But less than a week ahead of a Boeing board meeting to discuss the choice, the labor talks are deadlocked and hindered by distrust on each side, according to a high-level person close to the negotiations.

Boeing CEO Jim McNerney said in a conference call Wednesday morning that the decision will be announced within two weeks.

In the previously unreported talks, International Association of Machinists (IAM) leaders said they were prepared to agree to a no-strike deal through 2020, provided a list of conditions was met.

One important condition, the person close to the talks said, is that Boeing would guarantee future work on new jets will come to the Puget Sound-area factories.

"The 737 replacement is the big prize right now," he said, but Boeing is refusing to guarantee any work beyond the second 787 assembly line.

The IAM has not told its members anything about the discussions. Its international president, Tom Buffenbarger, is driving the talks for the union, the person close to the negotiations said.

Buffenbarger did not return a call requesting comment. Boeing spokesman Tim Healy acknowledged talks are going on but said they are "confidential discussions, and we will honor a mutual agreement to keep them that way."

In his Wednesday conference call with analysts, McNerney made clear that Boeing is considering Charleston specifically because of the recent history...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: South Carolina; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 787; aerospace; boeing; unions
In the previously unreported talks, International Association of Machinists (IAM) leaders said they were prepared to agree to a no-strike deal through 2020, provided a list of conditions was met.

Quite a change for the union from a few months ago.

1 posted on 10/22/2009 11:32:36 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: sionnsar

WA Ping!


2 posted on 10/22/2009 11:33:12 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Must not be so secret if the Seattle Times is writing front page articles on it.


3 posted on 10/22/2009 11:34:14 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: All
Please bump the Freepathon and donate if you haven’t done so!

4 posted on 10/22/2009 11:35:42 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: pissant

Sure not secret any longer but they’ve keep a pretty tight lid on it up to now.


5 posted on 10/22/2009 11:36:47 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

As a retired union guy and former local president all I can advise Boeing to do is head to South Carolina.
When I was in office I represented union members not a political party of limousine liberal/socialists/communists.


6 posted on 10/22/2009 11:37:44 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: jazusamo
Ok...so we'll bring the work there as long as you promise not to refuse to do it....what? NO DEAL?

I'm sorry WA. I really hope South Carolina wins here.
7 posted on 10/22/2009 11:37:45 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: jazusamo

What is the latest on when the Dreamliner does its test flight?


8 posted on 10/22/2009 11:38:17 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: jazusamo

Well, I think all the Boeing employees knew about it. At least my brother in law did.


9 posted on 10/22/2009 11:38:43 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: jazusamo

Hey Seattle, say goodbye to Boeing.


10 posted on 10/22/2009 11:39:00 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Release Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich and let him and his family get on with their lives.)
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To: jazusamo

No kiddin. The Carolinas were calling.


11 posted on 10/22/2009 11:40:14 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: N. Theknow

I don’t know, they’ve had a lot of setbacks and I haven’t paid attention of late.


12 posted on 10/22/2009 11:40:33 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: WeatherGuy; CBF; x_plus_one; Libertina; sportutegrl; kayti; narses; Avid Coug; RedinaBlue; ...
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13 posted on 10/22/2009 11:43:42 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: pissant

That may be but there’s some info in this piece that hasn’t been public info up to now, at least I haven’t seen it and I’ve followed it.

The union was laughing at Boeing for proposing a no strike clause and now they say they’ll agree to it with conditions.


14 posted on 10/22/2009 11:44:01 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Nows the time. Break the union.
The Boeing workers can then go get nice soft union jobs
at GM.


15 posted on 10/22/2009 11:47:56 AM PDT by Hans
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To: jazusamo
Used to be an almost weekly thread on A380 problems and 787 record breaking sales figures.

Now A380 are operating on 3 airlines and 787 is still in the barn.

16 posted on 10/22/2009 11:48:32 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: N. Theknow

Boeling says the 787 will fly by the end of this year. But given there track record with the 787 I would not bet on it.


17 posted on 10/22/2009 11:50:26 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Hans

There’s much to be said for that and that’s why I believe Boeing is going to set the second line up in SC.


18 posted on 10/22/2009 11:51:43 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: N. Theknow

Exactly, and they’d better get it straightened out or there won’t be a second line.


19 posted on 10/22/2009 11:53:16 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Boeing has seen the future in Detroit and decided to chart a different course. They got their headquarters out of Seattle. They’ve set up operations in the non-union South. They are prepared to ditch the unions altogether. That’s just what they should do. Unions bring nothing but ruin.


20 posted on 10/22/2009 11:59:59 AM PDT by liberlog
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To: liberlog

I believe you’re right. What Zer0 did in Detroit is going to come back to bite the unions in the butt so maybe it wasn’t all that bad.


21 posted on 10/22/2009 12:05:00 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

I hope they manage to keep the line here. I also hope they get the damn plane flying ASAP.


22 posted on 10/22/2009 12:13:11 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

union leaks to justify Obamunist intervention.

Send in the CZARS!!!!


23 posted on 10/22/2009 12:16:33 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: jazusamo
I'll bet that Obama will try and get his fingers into this and lean on Boeing to agree to the union demands. I wouldn't be surprised if it is made clear that there will be Federal “difficulties” if Boeing doesn't agree to open the second assembly line in Washington state.
24 posted on 10/22/2009 12:18:49 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: pissant

So do I, it’ll hurt a lot of people and our economy if they go East. The union had better start thinking seriously of concessions or the employees thinking about decertifying or I believe we’ll eventually lose Boeing.


25 posted on 10/22/2009 12:22:27 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Truth29

I wouldn’t put that past Obama, it’s the type thuggery he’s use to, if so I hope Boeing tells him to shove it.


26 posted on 10/22/2009 12:25:07 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

If I were Boeing management, I wouldn’t feel very safe, even if the union agrees to a no strike clause. With the Obama administration, I wouldn’t put it past them to change the law so that the no strike clause isn’t enforceable, thereby giving the union the green light to strike whenever they want. Another thing Obama could do is tie any future fed. gov’t. purchases from Boeing to an agreement by Boeing to waive the no strike clause. There is simply no safe way to deal with a union now that the Obama Marxists are in charge. Boeing better choose S. Carolina.


27 posted on 10/22/2009 12:47:33 PM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: Avid Coug

Unfortunately everything you say about the turkey is a possibility, a strong possibility.


28 posted on 10/22/2009 12:52:06 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

any yet Michigan keeps pushing their “green industry” BS commercials.

Any business that moves to michigan has no place in ANYONE’s investment portfolio.


29 posted on 10/22/2009 1:38:14 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: jazusamo
So the union is fighting over an assembly line somewhere else for a plane that might never be built?

ML/NJ

30 posted on 10/22/2009 1:54:55 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: N. Theknow
What is the latest on when the Dreamliner does its test flight?

They kinda have to taxi first.

ML/NJ

31 posted on 10/22/2009 1:56:02 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: jazusamo

Screw the union commies...Set up in Charleston...


32 posted on 10/22/2009 10:02:49 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: jazusamo

787 is turning out to be the Vista of airplanes...


33 posted on 10/22/2009 10:04:06 PM PDT by djf (Grasshopper: The game is rigged. Patience takes forever to learn. You're so screwed!!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
the atmosphere in Washington State is not good....billions in debt, rising tax load, "greenies" etc.....

why bring solid work here?....the state doesn't appreciate good solid work....

34 posted on 10/22/2009 10:07:57 PM PDT by cherry
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To: djf

You’re right and both based here, lucky us. :)

Congrats on your 11th in a couple hrs.


35 posted on 10/22/2009 10:10:24 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Oh yeah! Hadn’t thought about it.

Last year was a biggie because then I was officially decadent...

;-)


36 posted on 10/22/2009 10:16:07 PM PDT by djf (Grasshopper: The game is rigged. Patience takes forever to learn. You're so screwed!!)
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To: djf

Yeah dude congrats!, my 10th is the 4th of Nov I think....


37 posted on 10/22/2009 10:17:30 PM PDT by cmsgop (Another proud graduate of the Larry Storch school of posting)
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To: djf
Oh and BTW,..... :*)


38 posted on 10/22/2009 10:18:40 PM PDT by cmsgop (Another proud graduate of the Larry Storch school of posting)
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To: cmsgop

Lol!! Great thread!

Lotta fun that night.

BTW, the lamp remains, about 5 feet from where I’m sitting now!


39 posted on 10/22/2009 10:21:25 PM PDT by djf (Grasshopper: The game is rigged. Patience takes forever to learn. You're so screwed!!)
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