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News to Note, October 24, 2009 (another would-be "Icon of Evolution" bites the dust)
AiG ^ | October24, 2009

Posted on 10/24/2009 8:09:04 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

(For all these stories and more, click on the excerpt link below)

1. BBC News: “Primate Fossil ‘Not an Ancestor’”

Remember “Ida,” the missing link that wasn’t? In a Nature letter, scientists attack the lofty claims that surrounded the announcement of the fossil primate.

2. Did the Baby Mammoth, Lyuba, Suffocate in a Dust Storm?

In a special guest news analysis, creationist (and mammoth expert) Michael Oard considers the well-preserved mammoth “Lyuba” (whom we first discussed in A Mammoth Discovery). The occasion? Lyuba’s worldwide debut.

3. National Geographic News: “Chimps Display Humanlike Good Will”

Chimps, especially mothers and their offspring, help each other. While that makes them “more similar to humans than previously thought,” does it mean we’re all just apes?

4. ScienceDaily: “Are Humans Still Evolving? Absolutely, Says a New Analysis of a Long-term Survey of Human Health”

Many humans believe evolution does indeed happen. Is it happening to them as well?

5. BBC News: “‘Ethical’ Stem Cell Crop Boosted”

Research into stem cell therapies continues to find new ways to harvest the valuable cells without ethical compromises, as is shown by a new breakthrough described in Nature Methods.

6. And don't miss...

(Excerpt) Read more at answersingenesis.org ...


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1 posted on 10/24/2009 8:09:05 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/24/2009 8:10:35 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Here's a simple formula for GGG's spam posts.
Step 1: Find a scientist saying X.

Step 2: Find a scientist who disagrees with X.

Step 3: Since two scientists do not agree, science must be morally bankrupt.

Step 4: Post on Free Republic.

Step 5: Repeat, ad infinitum.


3 posted on 10/24/2009 8:26:01 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

Another spam reply from Alter Kaker, signifying nothing.


4 posted on 10/24/2009 8:31:53 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Alter Kaker
So what. That's just one form of argument. Another is to go dig up a skeleton that's clearly ancestral to us, but it's not an ape ~ more like a large tail-less monkey that wades in rivers and lakes to catch fish and crabs to eat.

Didn't you realize that the "evolution theorists" (those who try to imagine the "causes" of certain features) really blew it when it comes to the Chimp/Human relationship. It's undoubtedly there (else why all the genetic similarities) but it's not in our line.

Watching some bears lined up along a river in Alaska I had a sudden epiphany about why we had heels ~ it was clearly to minimize our energy costs while standing up in water. Then there's the running ~ we are the only primates who can run long distances. That's obviously to get out the way of the alligators!

5 posted on 10/24/2009 8:36:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GodGunsGuts
Another spam reply from Alter Kaker, signifying nothing.

Actually, my post is a very useful cribsheet for those Freepers whose busy lives do not afford them the time to peruse the massive volume of mindless anti-science drivel you post from your goat-herder's tent.

6 posted on 10/24/2009 8:53:28 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: muawiyah

I’m sure your post means a lot to you, but I find it completely incomprehensible.


7 posted on 10/24/2009 8:58:42 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I wish people on both sides of the creationist - evolutionist debate would please note the dynamic of the ancestor that wasn’t.

A scientist makes an important-seeming discovery, announcing what he hopes the discovery means. Being merely human, they naturally are prone to excitement and presumption.

The news media states with certainty what the discovery suggests, without waiting for any scientific confirmation, making all sort of inferences from it.

Here’s the key: Other scientists continue the process of validating or refuting the initial hypotheses and/or model. The system pits those their same human emotion against those of the original scientist. motivating them to disprove the original scientist.

They succeed or they don’t. In this case they do. They announce their own findings with a slightly overstated sense of assuredness. The scientific community weighs the merits of each set of arguments.

The news media largely ignores the later scientists, because their system is designed for pushing an opinion (and actually always has been), not discerning the truth.


8 posted on 10/24/2009 9:14:30 AM PDT by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
“This is the first link to all humans,” said Jørn Hurum, a member of the Darwinius team, at the press conference. His colleague Jens Franzen likened its scientific impact to “an asteroid falling down to Earth.” Hurum said the fossil, named “Ida” in honor of his daughter, would be a paleontological “Mona Lisa for the next 100 years.” Ida was front-page news; Google celebrated it with an iconic logo cartoon. The only people unimpressed by their conclusions were scientists.”

WiredScience 10/21/09

What a difference a few months makes. Ida to Coulda to Nada.

But I won't sit in front of the T.V. wearing my “I Love Ida” tee shirt, waiting for an extravaganza with fade in/out graphics and dramatic music announcing “the Mona Lisa for the next 100 years” barely made it for 100 days before getting The Hubris Hustle out the door.

Or as the Boffins of Bones might put it, “Glad Ida Dad Now Sad, Ida Had Bad Clad, Ida Not So Rad.”

My advice to Mr. Hurum: “Get a real hair cut, not the one they just gave you”.

9 posted on 10/24/2009 9:14:55 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

To be briefer: Most scientists legitimately are trying to find the truth, as should be demonstrated by the fact that other scientists pulled the rug on this ancestor story. The problem is that the news media sensationalizes one side, and ignores the other. And while I believe most creationist arguing are well-intentioned Christians, I fear that by pounding on the rift between science and religion, they skew the jury pool.


10 posted on 10/24/2009 9:18:48 AM PDT by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

As a Christian and a scientist, I have to say the way you spam with this and the AIDS stuff sometimes makes me wonder about your real motives here.


11 posted on 10/24/2009 9:20:56 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: count-your-change

Looks like Ida’s dad was making a bit of an advertisement to sensationalize his discovery.

I’d a had an Ida sad if Ida said Ida’s ad.


12 posted on 10/24/2009 9:21:58 AM PDT by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: Alter Kaker

“anti-science drivel “

I honestly want to know what drives a person to engage in this type thread if this is how one feels. Please help me to understand why one wouldn’t ignore it instead.


13 posted on 10/24/2009 9:22:35 AM PDT by beefree
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To: beefree
I honestly want to know what drives a person to engage in this type thread if this is how one feels. Please help me to understand why one wouldn’t ignore it instead.

Because ignoring propaganda isn't an answer. It has to be confronted.

14 posted on 10/24/2009 9:29:06 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: dangus

You’re hired! As I’m mired since helper fired.


15 posted on 10/24/2009 9:34:14 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: mysterio

What AIDS spam would that be? Would it be the AIDS spam from National Review? The AIDS spam from the Amercian Spectator? The AIDS spam from the Hoover Institution’s “Policy Review”? The AIDS spam from Reason Magazine? The AIDS spam from the same people who produced “The Great Global Warming Sindle”? Which AIDS spam are you referring to exactly?


16 posted on 10/24/2009 9:43:54 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Your "AIDS isn't caused by HIV" nonsense. That's where I think you overplayed your hand.

Christians play a large role in scientific research. You would paint us as flat earth conspiracy theorists. I have worked in research my whole adult life, and I can assure you that there's no conflict whatsoever between my faith and my work.

I've also spent almost 8 years posting here, and I think your dozens of threads every day do nothing positive for the site. I generally avoid your threads, but your spam volume has gotten to the point that I see no way to ignore it.
17 posted on 10/24/2009 9:50:33 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Alter Kaker

I appreciate that you responded. Propaganda: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one’s cause or to damage an opposing cause. Each side believes the other utilizes it. Since propaganda exists, why not let each FReeper decide for themselves which thread is important/interesting? It bothers me that nothing seems to get resolved via respectful debate or persuasion but often is simply an avenue for insults and name-calling. I would like to see threads posted, that a lay-person can understand, about the current position on evolution. Perhaps they exist and I have simply missed them. It often seems that opponents of GGG don’t actually refute the message, merely attack the messenger. God bless all FReepers, I am just asking us all to try to be kind, we should stick together against the Liberal takeover of U.S., and disagree respectfully on other matters, such as Crevo.


18 posted on 10/24/2009 10:02:06 AM PDT by beefree
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To: mysterio

BTW, I just noticed that you are attempting to hijack a creationist thread by diverting it into a debate about AIDS. If you wish for me to eat your lame AIDS alarmist arguments for lunch, please locate one of my Rethinking AIDS threads and deposit your comments there.

Have a nice day—GGG


19 posted on 10/24/2009 10:02:30 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
I think when discussing your motives, your thread history is certainly admissible.

However, my objection has been noted and I won't interrupt the thread further.

Have a good one.
20 posted on 10/24/2009 10:08:45 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
I happen to like the threads whether I agree or not with the articles. And that is the essence of a forum, to give people a chance to comment and debate on various subjects.

How many of the other HUNDREDS of threads each day that are repeats, vanities about pets and problems, prayer requests, etc. have you contacted and called them “spam”?

“I generally avoid your threads, but your spam volume has gotten to the point that I see no way to ignore it.”

CLUE: Don't click on the thread.

21 posted on 10/24/2009 10:15:42 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: mysterio

Uh oh. You said ‘AIDS’.


22 posted on 10/24/2009 10:19:24 AM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: count-your-change

Some of us like to discuss the article, but that doesn’t seem to be allowed lately.


23 posted on 10/24/2009 10:20:17 AM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: count-your-change
How many of the other HUNDREDS of threads each day that are repeats, vanities about pets and problems, prayer requests, etc. have you contacted and called them “spam”?

There's a difference that's intuitively obvious to the casual observer.
24 posted on 10/24/2009 10:21:19 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
Are you saying this isnt news? Technically AIG isnt a strict 'news' website. It is written more in the style of a parody. But you can get some useful information from it from time to time.

They had an excellent series of articles on AIDS a while back, Ill try to dig up the links.

25 posted on 10/24/2009 10:30:18 AM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla
What/who has stopped you or like minded posters?

I do notice a few come to ridicule other posters and have nothing to say about the subject of the thread.

If anyone wishes to discuss the article there are others of us who wish to also and will but not when accompanied by personal insults.

26 posted on 10/24/2009 10:44:55 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Thats fair enough. Its just that when I broached a certain topic that was related to the article, the mods were called in. I wasnt insulting anybody. We dont always agree, but I respect GGG.


27 posted on 10/24/2009 10:50:24 AM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla

I haven’t gone back over the thread so i don’t know what comment or topic you brought up, and I wasn’t suggesting you did insult anyone.

I’ve argued, debated, too but at the end of the day it’s just two people talking and nothing personal. but that seems to be a hurdle some can’t get over so they argue about where the thread is placed, the subject matter, the posters, how many articles are posted, anything but the article.

So anytime you want to discuss or cuss the articles, I’ll probably be around somewhere.

With respect, C-Y-C.


28 posted on 10/24/2009 11:08:22 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: mysterio
The same button works all of them.
If you dislike/disagree with the creationist viewpoint, that's an understandable objection, as is contradicting what is said, but the term “ spam” says something else entirely that you haven't explained and “intuitively obvious” it isn't.

So why are these threads “spam”?

29 posted on 10/24/2009 11:18:22 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

I have no problem with any of that. Take care CyC.


30 posted on 10/24/2009 11:47:07 AM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: count-your-change; GodGunsGuts
I generally do avoid the threads, as I find the conclusions drawn by GGG to be questionable at best. However, the frequency of his postings ensures that at least one of his threads is on the Latest Posts page almost constantly.

I think he posts these threads to try to trap those who do not believe in YEC into a pseudo-debate. After that, he often pings the mods to come to his defense. I find this practice distasteful. After watching multiple instances of this strategy, I found it impossible not to highlight it.
31 posted on 10/24/2009 11:48:58 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

O.K. I rather enjoy the subject matter and so forth and I don’t have to agree with all the conclusions drawn to do so. But some don’t, so be it. Cheers!


32 posted on 10/24/2009 12:04:36 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Likewise to you. Hope that your weekend is a good one.


33 posted on 10/24/2009 12:08:05 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: RightWingNilla

I HAVE to take care, being too fat to run, too dumb to lie, and too old for any more serious mistakes. cheers.


34 posted on 10/24/2009 12:09:15 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Not at all surprising.


35 posted on 10/24/2009 1:28:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


36 posted on 10/24/2009 8:43:42 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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