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N. Korea: Hell on Earth
Economist ^ | 10/22/09

Posted on 10/24/2009 9:44:54 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Hell on Earth

Oct 22nd 2009

The West still turns a blind eye to the world's most brutal and systematic abuse of human rights

A SPRAWLING encampment of think-tankers, academics, hacks and policymakers earns a living outside North Korea’s walls. They pick over its nuclear intentions and the prospects for the diplomatic dance known as the six-party process, which is meant to persuade North Korea to give up its nukes for cash and security guarantees. The encampment needs something to live on. Since North Korea declared the six-party talks dead in the spring, scraps have been meagre. So the North’s recent signals of a readiness to return to the forum, after talking to America first, come as a relief. This week a senior North Korean nuclear negotiator was on his way to America. The dance is starting up again, and the encampment is not short of views about what’s in store.

Yet the focus on nukes comes at the cost of other things worth noting about North Korea. Human rights, for instance. In recent years the outlines of daily life, and the state’s miserable part in it, have become plain. First came the horror stories told by refugees in China escaping the famine from 1995-98 that killed 600,000-1m people. A more detailed picture has since emerged from refugees now settled in South Korea, from aid-workers, diplomats and from satellite pictures which, among other things, map another form of encampment—the North’s gulag.

(Excerpt) Read more at economist.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: brutality; famine; gulag; gulags; humanright; nkorea; northkorea; wwp
There is a big long-term problem which is being created. Ordinary N. Koreans started to hate outsiders, willingly turn blind eye to their plight. They see outsiders turning them away even when they have chances to help ordinary N. Koreans.

If outsiders are consistently firm against N. Korean regime, they would understand it. They don't ask for outsiders to invade N. Korea to rescue them. Just don't prolong or abet the regime.

Still many Western countries are busy doing deals with Kim Jong-il and proclaiming progress for their own selfish political or career gains. China cynically use N. Korea as a leverage against the West. They are active willing accomplices to N. Korea brutality, picking up N. Korean escapees and send them to N. Korea, which could easily endanger their lives. They regularly block any international attempts to stand firm against Kim Jong-il. S. Korea has its generation 386 block which still controls the political discourse on N. Korea. They cannot reconcile themselves with N. Korean brutality. They were convinced during their youth that the portrayal of brutal N. Korea is the outrageous lie perpetrated by the propaganda of previous regime. They were enthusiastically attended pro-N. Korea rally. To this day, talking about N. Korean situation is beneath them. It is something only fit for older generation made up of 'incorrigible right-wing crazies.' People as 'open-minded' and 'rational' as themsleves should not fall to such low level, they believe.

On top of it, there is an economic concern. These self-styled 'progressives' still care about their property value. They know any tension with N. Korea would hurt the price of their housing. They are also having a reasonably decent life so far. They cannot endanger it.

These two wishes meet and create your typical well-to-do Seoul folks who exhibit pro-North sympathies and vitrolic hatred against conservatives. A limousine liberal who still stick to remaining as the diehard apologists for the North but have a good life and luxury.

In S. Korea, they are called 'Kangnam Left.' Kangnam is the southern part of Seoul which is new and affluent. They also influence many apolitical folks, telling them to ignore about N. Korea if they want to live well.

They have cynical and hostile attitude to N. Korean refugees settled in S. Korea.

To them, the cardinal sin of N. Korean refugees are that they tell what the N. Korea is really are and it gives credibility to incorrigible rightwing crazies, while making them accomplice to N. Korean brutality. They cannot stand it. So they call them names. Some accuse them of mere common criminals escaping punishment of N. Korea for their wrong doings. Or see them as just losers who are good for nothing. Or heartless inhuman creatures who bailed out of N. Korea, knowing full well what will befall to their families and relative if NK regime find out that they escaped. These three attitudes also comprise the left's campaign against N. Korean refugees just because they spoke the truth.

Outside the immediate neighbors of N. Korea, many folks in the Western world also see N. Korea as their liberal rose-tinted glass. People they can do business with only if they can find a right way to reach into them. It furthers their career and political agenda. It could even secure Nobel Peace Prize to them, I suppose. It is a kind of silverling of sorts that despicable Selig Harrison, the leftwing political hack who has been a tireless apologist for N. Korea, is no longer solicited for his opinion in MSM. However, dances are still going on for headling grabbing warm and fuzzy event. It is just that they can no longer push it brazenly.

Ordinary N. Koreans are beginning to be aware of this, and some are now showing deep anger. It will come to a full boil after N. Korean regime is gone. Especially, with respect to S. Korea and China, this will be always in their mind. Many of them lost their family members while outsiders needlessly propping up Kim Jong-il regime. To them, it is personal.

1 posted on 10/24/2009 9:44:54 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/24/2009 9:45:29 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I recently read “The Aquariums of Pyongyang.” It was an informative read, written by a former NK prisoner.


3 posted on 10/24/2009 9:47:42 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: KJC1

Adding that to my reading list right now.


4 posted on 10/24/2009 9:52:43 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

North Korea: the not-quite-perfect end-goal (but perhaps the closest we’ve seen yet) of liberal idealism. No wonder the press averts its eyes; they think that in the North American totalitarianism they dream of, they will escape the noose.


5 posted on 10/24/2009 10:00:14 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This can’t be true.

Collectivism is flawless and works perfectly every time it is tried.

It is the most effective population-reduction model in history.


6 posted on 10/24/2009 10:00:15 PM PDT by lurk
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Tiger, thanks

It’s kind of amazing how Kim - Dear Leader - is able to have his subjects be happy whilst they eat dirt!

Soon, our US Dear Leader will invoke the same magic upon us!

Chairman Mao will be really proud of how rapidly the US has been transformed - under our Dear Leader - to destroy capitalisism!


7 posted on 10/24/2009 10:01:48 PM PDT by aShepard
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Why does everyone ignore china? Because China controls nk and uses them to export missile and nuclear technology. NK does nothing without china’s say so. They are china’s pit bull on a leash.


8 posted on 10/24/2009 10:02:14 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: Eagles6
China is the provider of cheap labor for big corporations and the buy of U.S. T-bills.

China successfully co-opted political and business establishment outside its border.

9 posted on 10/24/2009 10:07:26 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Correction:

dances are still going on for headlingheadline grabbing warm and fuzzy event.

It is a kind of silverlingsliver-lining of sorts that despicable Selig Harrison,

10 posted on 10/24/2009 10:11:35 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The South Korean students are quite Naive about their northern neighbor. I told a professor at Korea University that, Park Chung Hui was a benevolent dictator and the south would never had achieved a democratic government with out him. Korean history is full of examples of able leaders during times of crisis being cut of by political opponents with slander. Left there has no shame as here.


11 posted on 10/24/2009 10:38:00 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: the_daug
Left there has no shame as here.

Indeed.

12 posted on 10/24/2009 11:08:43 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

BTTT


13 posted on 10/25/2009 2:16:10 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If this world were run right, as it’s going to be when The Owner returns, the world’s armies would crash the NK gate and distribute food to the people being starved TO DEATH by their own “leaders”.


14 posted on 10/25/2009 5:05:36 AM PDT by RoadTest ( But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Thanks for the ping.


15 posted on 10/25/2009 5:05:53 AM PDT by GOPJ (Election2010:Difference between"Yeah!We Won!"and"Oh well. See you in the camps" AmericanInTokyo)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Welcome to North Korea
16 posted on 10/25/2009 5:09:35 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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17 posted on 10/25/2009 6:19:40 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Oh well. They have a low carbon footprint. Al Gore would love it there. Maybe he ought to go there with Laura and Euna.


18 posted on 10/25/2009 6:39:24 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Best way to shake up the (D)'s and (R)'s in DC? Elect a (C), and send him right into their midst!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I agree.


19 posted on 10/25/2009 6:49:28 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Invade and “give” them their freedom? Like in Iraq? Ain’t working out so well there, is it? Only people who can make North Koreans free are North Koreans.


20 posted on 10/25/2009 7:08:11 AM PDT by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Why are tens of thousands of US soldiers risking their lives for South Korea? Why are US Taxpayers on the hjook for South Korea’s defense?

South Korea has double the population and 100 times the economy of the North, yet they can’t seem to be able to defend themselves.

I wouldn’t trade a little finger of a single US Soldier for a million Koreans. I would not expect them to defend us, either.


21 posted on 10/25/2009 7:13:55 AM PDT by Boiling Pots (Barack Obama: The Final Turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Not to mention that China has a vast untapped resource in the continent of Africa, which they have now all but colonized. The US and Western powers dropped the ball on Africa and China will pick it up and run.


22 posted on 10/25/2009 8:37:22 AM PDT by Clock King (There's no way to fix D.C.)
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To: Boiling Pots

It’s all about the US holding on to its empire, just like the UK tried. Korea gives up a point for force projection in the Pacific (along with Japan and Australia).


23 posted on 10/25/2009 8:39:47 AM PDT by Clock King (There's no way to fix D.C.)
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To: the_daug

Its worse than that. I work with older South Koreans here and they at least understand and appreciate that they aren’t living with their ‘’cousins’’ in one big, happy workers paradise but the youth of S.Korea and some of the older S. Koreans think we did nothing for them sixty years ago , don’t doing anything for them presently and would be happy to see us out their country. I remember thumbing through an issue of The National Geographic magazine and seeing an article titled’’The Two Koreas’’ I came across a picture of a resteruant in Seoul with a sign in the window, in English, “Americans not welcome’’. Nice people.


24 posted on 10/25/2009 9:58:20 AM PDT by JoeMac ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!'' Popeye The SailorMan)
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To: KJC1

If you see the movie, “Crossing”, or read the book, “The Acquariums of Pyomyang”, then in my opinion you have absolutely NO reason to listen to any US adminstration offical ever again regarding the topic of the DPRK —they could teach you absolutely nothing. They would give you long, academic answers to any question you had, and nothing they said would be clear.

In fact, many of them have a very strong interest in the perpetuation of the Nork nightmare.

The most annoying aspect of the problem is the thinking of liberal and middle-of the road SK’ers. Below I summarize the key schizophrenic tenants:

1. Protect us, Uncle Sam.
2. Uncle Sam, you’re protecting us in an excessively noisy/expensive maner.
3. The Norks are our blood brothers —our family. We love them.
4. We hate Norks who escape to South Korea to start new lives.
5. There are not 2 Korean —only one.
6. Re-unification sounds really expensive; we saw that from the German example.

HOW DOES ONE RECONCILE THOSE SIX THINGS....?


25 posted on 10/25/2009 10:44:25 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

They don’t, which leads to hatred of anything that points out their mental psychosis.

IE: why they hate NK defectors and the USFK.


26 posted on 10/25/2009 3:12:39 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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