Posted on 10/24/2009 9:29:43 PM PDT by Steelfish
I Won't Rule Out Converting To Catholicism, Says Bishop
By MAIL ON SUNDAY REPORTER 25th October 2009
Outspoken: Dr Michael Nazir-Ali could set a trend
A controversial bishop yesterday became the most high-profile cleric to hint he might convert to the Roman Catholic Church following the Pope’s offer to disaffected Anglicans.
The former Bishop of Rochester, Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, an outspoken figure in the Church of England, said: ‘I won’t rule it out or rule it in. I wait with interest to see what the details of the offer are.’
Any suggestion that Dr Nazir-Ali, who retired in September, could join the Catholic Church would encourage others to follow.
The Vatican said last week it would allow Anglican clergy and worshippers to enter into full unity with the Catholic Church, prompting speculation that up to 1,000 clergy could defect.
Church of England traditionalists have been warning for years that issues such as the consecration of women bishops and acceptance of gay clergy would cause splits.
Dr Nazir-Ali was a keynote speaker yesterday at a London conference of 500 traditionalists, who welcomed Pope Benedict XVI’s initiative. They voted in favour of consulting parishes on the next move.
But they said until details of the apostolic constitution decree were published, laying down the terms of the offer, they could not make any firm decisions.
The former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Carey of Clifton, branded as ‘inexcusable’ the Vatican’s failure to warn his successor, Dr Rowan Williams, of the plans. But Dr Williams insisted the development did not damage relations between the churches.
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That would send such a powerful message...
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Not surprised Biship Nazir-Ali may convert .
He has been spot on with earlier comments with
the Church in England and other issues.
Wow. First the Bishop of Chichester and now Bishop Nazir-Ali (one of the most vocal of the Anglican bishops to stand up against the ABC’s call for shariah law in England, by the way). I wonder if the Bishop of Durham, N.T. Wright, would come along, although I suspect he is not inclined Romeward. He wrote a great book defending the historicity of the Resurrection, however.
Time for the Catholic Church to administer the “Last Rites” to All of Protestantism.
The Holy Father’s action is totally consistent with his line of thinking. His opposition to the liberals in the Church is that insistence that practices long established cannot be overturned without scandal, that Vatican II was not a “new Pentecost” but entirely consistent with the long history of the Church. He recognizes the catholic elements in Anglicanism, which gained new strength with the Oxford Movement. He seems to have found a way to accept the tradition of a married priesthood simply by reinterpreting it to conform with a similar tradition in the Eastern Churches. His appreciation of beauty in the liturgy cannot not have failed to make him all that more appreciative of the beauty of the Anglican liturgy. Even an imperfect knowledge of English allows him to compare it with the banal English translation of the new Latin Liturgy and of the NAB.
Yes- and with the limitation that there would be no married Bishops allowed.
Rowan Williams is too busy talking about the positives of having Sharia law in the UK.
If they don’t accept the Catholic Catechism, the door will be closed to them as it must be.
If they don’t accept the Catholic Catechism, the door will be closed to them as it must be.
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If this happens, attending Anglican Mass on Sunday would “count” toward the weekly obligation for a Catholic to attend Mass. Correct?
Not so fast. They must subscribe to the Catholic Catechism- Recite the Credo, and of course believe in The Holy Eucharist as the True Body and Blood of the Christ Under the External Appearances of Bread and Wine.
That would be correct. Assisting at the liturgy of any church in communion with the successor of Peter, regardless of rite, use or form, would satisfy one’s Sunday obligation.
First get the CATHOLICS to accept it.
You’re right that we need to wait and see, and perhaps there will not be the tide of converts that some expect. I think probably TAC and some Anglo-Catholics in England are the most likely to take advantage. Most Evangelicals will likely remain in ACNA in the US or otherwise in the Continuum, or perhaps remaining pockets of TEC or COE that are less liberal. I do get the sense that in England, at least, the general body of Anglo-Catholics really are bitter about how the vote for women’s episcopal ordination went last year, with practically no concern for providing acceptable accommodation for them. I would not be surprised if much of FIF UK and the flying bishops came into a new Catholic structure. I’ll be fascinated to see what sort of liturgy or liturgies will be adopted.
Well I understand. Like the RINOs, there are CINOs
I’m giving you a big fat NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!!
And sometimes they sit on episcopal thrones.
That means a whole lot of people.
The Wanderer wrote about a year ago that 3 bishops and 500 parishes had petitioned the Pope to enter the Catholic Church.
It looks like the petitioners have doubled since last year.
Happening now. Ordaining women and queers, and blessing queer marriage will be the death knell of mainstream Protestantism. Anglican/Episcopal is just the beginning.
Here is a loving thread.
This is in England right now. I understand that English churches are empty. And when the movement spreads to the USA, I doubt that most Traditional Anglican churches are that large. They ones I've known meet in borrowed quarters and homes. But, my hope is that there are hordes of people who come back to Catholic Church -- vibrant hordes. The Bulgarian Orthodox church (according to their Met.) wants to start talks with Rome too, I read.
What problem do you find with this Anglican Bishop?
“Merry England” (roughly between 1350 and 1520), with its annual festive round of the liturgical year, with plays and pageants, with popular piety and decorated rood lofts, dancing and singing brides, roast beef and good brown ale -— was Catholic England.
Sounds like a happy outcome to me.
NOTHING
YOU shall know them by their fruits.
First you said.
>>Here is a loving thread.<<
then
>>YOU shall know them by their fruits.<<
What fruits? What are you talking about? Do you have a problem with the Bishop? You said Nothing.
So can you please explain to me why you pinged me to this thread?
THIS will be my last POST or PING to you. I do not play mind games and I call them like I see them. And I do NOT call up reinforcements when I say what I have to say.
IF your question has one ounce of sincerity then read the comments.
No, you finish conversations in FReepmail and don’t want them posted in public forum.
Please state clearly what the problem is. Because at this point I am totally confused.
>>I do not play mind games and I call them like I see them. And I do NOT call up reinforcements when I say what I have to say. <<
Then please “call them”.
Tell me specifically what you want me to read here.
Sorry I stayed on the topic of this thread which is Marx gets Vatican thumbs up. And it is a fact that Nanny state Pelosi and that old ‘lion’ in the Senate were/are practicing Catholics and yet are socialist/marxist at the same time, among many many others. That is the dialog that obviously cannot be discussed. And if I have something to say to a person I address them directly and do not summon up reinforcements to make my points. Furthermore it is a bit disingenuous to present the notion that ‘protestants’ are dearly beloved in your Church, I have personally LIVED the opposite. You want to tell me that I as a non-Catholic am going to end up beside you in the hereafter??? God said HE is not a respecter of persons but that is NOT the practice I have encountered by practicing Catholics I continue to encounter liberal or otherwise. Now do you suppose that since I send this privately it will stay that way?
Not probably as concerns TAC, but definitely. The Apostolic Constitution is the response to the TAC's petition though it is applicable to others, too. The Primate of the TAC (head bishop) has promised to attend any member church's general synod that meets to address the issue and has stated that he is hopeful that all will have called special synods within the next three months. Not sure if it can happen that quickly, but TAC has waited a long time for this and they will waste no time acting on it.
They'll almost certainly lose some parishes over the issue, but every TAC bishop solemnly signed the catechism in 2007 and the letter of petition. I'd be quite surprised if they leave a single diocese behind.
A couple of denominations practicing the devils methods do not speak for protestants. Just look around a little bit.
It's WAY more than "a couple of denominations". There is only ONE church that adheres completely to Christ's admonitions, and that is the Roman Catholic. ALL Protestant denominations allow contraception, which is just as much of a "devil's method" as priestesses, queer bishops, and queer marriage. At one time ALL Protestants were just as much against contraception as the RC is today, but they all weaseled.
This is so exciting.I missed the part that they signed the catechism.
Sorry. OFFICIAL Vatican policy is most definitely NOT "thumbs up" for Marxism. That some members of the Church fail to follow Her doctrines is to their detriment, not Hers. Also recall that Pelosi and the now-deceased "lion" are also pro-abortion, which is also completely against Church doctrine.
Pretty wide brush you paint with. I could go on and on and debate you till the bitter end. And it would get bitter, trust me. I’m not going to do it because it wouldn’t serve any purpose other than getting angry. FReep on, and God Bless!
When said member gets themselves elected as 'legislator' in government it is NOT just to their detriment, when said member legislates as a socialist/marxist. Christ has a few things to say about those that sit in Moses seat.
Whatever the so called OFFICIAL Vatican policy is it sure does not prevent said marxistsocialist from membership.
More likely it will be similar to The Book of Divine Worship authorized for an Anglican Use parish, which is based in large part on an older version of The Book of Common Prayer.
So, point out to me a single Protestant denomination that opposes contraception??? Admittedly, given gigantic number of splinter sects out there (which in and of itself disproves the "fundamental" point of protestantism), there might actually be one somewhere. But I'm certainly not aware of one.
I have yet to see any candidate for any office here in the US running on a "Roman Catholic" ticket. Let me know when you find one.
"Whatever the so called OFFICIAL Vatican policy is it sure does not prevent said marxistsocialist from membership."
And precisely how do you expect that to happen?? Even the RC church believes in separation of church and state nowadays. In particular, church policy today FORBIDS priests and bishops from holding public office. I'm not sure about deacons.
1,000 clergymen means 1,000 parishes which also means maybe 2,000 parishioners per parish.
Are you joking? maybe 200 and as little as 50 for most of them
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