Skip to comments.News to Note, October 24, 2009 (another would-be "Icon of Evolution" bites the dust)
Posted on 10/24/2009 8:09:04 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
(For all these stories and more, click on the excerpt link below)
1. BBC News: Primate Fossil Not an Ancestor
Remember Ida, the missing link that wasnt? In a Nature letter, scientists attack the lofty claims that surrounded the announcement of the fossil primate.
2. Did the Baby Mammoth, Lyuba, Suffocate in a Dust Storm?
In a special guest news analysis, creationist (and mammoth expert) Michael Oard considers the well-preserved mammoth Lyuba (whom we first discussed in A Mammoth Discovery). The occasion? Lyubas worldwide debut.
3. National Geographic News: Chimps Display Humanlike Good Will
Chimps, especially mothers and their offspring, help each other. While that makes them more similar to humans than previously thought, does it mean were all just apes?
4. ScienceDaily: Are Humans Still Evolving? Absolutely, Says a New Analysis of a Long-term Survey of Human Health
Many humans believe evolution does indeed happen. Is it happening to them as well?
5. BBC News: Ethical Stem Cell Crop Boosted
Research into stem cell therapies continues to find new ways to harvest the valuable cells without ethical compromises, as is shown by a new breakthrough described in Nature Methods.
6. And don't miss...
(Excerpt) Read more at answersingenesis.org ...
Step 1: Find a scientist saying X.
Step 2: Find a scientist who disagrees with X.
Step 3: Since two scientists do not agree, science must be morally bankrupt.
Step 4: Post on Free Republic.
Step 5: Repeat, ad infinitum.
Another spam reply from Alter Kaker, signifying nothing.
Didn't you realize that the "evolution theorists" (those who try to imagine the "causes" of certain features) really blew it when it comes to the Chimp/Human relationship. It's undoubtedly there (else why all the genetic similarities) but it's not in our line.
Watching some bears lined up along a river in Alaska I had a sudden epiphany about why we had heels ~ it was clearly to minimize our energy costs while standing up in water. Then there's the running ~ we are the only primates who can run long distances. That's obviously to get out the way of the alligators!
Actually, my post is a very useful cribsheet for those Freepers whose busy lives do not afford them the time to peruse the massive volume of mindless anti-science drivel you post from your goat-herder's tent.
I’m sure your post means a lot to you, but I find it completely incomprehensible.
I wish people on both sides of the creationist - evolutionist debate would please note the dynamic of the ancestor that wasn’t.
A scientist makes an important-seeming discovery, announcing what he hopes the discovery means. Being merely human, they naturally are prone to excitement and presumption.
The news media states with certainty what the discovery suggests, without waiting for any scientific confirmation, making all sort of inferences from it.
Here’s the key: Other scientists continue the process of validating or refuting the initial hypotheses and/or model. The system pits those their same human emotion against those of the original scientist. motivating them to disprove the original scientist.
They succeed or they don’t. In this case they do. They announce their own findings with a slightly overstated sense of assuredness. The scientific community weighs the merits of each set of arguments.
The news media largely ignores the later scientists, because their system is designed for pushing an opinion (and actually always has been), not discerning the truth.
What a difference a few months makes. Ida to Coulda to Nada.
But I won't sit in front of the T.V. wearing my “I Love Ida” tee shirt, waiting for an extravaganza with fade in/out graphics and dramatic music announcing “the Mona Lisa for the next 100 years” barely made it for 100 days before getting The Hubris Hustle out the door.
Or as the Boffins of Bones might put it, “Glad Ida Dad Now Sad, Ida Had Bad Clad, Ida Not So Rad.”
My advice to Mr. Hurum: “Get a real hair cut, not the one they just gave you”.
To be briefer: Most scientists legitimately are trying to find the truth, as should be demonstrated by the fact that other scientists pulled the rug on this ancestor story. The problem is that the news media sensationalizes one side, and ignores the other. And while I believe most creationist arguing are well-intentioned Christians, I fear that by pounding on the rift between science and religion, they skew the jury pool.
As a Christian and a scientist, I have to say the way you spam with this and the AIDS stuff sometimes makes me wonder about your real motives here.
Looks like Ida’s dad was making a bit of an advertisement to sensationalize his discovery.
I’d a had an Ida sad if Ida said Ida’s ad.
“anti-science drivel “
I honestly want to know what drives a person to engage in this type thread if this is how one feels. Please help me to understand why one wouldn’t ignore it instead.
Because ignoring propaganda isn't an answer. It has to be confronted.
You’re hired! As I’m mired since helper fired.
What AIDS spam would that be? Would it be the AIDS spam from National Review? The AIDS spam from the Amercian Spectator? The AIDS spam from the Hoover Institution’s “Policy Review”? The AIDS spam from Reason Magazine? The AIDS spam from the same people who produced “The Great Global Warming Sindle”? Which AIDS spam are you referring to exactly?
I appreciate that you responded. Propaganda: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one’s cause or to damage an opposing cause. Each side believes the other utilizes it. Since propaganda exists, why not let each FReeper decide for themselves which thread is important/interesting? It bothers me that nothing seems to get resolved via respectful debate or persuasion but often is simply an avenue for insults and name-calling. I would like to see threads posted, that a lay-person can understand, about the current position on evolution. Perhaps they exist and I have simply missed them. It often seems that opponents of GGG don’t actually refute the message, merely attack the messenger. God bless all FReepers, I am just asking us all to try to be kind, we should stick together against the Liberal takeover of U.S., and disagree respectfully on other matters, such as Crevo.
BTW, I just noticed that you are attempting to hijack a creationist thread by diverting it into a debate about AIDS. If you wish for me to eat your lame AIDS alarmist arguments for lunch, please locate one of my Rethinking AIDS threads and deposit your comments there.
Have a nice day—GGG
How many of the other HUNDREDS of threads each day that are repeats, vanities about pets and problems, prayer requests, etc. have you contacted and called them “spam”?
“I generally avoid your threads, but your spam volume has gotten to the point that I see no way to ignore it.”
CLUE: Don't click on the thread.
Uh oh. You said ‘AIDS’.
Some of us like to discuss the article, but that doesn’t seem to be allowed lately.
They had an excellent series of articles on AIDS a while back, Ill try to dig up the links.
I do notice a few come to ridicule other posters and have nothing to say about the subject of the thread.
If anyone wishes to discuss the article there are others of us who wish to also and will but not when accompanied by personal insults.
Thats fair enough. Its just that when I broached a certain topic that was related to the article, the mods were called in. I wasnt insulting anybody. We dont always agree, but I respect GGG.
I haven’t gone back over the thread so i don’t know what comment or topic you brought up, and I wasn’t suggesting you did insult anyone.
I’ve argued, debated, too but at the end of the day it’s just two people talking and nothing personal. but that seems to be a hurdle some can’t get over so they argue about where the thread is placed, the subject matter, the posters, how many articles are posted, anything but the article.
So anytime you want to discuss or cuss the articles, I’ll probably be around somewhere.
With respect, C-Y-C.
So why are these threads “spam”?
I have no problem with any of that. Take care CyC.
O.K. I rather enjoy the subject matter and so forth and I don’t have to agree with all the conclusions drawn to do so. But some don’t, so be it. Cheers!
Likewise to you. Hope that your weekend is a good one.
I HAVE to take care, being too fat to run, too dumb to lie, and too old for any more serious mistakes. cheers.
Not at all surprising.
Thanks for the ping!