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Gun Control By Way Of Health Reform
IBD Editorials ^ | October 22, 2009 | INVESTORS BUSINESS Staff

Posted on 10/22/2009 5:56:57 PM PDT by Kaslin

Gun Rights: A decade after Congress forbade the CDC from studying the health consequences of gun ownership, the National Institutes of Health has started funding such research. Will reform pry the guns from our cold, sick hands?

More than a decade ago Congress, seeing it as a backdoor assault on the 2nd Amendment and the right to keep and bear arms, voted to cut funding for firearms research by the Centers for Disease Control. Such research was viewed as one-sided and based on flawed assumptions that all gun use was bad, even that which saved lives and deterred crime.

The National Institutes of Health seemed to have picked up the baton by funding similar studies of gun violence as a public health issue.

"It's almost as if someone's been looking for a way to get this study done ever since the Centers for Disease Control was banned from doing it 10 years ago," said Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, of one of the NIH studies. "But it doesn't make any more sense now than it did then."

In response to inquiries about the studies, NIH spokesman Don Ralbovsky said: "Gun-related violence is a public health problem — it diverts considerable health care resources away from other problems and, therefore, is of interest to NIH."

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1 posted on 10/22/2009 5:56:57 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: alrea; bareford101; BerniesFriend; blaveda; Bookwoman; Celeste732; dsc; Faux_Pas; fortunecookie; ...

2 posted on 10/22/2009 5:57:57 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin
Lets see

Thumbprint for ammo

$5 / round “tax”

Mandated “insurance” at $1 million PER WEAPON

Oh, ya, they are not trying to ban gun, are they.

They = Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, Commies and Fascists and fellow travelers

3 posted on 10/22/2009 6:00:06 PM PDT by ASOC (Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui)
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To: Kaslin

Next physical I go to, if I am asked the standard question if I own a gun, I will reply in my best effeminate liberal imitation “Why no, guns are icky”. This is of course Minnestoopid.


4 posted on 10/22/2009 6:01:29 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democratic Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: Kaslin

Here is something the NIH could do that would save lives and not involve Constitutionally protected rights ... Study why people get aids, and the deviant behavior that causes it. It should be easy to change the behavior and save lives. And that would be a good thing.


5 posted on 10/22/2009 6:01:41 PM PDT by Tarpon (To destroy the people's liberties, you poison their morals ...)
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To: Kaslin

Well, I would have to ask what percentage of the National Health expenditures is spent on gun related incidents, then after we address every other expenditure that exceeds the gun related incidents...then we can address it. Until then STFU!


6 posted on 10/22/2009 6:04:42 PM PDT by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: Fred Hayek
“Why no, guns are icky”. This is of course Minnestoopid.

When your doctor becomes a Federal Officer you will have committed a felony.

7 posted on 10/22/2009 6:05:18 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Fred Hayek

You will only be able to do this until they make lying to your doctor a felony.


8 posted on 10/22/2009 6:06:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Tarpon
Study why people get aids

Thirly u jethhhht

9 posted on 10/22/2009 6:06:24 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Oath keepers + The NRA = FReeRepublic (.com baby))
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To: Kaslin

Crime and early release of criminals is a public health threat.
What ever happened to the novel idea of actually enforcing some laws?

The left wingers are searching.......
They know firearms are a threat to their Maoist utopia they plan for the rest of us. They should indeed be concerned for their health with the crap they are trying to force on us.


10 posted on 10/22/2009 6:07:29 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Why? It would save lives ... Do real good to society.

read tag line ....


11 posted on 10/22/2009 6:07:37 PM PDT by Tarpon (To destroy the people's liberties, you poison their morals ...)
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To: Kaslin

Just.Try.It.


12 posted on 10/22/2009 6:08:36 PM PDT by mo
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To: Kaslin
The way this will work:

When government run health care is fully implemented, your assigned quack will ask if there are any firearms in your possession.

Answer yes, and you will be required to turn them in for destruction or you get NO health care for your family. If you have a kid, it will be child abuse to refuse and deny the child health care.

If you lie it will be felony perjury and fraud.

Your quack will be rewarded for ratting you out.

13 posted on 10/22/2009 6:09:40 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Fred Hayek

They ask that?


14 posted on 10/22/2009 6:10:09 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“You will only be able to do this until they make lying to your doctor a felony.”

So will the possession of my firearms be a felony. So nothing left to lose right?


15 posted on 10/22/2009 6:10:17 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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To: Tarpon

This is series, you really didn’t miss the sarcasm, did you?


16 posted on 10/22/2009 6:12:17 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Oath keepers + The NRA = FReeRepublic (.com baby))
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To: Secret Agent Man
But felons can’t own or possess fire arms!!
17 posted on 10/22/2009 6:13:12 PM PDT by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: John.Galt2012
But you knew this already. It was much too obvious wasn't it.
18 posted on 10/22/2009 6:14:27 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Navy Patriot

If the doctor is a federal officer, well... “Doctor, I take the Fifth.”

A lot of people are probably just not going to go to the doctor. A huge medical black market will spring up.


19 posted on 10/22/2009 6:18:51 PM PDT by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: o_zarkman44
So nothing left to lose right?

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.....

20 posted on 10/22/2009 6:19:56 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Oath keepers + The NRA = FReeRepublic (.com baby))
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To: Kaslin

YO, WHITE HOUSE, CONGRESS ...

We FReepers have a Slightly different definition of GUN CONTROL...
our definition is .. GUN CONTROL - HITTING OUR TARGET.


21 posted on 10/22/2009 6:22:35 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (I will DIE with Israel BY MY SIDE, rather than LIVE with the CHAINS of ISLAM on my Back!)
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To: Kaslin

Your little laws don’t apply to us: we’re the American left.


22 posted on 10/22/2009 6:34:33 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: ASOC
Thumbprint for ammo

$5 / round “tax”

Mandated “insurance” at $1 million PER WEAPON

Tracking for tax purposes

Taxing for debt payment purposes

Insurance to pay for what is left over.

It's more for the money to keep the power than it is for the power to keep the money.

23 posted on 10/22/2009 6:39:50 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: coydog
A huge medical black market will spring up.

Affirmative, and not just from this one item.

Doctors incomes will fall while their debt remains high, and they will have no friends at all.

They think juries screw them now, just wait.

24 posted on 10/22/2009 6:40:21 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Carry_Okie

“When your doctor becomes a Federal Officer you will have committed a felony.”

Yes, and don’t think they won’t pull something like that. They’re just waiting to be able to criminilize everything you do.


25 posted on 10/22/2009 6:42:24 PM PDT by PLMerite (Speak Truth to Stupid.)
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To: Kaslin

ping


26 posted on 10/22/2009 6:48:35 PM PDT by beefree
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To: Kaslin

Well...
Let’s consider all alternatives....
Ok,,,
well..
Got nuthin...
Thanks.


27 posted on 10/22/2009 6:49:08 PM PDT by bravotu (Have a Nice Day !)
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To: Kaslin

All BS. The anti gunners are disappointed now that they see gun sales going through the roof, the public attitude becoming much more favorable to firearms. The squeal of the dying pig.
The anti gun organisations are losing thier financial support as well, with only a handful of politicians from welfare districts and a few idiots like Bloomberg still frothing at the mouth for more “gun control”
If it ever did come to confiscation of private firearms in this nation, the firearms themselves would be secondary to the fact that at that point in time ALL of your freedoms would be gone.
Remember, when it’s time to bury ‘em, it’ll be time to dig ‘em up!


28 posted on 10/22/2009 6:49:46 PM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion)
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To: Kaslin; GODAWGS47; japaneseghost; Stentor; Marty; Fractal Trader; metmom; John Valentine; ...

This has a very long history. And because we conservatives never quite learned the lesson of the subversive CDC agenda way back when, treating guns as a public health issue has been waiting on the back burner for just such a day as this. Read the following, and then see MY PROFILE PAGE for more. See especially, “The Hidden Agenda Behind HIV”. It might not seem related at first, but if you take the time to read it, you will see that the CDC is about as a subversive goverment agency as they come:

RETHINKING: There is so much more of this on the tapes and in your book. But you told me recently that the CDC is trying to define violence and gun-related crimes as clusters of epidemic disease.

ELLISON: That’s right. Violence of course they are not calling an infectious disease, but they are trying to treat it as a disease with perhaps some kind of environmental cause. They think they can cure violence by two measures primarily. One is gun control; they think if you get rid of the guns, then the gangs of course will stop purchasing their automatic weapons through the underground. And second, that if you fund the gangs and their organizations, their front groups, that are creating riots and violence, that you will then induce them to become peaceful.

RETHINKING: Where did you get that from?

ELLISON: This is from articles published by CDC officers themselves, who are not outlining their strategy for, quote, “how to stop the epidemic of violence.” They believe that because it’s an epidemic or disease that it shouldn’t be punished. You shouldn’t fill up the jails with these people, or death row. Rather you should give them money and take everyone else’s guns.

The Centers for Disease Control has had three major programs through which it can make diseases appear infectious and make everyone step in line to agree. One is that in the early 1950s they formed a special unit, an elite, semi-secret unit, that is now almost fully secret, called the Epidemic Intelligence Service, or EIS. New graduates of medical schools, or biological graduate schools, or perhaps dental schools, or a few other things, public health departments, are recruited upon graduation to take a several-week course, and then dispatched on two-year active assignment, paid by the CDC, in various local and state health departments to become the eyes and ears of the CDC—an invisible intelligence network that watches for the tiniest clusters of disease, and, when the CDC deems appropriate, turns them into national emergencies. We saw this kind of cynical manipulation in the 1957 Asian flu epidemic. We saw it in the 1960s with clusters of leukemia, which they tried to make appear infectious. We saw that with the swine flu epidemic that never materialized, in 1976, and with the Legionnaire’s epidemic that same year. And we’ve seen it more recently with Lyme disease, with Hantavirus pneumonia, and just one thing after another.

Even after those two years, every member of the EIS becomes part of a permanent reserve officer corps for the CDC that could be called up in case of national emergency or time of war, to serve as officers of their respective ranks, with actual emergency powers. Today many of these people, by sitting in foundations, major companies, the new media, Surgeon General’s office, and other key positions politically, act as silent advocates for the CDC, echoing the CDC’s viewpoint whenever it needs support. So of course that’s a very influential network, and I might add that as of about one year ago, because of too many outside requests for the membership directory of the EIS, the CDC has recently suppressed the availability of this directory. They no longer want people knowing what the membership is.

RETHINKING: Some of these members hold high media positions.

ELLISON: That’s right. Just as an example, the head medical writer for the New York Times, Larry Altman, is a graduate from the 1960s of the EIS.

The other program that the CDC has is called a partnership program. Basically they give grants to private organizations—even creating private organizations in some cases—supposedly to spread education, meaning the CDC party line. But in effect by spreading around this money the CDC creates and buys influence with organizations that do not appear to be connected to the CDC, at least officially. So for example, the CDC has thrown this money around to medical groups such as the American Red Cross, to hemophilia organizations, to gay rights and AIDS activist groups.

RETHINKING: And this is all carefully documented in your book?

ELLISON: That’s right. In fact we list a number of the organizations that are funded, and I looked at some of those in my last RETHINKING AIDS article. There are enormous lists, and I’m only just beginning to uncover many of the organizations that are funded under this partnership program with what they call community-based organizations. See, the idea is—the CDC puts it in slightly different language. They say, well, these organizations can reach their constituencies more effectively than we can. That’s code language, of course, for saying that it’s more believable when it seems to come from private organizations without a conflict of interest.

http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/raellison.htm


29 posted on 10/22/2009 6:49:59 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Navy Patriot

When your doctor starts asking if you have guns, and there hasn’t been a full fledged civil war, then you’ll deserve what you get.My “line in the sand “ comes way before that time.


30 posted on 10/22/2009 6:57:52 PM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion)
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To: Quickgun

Nice tagline!...see my last from around 15 years ago.


31 posted on 10/22/2009 7:00:31 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Kaslin

—bflr—


32 posted on 10/22/2009 7:00:44 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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33 posted on 10/22/2009 7:01:22 PM PDT by mcmuffin (Will American patriots and freedom prevail?)
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To: Kaslin

King Leonides said it best...


34 posted on 10/22/2009 7:11:59 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
In response to inquiries about the studies, NIH spokesman Don Ralbovsky said: "Gun-related violence is a public health problem -- it diverts considerable health care resources away from other problems and, therefore, is of interest to NIH."

35 posted on 10/22/2009 7:35:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Tarpon; Las Vegas Ron
Study why people get aids

I think they said on Queer Eye, AIDS starts with an intense pounding in your A$$.

36 posted on 10/22/2009 7:50:36 PM PDT by bigheadfred (NEGROMANCER!!! Run For Your LIVES!!!!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Unfortunately it is very difficult to legally own a gun in MA that isnt registered. They just walk in, say “You own three guns” and bamm,..,..increased insurance.


37 posted on 10/22/2009 8:04:33 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: ExTexasRedhead; SunkenCiv; bamahead

The things they’ll try to disarm the people are amazing. They never quit!


38 posted on 10/22/2009 8:11:19 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: stevio
Yes, it's a standard question. I've been asked if I have any guns, even if I have any other weapons. I believe it's part of a standard battery of "risk factor" weighting along with questions about one's residence being built before ~ 1968 (pre lead-paint ban), tobacco use, exercise, exposure to chemicals, one's profession, etc.

Once we're all forced into the national health service, I can only presume that refusal to answer or answering untruthfully to intrusive and non-germane questions such as the weapons question will be perjury.

39 posted on 10/22/2009 8:21:51 PM PDT by upstanding
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To: Quickgun

2nd


40 posted on 10/22/2009 9:34:30 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: upstanding

Who the hell is your doctor? I have never been asked that and never heard of anyone being asked.


41 posted on 10/22/2009 9:36:00 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: stevio

No, they don’t.


42 posted on 10/22/2009 9:36:35 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Quickgun
When your doctor starts asking if you have guns, and there hasn’t been a full fledged civil war, then you’ll deserve what you get. My “line in the sand “ comes way before that time.

Ditto.

43 posted on 10/22/2009 9:44:36 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

How’s he going to prove it? Tell him to shove it somewhere dark.


44 posted on 10/22/2009 9:58:28 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: Kaslin

Today in nearby San Marcos, Texas, a homeowner defended property against an armed intruder. Shot the intruder 3 times. Home owner and family are healthy tonight.

Intruder survived, but from the report the armed intruder is not feeling too well.

A health issue and correlation to the 2nd may be one of perspective.


45 posted on 10/22/2009 10:27:51 PM PDT by RainDog
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46 posted on 10/22/2009 10:51:54 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: Kaslin
The National Institutes of Health seemed to have picked up the baton by funding similar studies of gun violence as a public health issue.

I'm sure they will eventually draw the conclusion that the Department of Defense is just a huge public health hazard!

</sarc>

47 posted on 10/23/2009 12:43:20 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kaslin
This is from articles published by CDC officers themselves, who are not outlining their strategy for, quote, “how to stop the epidemic of violence.”

Well, there's your list of public suspects. Time for a shakeout at CDC.

48 posted on 10/23/2009 12:50:38 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: John.Galt2012
Well, I would have to ask what percentage of the National Health expenditures is spent on gun related incidents...

Then we can add their portion of that to the other substantial tab the taxpayers pick up for the people who are here illegally every year.

49 posted on 10/23/2009 2:21:51 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: upstanding

I can see that happening.


50 posted on 10/23/2009 5:48:26 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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