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Helen Thomas: "The Buck Stops In The Oval Office" [WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES]
TheBostonChannel.com ^ | 22 Oct 09 | Helen "Afghanistan=Vietnam" Thomas

Posted on 10/23/2009 5:00:46 PM PDT by seanmerc

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama’s leadership is being tested on two historic fronts: health care reform and U.S. involvement in Afghanistan.

By the time he has made decisions on these two titanic issues, we will know whether he has the courage to make tough calls and we will know more about his bottom-line principles.

On health care, Obama thought he had learned lessons from 1993 when Hillary Clinton, then the first lady, was put in charge of developing a universal health plan when her husband was president.

She flunked partly because she did not touch base with Congress. She didn’t let the lawmakers in on the takeoff as well as the landing, as President Lyndon B. Johnson would put it. The result: Congress wasn’t there for the landing.

This time around, Obama has gone overboard to win congressional approval of legislation that has little meaning without a government-sponsored health-insurance program. But his efforts raise questions of whether he is trying to appease the opposition at any price and whether he is willing to fight for a government-run health insurance program.

Obama should listen to the people who have voiced their opinions about health reform. A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows a majority favors a government health insurance plan. The president and wavering congressional Democrats should heed that view.

The Republicans in the Senate are solidly against the reform plan, except for Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, who played hard to get and seemed to love the attention and tension she created over her Senate Finance Committee vote -- which ended up being a "yes." Now she’s back playing games again and says she is unsure how she will vote when the Senate takes up its final bill.

Obama has tried too hard to woo the so-called "blue dog" conservative Democrats -- who seem to be Republicans at heart. They are obstructionists when it comes to health reform and appear eager to follow the bidding of the health insurance industry.

It’s hard to think that other presidents -- Harry S. Truman and the two Roosevelts come to mind -- would not have loudly rebuked the Republican "plutocrats" for blocking the vital health plans being debated.

The president’s other test of leadership is Afghanistan where he is considering a request for 40,000 more troops. Any escalation in that rugged primitive land would be reminiscent of the Vietnam War and Gen. William Westmoreland’s bids for more and more men. We know how that turned out.

Obama has made it clear that he is not going to be rushed. Perhaps the presidential caution has been inspired by the U.S. experience in Iraq, a war that should never have happened in the first place. It’s pretty amazing that we still don’t know the motives of the Bush administration for pushing, pushing, pushing for an invasion that turned out to be tragically wrong. The folly of that war and the sacrifices by Americans and Iraqis are beyond painful to contemplate.

War is too important to be left to the generals -- much as presidents would like to pass the buck and rely on decisions by the "commanders on the ground," as the civilians like to put it.

But that’s not the way it works in a democracy. The buck stops with the president who has been bombarded with advice in the last several weeks.

For all that, he would do better if he reads up on White House decision-making involving the last few wars, especially Vietnam.

Bob Woodward, the Washington Post reporter, recently described a 2007 interview with Robert S. McNamara, secretary of defense during the 1960s Vietnam troop surge.

McNamara told Woodward that LBJ had ordered U.S. escalation in Vietnam because the president was very nervous about political criticism from conservatives eager to accuse him of being soft on North Vietnam. So Johnson went along with requests from "commanders on the ground" -- in this case, Westmoreland -- for more American troops. The result was deeper U.S. commitment in a war we could never win.

There’s a lesson there for President Obama: He should map the way forward in Afghanistan without worrying about his conservative critics.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; barackobama; bho2009; bho44; helenthomas; liberalmeathead; obama; senileoldbat; surrendermonkey; wot
Enjoy your dinner!
1 posted on 10/23/2009 5:00:46 PM PDT by seanmerc
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2 posted on 10/23/2009 5:02:09 PM PDT by seanmerc
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To: seanmerc

Holy crap.....there wasn’t enough of a warning......


3 posted on 10/23/2009 5:09:20 PM PDT by BamaDi (I'm glad that I'm free, though I wish I was a dog and Obama was a tree!)
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To: seanmerc

4 posted on 10/23/2009 5:12:42 PM PDT by Bobalu (I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: BamaDi

I know. I was bracing myself for decapitated bodies and I find this. Holy Crap!


5 posted on 10/23/2009 5:12:42 PM PDT by kempster
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To: seanmerc

Damn public opinion and full steam ahead. Selfish old bat!


6 posted on 10/23/2009 5:13:55 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: seanmerc
My name is Gomez Addams, and I have seen evil!
I have seen horror!
I have seen the unholy maggots which feast in the dark recesses of the human soul!
I have seen all this.... But until today, I had never seen *Helen Thomas*!

7 posted on 10/23/2009 5:16:17 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: seanmerc

Just in time for Halloween!


8 posted on 10/23/2009 5:16:19 PM PDT by Batman11 (Obama will dispatch skittle $hitting unicorns around the world to bring peace and prosperity to all!)
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To: seanmerc

.."four hours of hairballs, now this"

9 posted on 10/23/2009 5:18:25 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: seanmerc

Beneath that wretched exterior beats the heart of a blithering idiot


10 posted on 10/23/2009 5:20:48 PM PDT by woofie
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To: seanmerc

11 posted on 10/23/2009 5:20:48 PM PDT by paulycy (Predatory Pricing = Public Option = Unethical Competition.)
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To: seanmerc

OH MY GOOD LORD!!!!! I”M BLIND! I CAN”T SEE!!! UGH! THE HORROR!!


12 posted on 10/23/2009 5:25:24 PM PDT by JoeMac ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!'' Popeye The SailorMan)
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To: seanmerc

Was photo #1 really necessary?


13 posted on 10/23/2009 5:32:21 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: seanmerc

OMG - I know your warning was in caps, but next time I think you should have to personally call every single Freeper before posting a pic of that size!
:)


14 posted on 10/23/2009 5:32:45 PM PDT by GnuHere
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To: seanmerc
Not really!
Photobucket

15 posted on 10/23/2009 5:39:27 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (VFERY)
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To: seanmerc
Anyone who viewed an image on this page, please get in line.
16 posted on 10/23/2009 5:45:59 PM PDT by John W
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To: seanmerc
helenballoon

MCDNOBY EC002

something_ugly_this_way_comes

17 posted on 10/23/2009 5:53:29 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: seanmerc

Does anyone have painting or a mosaic or a drawing in beach sand of Helen Thomas when she was about twenty-eight, circa 1812? I’m just curious if she was ever attractive?


18 posted on 10/23/2009 6:14:24 PM PDT by stevem
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To: seanmerc
Perhaps the presidential caution has been inspired by the U.S. experience in Iraq, a war that should never have happened in the first place. It’s pretty amazing that we still don’t know the motives of the Bush administration for pushing, pushing, pushing for an invasion that turned out to be tragically wrong. The folly of that war and the sacrifices by Americans and Iraqis are beyond painful to contemplate.

The old bag regrets not being able to go to Bagdad and do Rather inspired Lewinskys to the great Sadaam. One wonders why all of the liberals support the plight of the Marsh Arabs. If there were ever any natural "Greens" surely those folks would qualify.

19 posted on 10/23/2009 6:55:50 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: Bobalu

ROFL....you can hardly make out a face!


20 posted on 10/23/2009 7:01:38 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: paulycy

OMG! You found your way here - or at least to post that awful pix!


21 posted on 10/23/2009 7:02:45 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: seanmerc
...we will know more about his bottom-line principles.

WE already know - but will THEY?

22 posted on 10/23/2009 7:50:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Nateman

...an Rover’ll getcha iff’n ya don’t - watch - out!


23 posted on 10/23/2009 7:52:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stevem

Is this on the lines of what you wanted?

24 posted on 10/23/2009 7:55:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stevem
Yes she was, and is. She's actually, in spite of her politics, a quite lovely person.

Hanki

25 posted on 10/23/2009 8:12:27 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief

I think we’ve been through this before. I call BS.

Recently it was claimed directly that this pix was c. 1936 or some such.

By the looks it is indeed c.1930; certainly no later than 1940.

The person is ~25; at worst 15.

HT was born 1920. No way is that pix Helen Thomas.


26 posted on 10/23/2009 8:41:38 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Hank Kerchief

Forgive me if you were just being fascetious.

http://www.familyoldphotos.com/pa/mercer2/helen_thomas.htm


27 posted on 10/23/2009 8:48:45 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: seanmerc

There is not enough beer in the universe to make that hittable.


28 posted on 10/23/2009 8:49:02 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot (I saw manbearpig and all I got was this lousy tagline.)
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To: paulycy

29 posted on 10/23/2009 10:11:00 PM PDT by seanmerc
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To: Batman11

30 posted on 10/23/2009 10:12:10 PM PDT by seanmerc
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31 posted on 10/23/2009 10:14:50 PM PDT by seanmerc
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To: seanmerc

Looks like the old Helen is back (no pun intended). Seems the last week or two when she took the President to task was the liberal version of Alzheimers: that is she temporarily talked sense.


32 posted on 10/23/2009 10:20:29 PM PDT by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: Nateman

Giggling at your pics. Thanks!


33 posted on 10/24/2009 5:54:14 AM PDT by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: seanmerc
I don't know which is the more ghastly, Helen's pictures or her prose...

Try to have a nice day...

34 posted on 10/24/2009 5:58:54 AM PDT by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: stevem

35 posted on 10/24/2009 6:01:47 AM PDT by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

That link says the pic was taken in 1932 and that she was a junior in college.....hell, she was born in 1920; couldn’t have been in college then and is sure older than 12 or 13 there.


36 posted on 10/24/2009 6:07:09 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Mmm mmm mmm - Barack Hussein Obama (repeat endlessly))
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To: the OlLine Rebel

“Forgive me if ...”

Good grief, you don’t have to apologize to me.

I really have no idea if that’s truly her picture or not, but it could be—I’ve known many Lebanese who change in appearance just like that.

I appreciate the comments, though, and you are probably right.

Hank


37 posted on 10/24/2009 6:14:38 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief

The lady there is in 1932, from PA, while in college.

THE Helen Thomas was 12 in ‘32 and born in KY, and raised/lived/colleged in Detroit area.

Of course, “Helen Thomas” I’m sure is very common. Not like “LaDanian OchoCinco”.

So there you have it. Thanks for your grace.


38 posted on 10/24/2009 10:29:53 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: seanmerc

BTW, why not just go to her blog?

www.helenthomas.org

Apparently, she is an organization these days.


39 posted on 10/24/2009 10:34:32 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: seanmerc

The “Grand Dame” is right.

Obama needs to understand that the buck stops with him - no matter how stupidly or cravenly he whines about it.


40 posted on 10/24/2009 10:44:57 AM PDT by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I’ll check out her blog. Thanks, Reb!


41 posted on 10/28/2009 2:00:21 PM PDT by seanmerc
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