What Do Americans Believe About Creationism and Evolution?</

john in springfield | 10/23/2009 | jis (vanity)

[mnehring]

You didn’t muddy it, that is one of the biggest challenges in all of this. You are just running into the same that causes problems in all the debates on this subject.

[ColdWater]

No problem.

[mnehring]

For the sake of working with the charts, that is probably as close as you can get. Just know everyone will find something to disagree personally with it. :->

[john in springfield]

Per ColdWater, no.

[ColdWater]

And then there is Deist Evolution. God created life but left it to evolve on its own.

[mnehring]

Technically, that’s Theistic, not Deistic (see 48) The difference is involvement. Deists believe God just let it run from there, man and all. Theists believe God then got involved with man’s spiritual journey outside the naturalistic. Deists don’t believe in miracles, salvation, etc. Theists do.

[Safrguns]

>>> Per ColdWater, no.

Ok then... if OEC has 0% evolution but is OE, then I’m OEC.

I think that NEC is based simply upon the presumption that Genesis 1:1 refers to the same time period as the 6 day account of creation after Genesis 1:2.

An unspecified amount of time passes between verses 1 and 2, and before the 6 day account of creation of life, reference is made to earth as being formless and void (lifeless).... and yet the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters... so “formless” cannot be interpreted to mean that the earth itself did not exist yet.

[mnehring]

See #55..
Welcome to the jungle. The combination are endless. Mostly what I believe the OP was trying to reconcile was how to rationalize the charts, which means none of us are going to find a 100% label that works.

[faucetman]

When asking a question about evolution, you have to define it for the great masses who may answer yes to evolution when they really mean adaptation. Birds growing longer beaks v birds becoming dogs. Major evolution v minor evolution, or whatever you choose to call them. Polar bears are white, Arctic foxes are white. It's easy to understand why. But the foxes are still foxes & the bears are still bears.

I saw a video by some “save the bears from global warming” morons, and when Polar bears showed up and mingled with Brown bears to feed on this dead whale, they exclaimed in amazement. “Look the Polar bears are soooooo hungry they are competing with the Brown bears for food!!!

No, you IDIOTS, they showed up because there is a HUGE DEAD WHALE TO EAT! It's called FOOD. Food attracts ALL bears. They have the best sense of smell of any animal by a mile, actually TWENTY MILES.

[GodGunsGuts]

I quite agree. According to Gallop, the more time your spend getting brainwashed in our mostly publically funded Temple of Darwin indoctrination centers, the more likely you will become a libtarded, evo-atheist, Obamabot:

EDUCATION

Obama/McCain
High school	47	53
College	55	45
Postgrad	65	35

[Safrguns]

>>> none of us are going to find a 100% label that works.

yeah... a lot of the problem is tied in with correlating the creation of the earth with the creation of life.

It’s too easy (and proper) for creationists to concede the point that the earth is billions and billions of years old without forfeiting their belief that life as we know it on earth began less than 10,000 years ago... even in a creative process that took only 6 days (24 hr periods) to complete.

[scripter]

I found your post quite refreshing.

[john in springfield]

I understand the "brainwashing" dynamic, but the correlation between education level and voting for Obama still mystifies me.

[mnehring]

Kind of like the other chart discussion, I believe that oversimplifies things. For example, in the post grad voters, how many are working in practical fields versus are professional students or are in theoretical fields? The same with ‘high school only’. How many of those are just regular working Americans or those with trade degrees or apprenticeships versus those who are stereotyped as poorly educated? A very general chart like this, more often than not, can actually distort facts more than it reveals them. There are far too many variables within the three choices to say that it is due to a level of intelligence or a level of indoctrination.

..and let’s not even get into what percent may have lied to the pollster.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[southland]

Your point is good...

[profit_guy]

both Creationism and Evolution tell you that homosexuality is deviant behavior...yet the self-proclaimed “intellectually superior” pervs on the left say otherwise

[profit_guy]

both Creationism and Evolution tell you that homosexuality is deviant behavior...yet the self-proclaimed “intellectually superior” pervs on the left say otherwise

[Walkenfree]

Perhaps they’ve been educated beyond their intelligence?

[Wiz]

ping