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Beware of liberals supporting Republicans
The American Thinker ^ | October 25, 2009 | Bob Weir

Posted on 10/25/2009 4:16:09 AM PDT by Scanian

One of the best ways to determine someone's true political philosophy is to observe the people who support him/her. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison is planning to run against Governor Rick Perry in the Texas Republican Primary next March, putting the state GOP in a tough spot. They are being forced to take sides against two leaders of the party, each of whom claims to be the more conservative.

As I outlined in a previous column, Hutchison is pro-choice (not a conservative position), while Perry is pro-life (a strong conservative position). Hence, although the Senator claims to be a staunch Republican, on this issue she is more aligned with the Democratic Party.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hutchinson; perry; texas; tx2010; willinghamcase

1 posted on 10/25/2009 4:16:09 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

Kay fits the MAC profile of rino.


2 posted on 10/25/2009 4:22:54 AM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: Scanian

KBH has always claimed to be a staunch GOP party member. Her voting record in the Senate shows clearly that she is not a Conservative. ....She has done nothing to support border control or the apprehension of illegal aliens. She supports abortion. Etc., etc., etc. She’s a lying RINO that has been in D.C. for too long and we certainly don’t need her to replace Perry as Gov. of Texas! She would essentially be another Ann Richardson, who licked LBJ’s boots.


3 posted on 10/25/2009 4:27:40 AM PDT by octex
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To: Scanian

We had better get off this “pro-choice” vs “non pro-choice” criteria in determining who is really a conservative and who is not. Our most important factor in choosing a conservative is their philosophy and “track record” in protecting our freedoms and support of the Constitution as originally written.

Time and time again, I watch the “choice” issue flaunted against true conservatives and patriots who don’t actively espouse the choice issue and are eventually “thrown out with the bath water.”

Freedom has to (and should be) our first priority. Once we regain our freedoms (if that’s possible) we can address the choice issue. Unless we get off this requirement to quell free choice we will never get the freedom to later address it and make the changes desired.

Now, in the case of KBH, she is part of the old “go along to get along” crowd in Washington. She has been tainted by the opulence of big government and is simply taking an ego trip to enhance her narcissistic view of herself. Once they go to Washington, they are bad seed.


4 posted on 10/25/2009 4:40:19 AM PDT by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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To: Scanian

Support conservatives. Not Republicans.


5 posted on 10/25/2009 4:46:48 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: DH

Excellent post, DH.


6 posted on 10/25/2009 4:56:13 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Scanian

KBH might be a loser, but that doesn’t mean Perry isn’t a tard.

How stupid can you be to upended the investigation looking back at the forensics of the Willingham case by replacing four members on the Texas Forensic Science Commission in the middle of the investigation.

Then cry “waaaa, this is all political, waaaa”.

I wish we had a third choice.


7 posted on 10/25/2009 5:11:09 AM PDT by crescen7 (game on)
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To: DH; elli1
We had better get off this “pro-choice” vs “non pro-choice”

It is NOT “pro-choice” vs “non pro-choice”, but rather, pro-murder vs non pro-murder.

On November 12 the reconstituted jury convicted Scott Peterson of first-degree murder with special circumstances for killing Laci and second-degree murder for killing the unborn baby she carried.

What part of this living, breathing human being do you not understand?

8 wk unborn baby

Also, for someone with a sign up date of 1997, you should know:
As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc.

8 posted on 10/25/2009 5:23:58 AM PDT by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: JaneNC

She’s pro-choice and that makes her a Dim?

Just for that one position? I thought conservatism encompassed more than that.


9 posted on 10/25/2009 5:24:46 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Markets and Marxists Don't Mix! Audit the FED NOW!)
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To: Scanian

And beware of Pubbies supporting libs....


10 posted on 10/25/2009 5:25:09 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
Forget a third party.

We need a second one...

11 posted on 10/25/2009 5:25:46 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Scanian

KBH is a RINOCRAT! She needs to be sent home and shouldn’t even have been sent to DC as a conservative.

I suspect she’s being backed by some liberal money to weaken the conservative base in Texas. This is not the time for a rhinocrat to be sitting in our Governor’s seat. We need somebody strong in the event that we have to lead a 10th Amendment or Secessionist movement to push the Feds back to DC. KBH just isn’t the one to do that.

Besides that, she should’ve been stripped of elected office years ago when she used her public office to run her campaign and broke the law! Maybe we need to get Ronnie Earle out and dust him off to talk about the evidence he found against her. She can’t even make up her mind about running for the office. We don’t need a waffler in the Texas Mansion.


12 posted on 10/25/2009 5:30:48 AM PDT by RowdyFFC (Nancy Pelosi...please deny her any health care....)
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To: DH
We had better get off this “pro-choice” vs “non pro-choice” criteria in determining who is really a conservative and who is not.

Any politician or individual who will compromise on the protection of the unalienable right to life will compromise on anything at all. Constantly.

Hence my tagline.

If you're pro-baby-killing you're no conservative.

13 posted on 10/25/2009 5:31:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If they won't "secure the Blessings of Liberty to Posterity," they won't secure yours either.)
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To: mewzilla
And beware of Pubbies supporting libs....

Like Newt on Fox and Friends just now.

Boy, he sure is ticked off that his butt is getting kicked. He made it quite clear (not by name) that Conservatives are stupid.

Stupid is as RINOs do, Newt....

(Heee hee heeee!)

14 posted on 10/25/2009 5:32:20 AM PDT by paulycy (Predatory Pricing = Public Option = Unethical Competition.)
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To: mewzilla
It's being built.

America's Independent Party

15 posted on 10/25/2009 5:33:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If they won't "secure the Blessings of Liberty to Posterity," they won't secure yours either.)
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To: Just A Nobody

I am for pro-life. However, sometimes you have to go through the back door to get in the house.

Making the choice issue the single and most important criteria in selecting your candidate will blind you since you can’t see the forest because trees are in the way.

The last two generations have an entirely different look at life and they certainly are not the ones we older people see. They are the “if it feels good...do it” crowd and with age and the experiences gained therein, will eventually come around to the same philosophy we have.

But...if we can’t overthrow the Marxists in power, we (and they) will never have that chance.

What I am saying is get in the door first and then do something about the right to life. It’s kind of like trying to fight a battle in Asia when you have no ships or planes. You simply have no way to get there.


16 posted on 10/25/2009 5:43:01 AM PDT by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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To: EternalVigilance

See post #16


17 posted on 10/25/2009 5:46:40 AM PDT by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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To: Scanian

Liberals are all about compromise.
Compromise is an incremental win.
The will accept a compromise now, knowing that they will just keep after the real goal until they get it.

In the mean time, Conservatives Republicans are all morphing into RINOs.
What we really want is Libertarian Republicans who are focused on small government, smaller taxes, adherence to the principles of our Constitution and the elimination or revoking of the countless petty laws, taxes and bureaucratic institutions that Liberals have encumbered us with over the years.


18 posted on 10/25/2009 5:50:41 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Ali Obama and the 40 Czars must FAIL.)
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To: DH
Unitl you return to the principles our nation, our form of government, and our liberty are premised upon, you're part of the problem. Quit lying to yourself, and quit helping the Left undermine those indispensable foundations.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."

19 posted on 10/25/2009 5:58:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If they won't "secure the Blessings of Liberty to Posterity," they won't secure yours either.)
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To: EternalVigilance

People who think like you will absolutely guarantee the collapse of our free society.

Blindly believing that sometimes retreat is NOT necessary to win the war is a bad thing and cannot even be contemplated will insure total defeat.

Over the past 40 years things have certainly changed for the worst. Religion is one of them.

We now have religions embracing gay rights, the dark arts, Islam, and a whole host of other beliefs to numerous to delineate. Each religion believing that their way is the only way.

With each day that passes, the old time religions that America was founded upon sinks in the mire of the multitude of these other religions...and along with that, the voting power and numbers of those who remain.

Whether we like it or not, free choice will prevail simply due to the fact that life is not deemed sacred any longer and the responsibility of having and raising children is looked upon as old fashioned. Let the state (day care) raise them with government money or simply get rid of the little problem. That’s society today and it will not change. Face it...we have lost that battle.

Religious conservatism has been decimated by our public indoctrination centers (schools), colleges, MSM, the current government and the absolute lack of responsibility instilled in today’s society by the system(the blameless society).

We are in a growing minority and as I said before, as our numbers dwindle, our voting power vaporizes. Continuing to use the precursor of “right to life” as the ONLY criterion that a conservative candidate is qualified for office is foolish and accomplishes nothing.


20 posted on 10/25/2009 6:58:03 AM PDT by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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To: DH
People who think like you will absolutely guarantee the collapse of our free society.

No. It is those like you who undermine the foundations who "guarantee collapse," not those like me who work every day to shore up those foundations.

You're massively deceiving yourself.

If you will not defend the unalienable God-given rights to life and liberty, you are part of the problem. You're helping to destroy America.

21 posted on 10/25/2009 7:01:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If they won't "secure the Blessings of Liberty to Posterity," they won't secure yours either.)
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To: DH
Continuing to use the precursor of “right to life” as the ONLY criterion that a conservative candidate is qualified for office is foolish and accomplishes nothing.

Strawman.

22 posted on 10/25/2009 7:02:35 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If they won't "secure the Blessings of Liberty to Posterity," they won't secure yours either.)
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To: DH

What is non-negotiable for you politically?


23 posted on 10/25/2009 7:03:49 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If they won't "secure the Blessings of Liberty to Posterity," they won't secure yours either.)
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To: DH
Freedom has to (and should be) our first priority. Once we regain our freedoms (if that’s possible) we can address the choice issue. Unless we get off this requirement to quell free choice we will never get the freedom to later address it and make the changes desired.

This argument has been used for the last 40 years (the lesser of two evils argument) and where has it gotten us?

To me, if a person does not respect the most basic right - the right to life - and MOST ESPECIALLY - does not believe it is imperative to protect an innocent baby's right to life - well then, THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN BE A CONSERVATIVE. And I'm not talking in a social conservative kind of way - I'm talking about our God-given Constitutional rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

This stuff about just getting an (R) in office, and then we'll worry about the other stuff is not working.

24 posted on 10/25/2009 7:30:59 AM PDT by alicewonders (Sarah Palin is the face of America's future.)
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To: DH
Face it...we have lost that battle.

Wow. I sure wouldn't want to be in a fox-hole with you.

Trying to get in through the back door is what gave us John McCain. Voting for RINOs hasn't helped the pro-life issue one little bit. I, and millions of people like myself, have not conceded that fight - we are not giving up. If we do - ALL of our other freedoms will disappear as well.

It's principles over party - that's the ONLY way to victory.

25 posted on 10/25/2009 7:38:19 AM PDT by alicewonders (Sarah Palin is the face of America's future.)
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To: DH
Now, in the case of KBH, she is part of the old “go along to get along” crowd in Washington

yes, she is. Now she is using libturd tactics in a teaser commercial.

OMG, what is he not telling us? We'll tell you in a few weeks.

26 posted on 10/25/2009 7:39:10 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS, the party of taxes and death. Is this what you want?)
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To: DH
sometimes you have to go through the back door to get in the house.

We have been hearing this nonsense for nearly 37 years now.
We have been "in the house" and have had "that chance" and failed to complete the mission.

Congressman Duncan L. Hunter introduced the Right to Life every year for over 10 years, after Dornan passed the torch to him. During the 109th session, when the so-called republicans held both houses of CONgress and the White House, the bill had over 100 cosponsors, but NOTHING came of it. Why? The RINOS and those that keep mouthing the words, "you have to go through the back door to get in the house" nonsense.

I don't see the demonRATS using that faux excuse to get what they want. They damn the torpedoes and charge full speed ahead giving no quarter.

Making the choice issue the single and most important criteria...

No one is making it the single or even the most important criteria, but it most definitely needs to be discussed.

What I am saying is get in the door first and then do something about the right to life.

Again, what I am saying is -- BEEN THERE, DONE THAT!
Results = ZERO!

27 posted on 10/25/2009 7:42:55 AM PDT by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: crescen7

This is an e-mail from my local party chairman:

Fellow 912ers and Patriots
On Tuesday night the 20th we had the pleasure to hear Debra Medina speak at the Republican Hdqtrs and also at the MCM Elegante. For those of you that attended thank you and for those of you that did not you missed a great opportunity to hear a true conservative. I had checked her out via the internet however I must say it did not do her justice as she was much more impressive in person than the net portrayed her to be. She addressed all questions either in the group forum or personally after the main event and did it with an expertise that I was more than amazed with. If in the future you have the chance to go and see her speak in person I encourage you to do so I assure you that you will not be disappointed. Her campaign is a true grassroots movement just as we are and it is on the move just as I think her political future is. For those in the 912 group that are familiar with the contract we drew up she signed on to those priciples. It was said to me that she is the Texas version of Sarah Palin and I can see that after hearing her and getting to visit with her on a personal level. We as a group do not endorse candidates but speaking on a very personal level I think I have found someone that I can put my support behind and I feel very encouraged by that. Do go and ck her out.....

Patriot and American standing up for the Constitution and Freedom!

Will you?


28 posted on 10/25/2009 7:51:27 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: EternalVigilance

“What is non-negotiable for you politically?”

FREEDOM! Just like our founding fathers sought when they founded this country.

Come back to this thread in 10 years to see if Free Republic is still here (if not shut down by the Ministry of Truth and by then, Jim Robinson thrown into jail for hate crimes against the state).

Simply base your entire support on only one criteria to support a conservative candidate (right to life) and I’m sure this website won’t be here then after the Marxists, Communists and Liberals are through with us during the Obama dictatorship.


29 posted on 10/25/2009 8:16:51 AM PDT by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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To: alicewonders

I see both arguments on this issue. In our Freerepublic group, pro-life is probably a consistent #1 issue among members, and your thought that if one does not respect life, which is one that has been deemed inalienable by our Founders, the rest doesn’t matter. I agree with some caveats. First, one can be a solid conservative without being 100% of pro-life issues. Some of the pro life issues are political in terms of what is the role of government in deciding the legality or illegality of abortion, and secondly is it a Federal or state issue. Regardless of one’s belief, it became a Federal issue in the early 70s with Roe v. Wade. With that, it became a federal right to get abortion, which is one of the worst decisions ever made by the Supreme Court. I am not entirely familiar with KBH’s full views on abortion, but it certainly is to the left of the Republican Party and most GOP voters. I am not sure how far left she is on the issue.

The second factor here, is the author’s discussion of pro-life being a single issue whereas some voters will either support or oppose a particular candidate, and here is where I fully agree. The conservative movement is one focused on the proper constitutional role of government and looking for candidates with the overall overriding philosophy of limiting the power of the Federal government and against central planning. IMO, at this juncture we are wise to refocus on supporting candidates which bring this particular core principle with them to office. In many cases, we have ended up with candidates or elected officials who are 100% on the life issues, but who fall far short on a lot of other core principles. This is one of the problems we have with the party drifting closer to big government lite. The first and foremost focus needs to be on electing people that are going to stop this radical growth of government we have seen for some time now.


30 posted on 10/25/2009 8:25:09 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: DH

You don’t even understand freedom’s premises.

What the founders of this great republic called “self-evident,” ie “as plain as the nose on your face,” you can’t even see. You’ve gone blind.


31 posted on 10/25/2009 8:31:18 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If they won't "secure the Blessings of Liberty to Posterity," they won't secure yours either.)
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To: Scanian

Wasn’t it Governor Rick Perry that flew in on the tax payers money to lay the first brick at a new Muslim Center in Plano Texas?

Plano, TX: “Officials lay bricks in symbolic start for Muslim center”
Dallas Morning News June 14, 2005

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1427422/posts


32 posted on 10/25/2009 8:35:20 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: ilgipper

I do agree that abortion should be a state’s issue, not a federal one. In fact, I think most things should be, so in that way - we agree.


33 posted on 10/25/2009 8:35:46 AM PDT by alicewonders (Sarah Palin is the face of America's future.)
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To: ilgipper

Thanks.


34 posted on 10/25/2009 1:16:03 PM PDT by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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To: Pantera; TWfromTEXAS; BoringGuy; Richard Kimball; girlscout; omegabea; Warrior_Queen; erkyl; ...
Ping.

Freepmail me or ping me from the original thread to get on/off the 2010 Texas Governor's Race ping list.

35 posted on 10/28/2009 3:04:04 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: Scanian

VP Cheney is apparently supporting KBH:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373006/posts


36 posted on 10/28/2009 3:12:42 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: crescen7

“I wish we had a third choice.”

We do have a third choice in the form of Debra Medina... someone who is considerably more interested in defending Texas sovereignty from the unconstitutional actions of the federal government and someone whose views are clearly more conservative and based upon the principles of limited government and freedom than either Rick or Kay.

As her campaign has really got going here over the last few weeks (I expect in the next couple of polls that she will get into the teens) if enough of us get behind her it won’t be long before she’s being mentioned alongside the two establishment candidates as a legitimate contender for the likely runoff in the Republican primary.

I would encourage everyone to check out her website, go see where she stands on the issues, and if you are open-mined about her candidacy I promise you will like what you read.

www.medinafortexas.com


37 posted on 11/10/2009 10:50:07 PM PST by beanshirts (Vote Medina for Life, Liberty, and Property in Texas: http://www.medinafortexas.com/)
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