Skip to comments.LAPD Freaks Out America With New Orewellian Ad (But It's OK If The Obama White House Does It)BARF
Posted on 10/24/2009 1:07:59 PM PDT by Dallas59
After the 9/11 attacks, we were told the solution to terrorism was to have citizens spy on each other, and not to, say, elect a competent government. Thats when TIPS (Terrorist Information and Prevention System) was born, an initiative to recruit one million volunteers in 10 cities across the country that encouraged them to report suspicious activity that might be terrorism-related. An investigative political journalist, Ritt Goldstein, observed in Australias Sydney Morning Herald that TIPS would provide America with a higher percentage of citizen spies than the former East Germany had under the notorious Stasi secret police.
An editorial in the Washington Post decried the program:
Americans should not be subjecting themselves to law enforcement scrutiny merely by having cable lines installed, mail delivered or meters read. Police cannot routinely enter peoples houses without either permission or a warrant. They should not be using utility workers to conduct surveillance they could not lawfully conduct themselves.
The United States Postal Service stated categorically it would refuse to allow its mailpersons to participate, and the ACLU wasted no time in calling the TIPS program exactly what it was, a contingent of organized government informants and government-sanctioned peeping toms, and an end run around the Constitution.
The Constitution. Remember that thing? The Fourth Amendment guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, and includes the right to a reasonable expectation of privacy. Maybe Americans have gotten so accustomed to the government spying on their phone calls, and indefinitely detaining detainees without trial or presented evidence, that the occasional citizen spying program doesnt seem unusual to them anymore.
Operation TIPS was officially cancelled in 2002 when the Homeland Security Act was passed by Congress. However, in 2008, the Denver Post reported that 181 individuals, including police officers, paramedics, firefighters, utility workers, and railroad employees had been trained as Terrorism Liaison Officers to report suspicious information which could be signs of terrorist activity, a virtually identical TIPS program, and a classic example of same shit, different toilet.
Now, the LAPD appears to be implementing a mini-TIPS program. Hopefully, similar outrage from L.A. citizens will lead to the cancellation of iWatch. Its the job of law enforcement and the government, and not citizens, to police the streets. Citizens are not trained in information-gathering techniques, and theres a reason law enforcement must obtain warrants before violating an individuals privacy. Programs like TIPS, or Terrorism Liaison Officers, or iWatch are all different names for the same thing: unconstitutional spying.
In an article opposing the TIPS program, Marjorie Cohn, an associate professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law in San Diego, quotes, Watch out for well-meaning men of zeal, words penned 74 years ago by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. Indeed. Watch out for well-meaning persons of zeal, whether they sit in the Oval Office or in the LAPD headquarters.
I saw a similar commercial recently. I can’t remember it too clearly, but it promoted people watching for and reporting suspicious activity. My first thought was what if this had been put out by the Bush asministration. Racial Profiling for sure. Big Brother for sure.
How wrong is this statement! The police absolutely rely on the public to tell them what's happening. Yes, of course the police are "on the lookout" for criminal activity. But they don't see what is going on behind their backs and around the block from where they happen to be at any given time.
During 2008, just the LAPD handled 2,175,009 911 calls. They responded to 729,971 calls. I wonder who the author of this stupidity thinks made the 911 calls and who summoned the police all those times...could it be citizens? Hmmm.
So-o-o-o, business is so slow at LAPD that they have to advertise for work? Sounds like a good place to start with budget cuts.....
What people in LA should do ...is report everything. Somebody spits on the sidewalk...call. Somebody sneezes...call. Somebody farts...call. Doggie poops on the grass...call. Somebody litters...call. That kind of $hit would get old really fast and the authorities would be flooded with BS calls...all day...all night...24/7. “Big Brother” would be damn sorry he started this kind of crap. You want calls??? We’ll give you calls. Morons.
You’re the moron here. The’re not trying to get more calls, they’re trying to get better information. As soon as the 911 system was put into place the call volume quadrupled. People call about all the things you put in your post. The police need people to do their job. See the morons are those people who don’t understand that the police are the people and the people are the police. You probably don’t live in LA.
I VATCH MEIN NEIGHBORS MEIN FUHRER.
Too bad the LAPD is run by two liberals - hard-ass liberal Bratton and La Raza booster Villaraigosa.
I’m trying to read the article, but all I hear is the sound of whirling chopper blades from the black helicopters landing in the background.
Dig those dildo-missile towers on the Mohammadan compounds. I guess they’re just trying to compensate for the smallness of their members.
I’m very suspicious of my neighbor. He wears black dress socks with his bermuda shorts.
Next they will have web cameras on every streetlight, online, with monetary rewards, and it will be a return to East German ways in LA. The East Germans before the wall came down were notorious for having almost half the population spying or informing on the other half. Just think how much easier that will be in the digital age. Here’s an idea in that vein - Let’s have mandatory web cams in every residence to help reduce domestic violence...you know, for the kids. (sarcasm, for those of us who have had a few)
I think it is HARMLESS, as long as people use good judgement, and report only TRULY suspicious, generally also illegal, and not merely unusual behavior. But, it COULD be shades of 1984, if abused.
Every time my roommate takes a dump, I “smell something suspicious.”
Didn't think so.
Dang, that's some strong medication you're on there pal.
I think about how much money was wasted on this crap.
Exactly....Bush is bad...Obammy is the way.
Yep...that’s what the Nazis thought in Hitler’s time, too. But then you probably don’t remember that. I do. Getting people to spy on each other is how it begins. In many respects, our similar time has already begun.
Pop! I just had a flash from an old movie (Fahrenheit 451)where a helicopter flies over and broadcasts that everyone is to be on the lookout for a certain “criminal”.
Ever door on the street opens and everyone inside files out and stands on the porch looking around for criminals.
I tried to watch my neighbor but they arrested me for stalking.
Big Brother will be pleased.
What's the difference between the police in the USA and the police in nazi germany? The dedication of the police to protect and serve the people, not the government.
Do you really think the police in the US are comparable to the geheimstatzpolizi?
Not where I live. We don’t tolerate it. Not in LA. The politicians hate the LAPD because they don’t do what the pols demand. Bratton, the soon to be former chief just unloaded on them for trying. He came in as a “reformer” believing what the media said and is leaving as a believer in the good work that organization does. If you don’t believe the political class why would you believe the news media that supports them? There’s a logical disconnect there.
Don’t you want it to be true? If you do, why don’t you try making it happen (assuming you can get out from behind the computer screeen) It’s easy to snipe at something good because you’re a cynic. It’s hard to actually get engaged. Where did you get your opinion that what I averred is not true? From the news media? Don’t believe them, they lie.
Anybody spot a hairy man with a strange looking cup holder and not a drop of cream in the house?
Either buy a cow or get rid of the hat...
Got both. Spent 35 years in the trenches...but I’ve never been a weatherman.
Absolutely not. The police don't dream up this crap...they are ordered to do it by the "big boys" who you never see. But if we let the government intrude too deeply into our personal lives, we soon erode our freedom. It doesn't happen in a blinding flash of light...it happens slowly...insidiously. The founders wrote the Constitution to protect us from the government, but if we don't us it as such, we will all eventually be enslaved. History teaches us it has happened before.
In Florida we have “right-to-carry concealed” permits issued by the State.
Even so, several years ago, a Miami policeman told me that he would confiscate any pistol
not registered in the City of Miami, even if the person carrying it didn’t live in the city
because that was what he had been told to do. Who gave the order? The people?
He had no Second or Fifth Amendment problem with this order.
(Since then, I understand that the city did away with registration of firearms.)
What I said about the police doing whatever the politicians said was agreed to by
a retired NYPD policeman with over twenty years in uniform who was sitting at the table.
Isn’t that what the “Oath Keepers/Takers” all about. How is this movement being
received by the average LA policeman or the LA Police Department.
Apparently neither do you.........
No, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn there once. Well, actually I spent 21 years on the LAPD too. I still have many contacts there as well.
North Hollywood, West LA, Foothill, POffice of Operations, Planning & Research, Southwest, OWB CRASH, Van Nuys, Hollywood.
If you sit passively stewing about the bad attitude of a few of the police you're not "in the game". Police leaders need to know about these bad apples. The chiefs and bosses are home in bed when most police contacts are made. If they're not they're in their offices checking mail, working on budgets and deciding what to order for lunch.
We citizens (yes, I consider myself a citizen) must insist that the police adhere to the spirit of the law. If we don't, the bad guys within government will win.
If you haven't done so, I suggest you call your police agency and ask about their policies and procedures. Don't be put off by the phone answerer, find a way to get to the boss. Invite him/her to a community event and make him/her feel like you are not just another angry complainer. Every law enforcement agency has chronic complainers. You need to avoid being put into that category. Make your first contact a positive one. Win them over and make them see that you're not a problem, but a supporter.
Chances are they'll be defensive at first. Virtually nobody comes to the police and gives them good news. Treat them like you would a colleague. Then slip in your concern. If you're blown off, then you know you've got a real problem. The people need to stop expecting that the police will take care of problems without them. That just isn't reality.
but now with hate crime laws, you can be reported for the thought crime of being Republican.
Being arab ?????
With the descriptors of potential terrorists from these groups, both in Los Angeles and Washington D.C., the main worry should be ....
Living While Being Constitutional Conservative !
>.a program that encourages residents to spy on each other and report any suspicious behavior (whatever that means) to the authorities
Well, no step is too much in the Jihad against Tabak.
He’s barbecuing red meat again! With a beer in his hand!
I understand. We have to work to change that.