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LAPD Freaks Out America With New Orewellian Ad (But It's OK If The Obama White House Does It)BARF
True/Slant ^ | 10/24/2009 | Allison Kilkenny

Posted on 10/24/2009 1:07:59 PM PDT by Dallas59



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The LAPD has just released a new Orwellian commercial for iWatch, a program that encourages residents to spy on each other and report any “suspicious behavior” (whatever that means) to the authorities, who we’re assured will sort everything out.

Unsurprisingly, many people are reacting negatively to the ad. Huffington Post commenters call the ad “scary,” “hysterical,” and one individual muses about how long it’s going to take Apple to sue the LAPD for copyright infringement. NBC Los Angeles declares that the LAPD is “creeping out America.”

This isn’t the first time a creepy spying ad has hit the airwaves. A reader informed me that the post-9/11 Australian government formed something called the National Security Hotline, a similar program to iWatch.

These kinds of anonymous hotlines are ripe for abuse, and there exist endless possibilities of innocent citizens being reported by their neighbors for the crime of “Living While Being Arab.”

We all remember the terrible TIPS program, the Bush administration’s “solution” to its own catastrophic intelligence failure that led to the attacks of September 11, 2001. Not that anything was actually wrong with the intelligence. In fact, President Bush received an intelligence briefing a month before 9/11 with the title, “Bin Laden determined to attack inside the U.S.” that included the warning al Qaeda had been considering ways to hijack American planes. The intelligence itself was just fine, but the hapless Bush administration ignored the warnings.

After the 9/11 attacks, we were told the solution to terrorism was to have citizens spy on each other, and not to, say, elect a competent government. That’s when TIPS (Terrorist Information and Prevention System) was born, an initiative to recruit one million volunteers in 10 cities across the country that encouraged them to report suspicious activity that might be terrorism-related. An investigative political journalist, Ritt Goldstein, observed in Australia’s Sydney Morning Herald that TIPS would provide America with a higher percentage of “citizen spies” than the former East Germany had under the notorious Stasi secret police.

An editorial in the Washington Post decried the program:

“Americans should not be subjecting themselves to law enforcement scrutiny merely by having cable lines installed, mail delivered or meters read. Police cannot routinely enter people’s houses without either permission or a warrant. They should not be using utility workers to conduct surveillance they could not lawfully conduct themselves.”

The United States Postal Service stated categorically it would refuse to allow its mailpersons to participate, and the ACLU wasted no time in calling the TIPS program exactly what it was, “a contingent of organized government informants” and “government-sanctioned peeping toms,” and an “end run around the Constitution.”

The Constitution. Remember that thing? The Fourth Amendment guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, and includes the right to a reasonable expectation of privacy. Maybe Americans have gotten so accustomed to the government spying on their phone calls, and indefinitely detaining detainees without trial or presented evidence, that the occasional citizen spying program doesn’t seem unusual to them anymore.

Operation TIPS was officially cancelled in 2002 when the Homeland Security Act was passed by Congress. However, in 2008, the Denver Post reported that 181 individuals, including police officers, paramedics, firefighters, utility workers, and railroad employees had been trained as “Terrorism Liaison Officers” to report suspicious information which could be signs of terrorist activity, a virtually identical TIPS program, and a classic example of “same shit, different toilet.”

Now, the LAPD appears to be implementing a mini-TIPS program. Hopefully, similar outrage from L.A. citizens will lead to the cancellation of iWatch. It’s the job of law enforcement and the government, and not citizens, to police the streets. Citizens are not trained in information-gathering techniques, and there’s a reason law enforcement must obtain warrants before violating an individual’s privacy. Programs like TIPS, or “Terrorism Liaison Officers,” or iWatch are all different names for the same thing: unconstitutional spying.

In an article opposing the TIPS program, Marjorie Cohn, an associate professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law in San Diego, quotes, “Watch out for well-meaning men of zeal,” words penned 74 years ago by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. Indeed. Watch out for well-meaning persons of zeal, whether they sit in the Oval Office or in the LAPD headquarters.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; lapd; terrorism; watch
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Bush was evil...Obammy is good. Not a finger nail bit on lefty side of the fence when the Obammy White House asked citizens to report Health Care opponents.
1 posted on 10/24/2009 1:07:59 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59
Sorry...Link here:

Video Link
2 posted on 10/24/2009 1:10:11 PM PDT by Dallas59 (No To O -Time is going by really really really really slow.)
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To: bamahead

ping


3 posted on 10/24/2009 1:16:45 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: Dallas59

I saw a similar commercial recently. I can’t remember it too clearly, but it promoted people watching for and reporting suspicious activity. My first thought was what if this had been put out by the Bush asministration. Racial Profiling for sure. Big Brother for sure.


4 posted on 10/24/2009 1:16:59 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." Orwell)
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To: Dallas59
It’s the job of law enforcement and the government, and not citizens, to police the streets. Citizens are not trained in information-gathering techniques, and there’s a reason law enforcement must obtain warrants before violating an individual’s privacy.

How wrong is this statement! The police absolutely rely on the public to tell them what's happening. Yes, of course the police are "on the lookout" for criminal activity. But they don't see what is going on behind their backs and around the block from where they happen to be at any given time.

During 2008, just the LAPD handled 2,175,009 911 calls. They responded to 729,971 calls. I wonder who the author of this stupidity thinks made the 911 calls and who summoned the police all those times...could it be citizens? Hmmm.

5 posted on 10/24/2009 1:19:27 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: FrdmLvr
Suspicious activity:


6 posted on 10/24/2009 1:20:25 PM PDT by Dallas59 (No To O -Time is going by really really really really slow.)
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To: Dallas59

So-o-o-o, business is so slow at LAPD that they have to advertise for work? Sounds like a good place to start with budget cuts.....

hh


7 posted on 10/24/2009 1:22:03 PM PDT by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
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To: Dallas59

What people in LA should do ...is report everything. Somebody spits on the sidewalk...call. Somebody sneezes...call. Somebody farts...call. Doggie poops on the grass...call. Somebody litters...call. That kind of $hit would get old really fast and the authorities would be flooded with BS calls...all day...all night...24/7. “Big Brother” would be damn sorry he started this kind of crap. You want calls??? We’ll give you calls. Morons.


8 posted on 10/24/2009 1:22:31 PM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: Dallas59

LOL!


9 posted on 10/24/2009 1:26:34 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." Orwell)
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To: GoldenPup

You’re the moron here. The’re not trying to get more calls, they’re trying to get better information. As soon as the 911 system was put into place the call volume quadrupled. People call about all the things you put in your post. The police need people to do their job. See the morons are those people who don’t understand that the police are the people and the people are the police. You probably don’t live in LA.


10 posted on 10/24/2009 1:31:49 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: Dallas59

I VATCH MEIN NEIGHBORS MEIN FUHRER.


11 posted on 10/24/2009 1:33:31 PM PDT by seawolf101
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To: Dallas59

Too bad the LAPD is run by two liberals - hard-ass liberal Bratton and La Raza booster Villaraigosa.


12 posted on 10/24/2009 1:33:56 PM PDT by ruination
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To: Dallas59

I’m trying to read the article, but all I hear is the sound of whirling chopper blades from the black helicopters landing in the background.


13 posted on 10/24/2009 1:38:27 PM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: Dallas59

Dig those dildo-missile towers on the Mohammadan compounds. I guess they’re just trying to compensate for the smallness of their members.


14 posted on 10/24/2009 1:42:57 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Dallas59

I’m very suspicious of my neighbor. He wears black dress socks with his bermuda shorts.

Very suspicious.


15 posted on 10/24/2009 1:42:58 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Dallas59

Next they will have web cameras on every streetlight, online, with monetary rewards, and it will be a return to East German ways in LA. The East Germans before the wall came down were notorious for having almost half the population spying or informing on the other half. Just think how much easier that will be in the digital age. Here’s an idea in that vein - Let’s have mandatory web cams in every residence to help reduce domestic violence...you know, for the kids. (sarcasm, for those of us who have had a few)


16 posted on 10/24/2009 1:48:44 PM PDT by eldoradude (Let's water the tree of liberty with THEIR blood...)
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To: Dallas59

I think it is HARMLESS, as long as people use good judgement, and report only TRULY suspicious, generally also illegal, and not merely unusual behavior. But, it COULD be shades of 1984, if abused.


17 posted on 10/24/2009 1:49:29 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Dallas59
What a terrible bit of slander. For an article purportedly about a current LAPD article... They only mention this program in passing in the first few sentences. Then over 90% of the text is an ill-informed and poorly-written screed against former President Bush. This is what passes for journalism now? No wonder the legacy media is dying.
18 posted on 10/24/2009 1:51:51 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: Dallas59

Every time my roommate takes a dump, I “smell something suspicious.”


19 posted on 10/24/2009 1:53:18 PM PDT by Karma Police (Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!!!)
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To: Dallas59
So if you report to the LAPD that you think pretty much everyone in your neighborhood is an illegal alien, they'll come running?

Didn't think so.

20 posted on 10/24/2009 1:54:53 PM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property....)
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To: Dallas59
The intelligence itself was just fine, but the hapless Bush administration ignored the warnings.

IMAGINE the outcry if Bush had acted and tried to prevent 9/11 based on some vague nebulous intelligence.
21 posted on 10/24/2009 2:01:35 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Karma Police
People flock to this town to be seen and reported on. The main reason some neighborhoods are over run by thugs is , people don't want to be called a snitch . They would rather deal with drive byes and intimidation than rat out to the man.
22 posted on 10/24/2009 2:02:07 PM PDT by fantom (,)
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To: oneolcop
...the police are the people and the people are the police.

Dang, that's some strong medication you're on there pal.

23 posted on 10/24/2009 2:06:24 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Dallas59

I think about how much money was wasted on this crap.


24 posted on 10/24/2009 2:09:37 PM PDT by vpintheak (4-times an extremist)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Exactly....Bush is bad...Obammy is the way.


25 posted on 10/24/2009 2:51:31 PM PDT by Dallas59 (No To O -Time is going by really really really really slow.)
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To: oneolcop
...the police are the people and the people are the police.

The police are the minions (the enforcement arm) of the politicians.
26 posted on 10/24/2009 3:29:17 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei (quem deus vult perdere prius dementat)
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To: oneolcop

Yep...that’s what the Nazis thought in Hitler’s time, too. But then you probably don’t remember that. I do. Getting people to spy on each other is how it begins. In many respects, our similar time has already begun.


27 posted on 10/24/2009 3:53:22 PM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: Dallas59
***.... a program that encourages residents to spy on each other and report any “suspicious behavior” (whatever that means) to the authorities, who we’re assured will sort everything out.***

Pop! I just had a flash from an old movie (Fahrenheit 451)where a helicopter flies over and broadcasts that everyone is to be on the lookout for a certain “criminal”.

Ever door on the street opens and everyone inside files out and stands on the porch looking around for criminals.

28 posted on 10/24/2009 3:56:48 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (You talkin' ta me? YOU TALKIN TO ME! Well just who are you talkin' to?)
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To: Dallas59

I tried to watch my neighbor but they arrested me for stalking.


29 posted on 10/24/2009 4:15:50 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (God bless)
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To: Dallas59

Big Brother will be pleased.


30 posted on 10/24/2009 7:02:43 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: GoldenPup
What's the difference between someone calling 911 to report something suspicious and using the internet? No difference in terms of effect.

What's the difference between the police in the USA and the police in nazi germany? The dedication of the police to protect and serve the people, not the government.

Do you really think the police in the US are comparable to the geheimstatzpolizi?

31 posted on 10/24/2009 7:43:54 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: Hiddigeigei

Not where I live. We don’t tolerate it. Not in LA. The politicians hate the LAPD because they don’t do what the pols demand. Bratton, the soon to be former chief just unloaded on them for trying. He came in as a “reformer” believing what the media said and is leaving as a believer in the good work that organization does. If you don’t believe the political class why would you believe the news media that supports them? There’s a logical disconnect there.


32 posted on 10/24/2009 7:53:21 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: facedown

Don’t you want it to be true? If you do, why don’t you try making it happen (assuming you can get out from behind the computer screeen) It’s easy to snipe at something good because you’re a cynic. It’s hard to actually get engaged. Where did you get your opinion that what I averred is not true? From the news media? Don’t believe them, they lie.


33 posted on 10/24/2009 7:57:32 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: Dallas59

Anybody spot a hairy man with a strange looking cup holder and not a drop of cream in the house?


34 posted on 10/24/2009 8:26:14 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: oneolcop

Either buy a cow or get rid of the hat...


35 posted on 10/24/2009 8:27:31 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

Got both. Spent 35 years in the trenches...but I’ve never been a weatherman.


36 posted on 10/24/2009 8:34:05 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: oneolcop
Do you really think the police in the US are comparable to the geheimstatzpolizi?

Absolutely not. The police don't dream up this crap...they are ordered to do it by the "big boys" who you never see. But if we let the government intrude too deeply into our personal lives, we soon erode our freedom. It doesn't happen in a blinding flash of light...it happens slowly...insidiously. The founders wrote the Constitution to protect us from the government, but if we don't us it as such, we will all eventually be enslaved. History teaches us it has happened before.

37 posted on 10/25/2009 4:39:33 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: oneolcop

In Florida we have “right-to-carry concealed” permits issued by the State.
Even so, several years ago, a Miami policeman told me that he would confiscate any pistol
not registered in the City of Miami, even if the person carrying it didn’t live in the city
because that was what he had been told to do. Who gave the order? The people?

He had no Second or Fifth Amendment problem with this order.
(Since then, I understand that the city did away with registration of firearms.)

What I said about the police doing whatever the politicians said was agreed to by
a retired NYPD policeman with over twenty years in uniform who was sitting at the table.

Isn’t that what the “Oath Keepers/Takers” all about. How is this movement being
received by the average LA policeman or the LA Police Department.


38 posted on 10/25/2009 9:02:14 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei (quem deus vult perdere prius dementat)
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To: oneolcop
You probably don’t live in LA.

Apparently neither do you.........

39 posted on 10/25/2009 9:07:30 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Obama's a self-made man who worships his own creator...............)
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To: Osage Orange

No, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn there once. Well, actually I spent 21 years on the LAPD too. I still have many contacts there as well.


40 posted on 10/25/2009 1:43:22 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: oneolcop

What division?


41 posted on 10/25/2009 9:04:46 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Obama's a self-made man who worships his own creator...............)
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To: Osage Orange

North Hollywood, West LA, Foothill, POffice of Operations, Planning & Research, Southwest, OWB CRASH, Van Nuys, Hollywood.


42 posted on 10/26/2009 9:48:30 AM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: Hiddigeigei
I spent 21 years on the LAPD and another 10 on other departments. I retired as Chief Deputy/Undersheriff (second in command) of a county Sheriff's office. I am an OathKeeper. I signed up just after the site came online. In 27 years in leadership positions I demanded integrity in my subordinates. I taught police ethics for the US Dept of Justice and in in-service training. I guess I have a pretty good handle on the subject.

If you sit passively stewing about the bad attitude of a few of the police you're not "in the game". Police leaders need to know about these bad apples. The chiefs and bosses are home in bed when most police contacts are made. If they're not they're in their offices checking mail, working on budgets and deciding what to order for lunch.

We citizens (yes, I consider myself a citizen) must insist that the police adhere to the spirit of the law. If we don't, the bad guys within government will win.

If you haven't done so, I suggest you call your police agency and ask about their policies and procedures. Don't be put off by the phone answerer, find a way to get to the boss. Invite him/her to a community event and make him/her feel like you are not just another angry complainer. Every law enforcement agency has chronic complainers. You need to avoid being put into that category. Make your first contact a positive one. Win them over and make them see that you're not a problem, but a supporter.

Chances are they'll be defensive at first. Virtually nobody comes to the police and gives them good news. Treat them like you would a colleague. Then slip in your concern. If you're blown off, then you know you've got a real problem. The people need to stop expecting that the police will take care of problems without them. That just isn't reality.

43 posted on 10/26/2009 10:42:37 AM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: Dallas59

but now with hate crime laws, you can be reported for the thought crime of being Republican.


44 posted on 10/26/2009 11:17:38 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Dallas59
.....the crime of “Living While Being Arab.”

Being arab ?????

With the descriptors of potential terrorists from these groups, both in Los Angeles and Washington D.C., the main worry should be ....

Living While Being Constitutional Conservative !

Nam Vet

45 posted on 10/26/2009 11:25:02 AM PDT by Nam Vet ("Goodnight Mrs. Calabash, Wherever you are ! ")
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To: Dallas59

>.a program that encourages residents to spy on each other and report any “suspicious behavior” (whatever that means) to the authorities

Well, no step is too much in the Jihad against Tabak.

And,

He’s barbecuing red meat again! With a beer in his hand!


46 posted on 10/26/2009 11:31:19 AM PDT by swarthyguy (MEAT, the new tobacco. Your right to eat meat ends where my planetary ecosystem begins.)
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To: oneolcop
I am an OathKeeper. I signed up just after the site came online.

Good for you! I say that very sincerely. I pray the OathKeeper movement sweeps the country.

I’ve known a few policemen (retired). Most tell me that while in service they associated socially almost exclusively with other police. One even told me he was expected to and would lie in court to cover a fellow officer (unless it was too outrageous a situation).
I saw on TV what the police did to law-abiding folk in New Orleans.
Today I read an article about a grandmother in England who was visited (and threatened) by the British police at the request of her local politicians because she wrote a letter to her local government complaining about a homosexual parade. True, that was “over there.”

I realize that “the policeman’s lot is not a happy one.” They often have a demanding and difficult and even necessary job, and, so far, I have no personal complaints against them; but I really don’t believe that they consider themselves to be, or really are, “the people.”
47 posted on 10/26/2009 12:29:52 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei (quem deus vult perdere prius dementat)
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To: Hiddigeigei
but I really don’t believe that they consider themselves to be, or really are, “the people.”

I understand. We have to work to change that.

48 posted on 10/26/2009 7:54:21 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: FrdmLvr
I believe this has more to do with making neighbors fearful of talking openly with their friends, neighbors, even family about what is going on, for fear of being turned in for talking against the govt. IT's so the people who watch TMZ do not find out what is REALLY going on in this country.
49 posted on 10/26/2009 8:01:13 PM PDT by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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50 posted on 10/27/2009 7:51:22 AM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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