Islamocracy:The Left supports theocracy, as long as it is Islamic

American Thinker ^ | 10-25-09 | John Griffing

[thouworm]

The Left is not the decrier of theocracy and the champion of strict separation of church and state that it claims to be. Democrats seem perfectly willing to accede to an Islamic brand of theocracy if it strengthens the Left's hold on America. Alarmingly, the Democrats also seem to think they can keep Islamic extremism under their control, using only so much of it as is necessary to further their own agenda. This naiveté portends disastrous consequences for freedom in America. We must act now before the religion that gave us the 9/11 hijackers makes the Whitehouse Muslim. Or has it already?

[thouworm]

More from Griffing’s article (see article for links):

But there is no mistake. The Left supports theocracy, as long as it is Islamic. The evidence sits all around us: Public school officials train students to ward off fanciful Christian (never Islamic) hostage-takers, but rush to allow Muslim students 15 minutes of class time to pray to Allah.

President Obama publicly advocates the Islamic practice of covering women to alleviate lust, without so much as a whimper from those staunch defenders of women’s rights in the Democratically-controlled Congress.

Mosques are an increasingly common feature of the American landscape. These havens of peace, or should I say recruitment centers, have contributed to some pretty striking changes in American cities. Somehow, wherever large Muslim minorities reside, mosques obtain the right to play the extremely militant Call to Prayer over loudspeakers for all the non-Muslims to hear, usually five times a day. President Obama remembers the call to prayer fondly.

[cripplecreek]

The funny thing is that Christians would likely fare somewhat better than the far left liberals under islam.

Islam is willing to tolerate small numbers of Christans who remain isolated and more or less out of sight. I doubt islam would be quite so tolerant of a flamboyant gay pride parade.

Think I prefer our so called Chistan control of America and I suspect liberals would beg for it after a taste of islam.

[rbg81]

The below is a variation on a post I’ve made several times before. I always reuse it when this topic comes up:

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When you peel back the onion, the Left has always been after one thing: absolute power. It was true (and obvious) in Stalin’s time and it is true now. The best way to successfully wield absolute power is to totally subvert the individual to the State. To do that, one must tear down the attitudes, values, and traditions that the majority holds dear and replace them with a new, different set. This is a variant on the technique used in military basic training. That is part of the reason why the Left supports things like rampant immigration, Gay marriage, and radical feminism while eschewing traditional Western religions. Radical Islam fits the bill in two respects. First, like the Left, it seeks the overthrow of Judeo/Christian culture. Second, and more importantly, Islamic clerics have close to absolute power over their adherents. If the Mullahs can motivate someone to be a suicide bomber, convincing them to pay higher taxes should be a piece of cake. Many in the Left must salivate at the thought of having that much control over the individual. At some point, the Left will have to choose between radical Islam and the continued embrace of its traditional interest groups (gays, feminists, etc). I predict they will chose the former, because ultimately the Islamists will be more numerous (in 30-50 years or so).

[thouworm]

“Islam is willing to tolerate small numbers of Christans who remain isolated and more or less out of sight.”

until they decide they won’t — look at Muslim-controlled countries (Christians are tolerated until they’re not)

until they gained a majority -— quickly gaining power in Europe

OR

until they were subsumed by the new Global Religion of Universal Tolerance (tolerant, that is, to all religions except Christianity or Islam (if it gets out of their control)

[cripplecreek]

Never mind the fact that there are Christan and even Jewish communities in virtually every muslim country in the world. That doesn’t mean its a happy or free existence but they are there. Western liberalism isn’t.

[rbg81]

....I suspect liberals would beg for it after a taste of islam.

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Somewhere, deep down, I think a lot of liberals never really grew up. So they want someone to come in an impose order on their lives. If its some third world type, all the better. They spit in the face of the man who would defend them. Yet they will lick the boots of the man who kicks them in the teeth.

[thouworm]

Rbg81 -— mind if I repeat (in parags):

When you peel back the onion, the Left has always been after one thing: absolute power. It was true (and obvious) in Stalin’s time and it is true now. The best way to successfully wield absolute power is to totally subvert the individual to the State.

To do that, one must tear down the attitudes, values, and traditions that the majority holds dear and replace them with a new, different set. This is a variant on the technique used in military basic training. That is part of the reason why the Left supports things like rampant immigration, Gay marriage, and radical feminism while eschewing traditional Western religions.

Radical Islam fits the bill in two respects. First, like the Left, it seeks the overthrow of Judeo/Christian culture. Second, and more importantly, Islamic clerics have close to absolute power over their adherents.

If the Mullahs can motivate someone to be a suicide bomber, convincing them to pay higher taxes should be a piece of cake. Many in the Left must salivate at the thought of having that much control over the individual. At some point, the Left will have to choose between radical Islam and the continued embrace of its traditional interest groups (gays, feminists, etc).

I predict they will chose the former, because ultimately the Islamists will be more numerous (in 30-50 years or so).

[cripplecreek]

I say let liberals hold a gay pride parade in Mecca while atheists smear feces on the kabba. Then we can talk about religious freedom in America.

[reg45]

The left supports theocracy as long as it is not Christian.

[VR-21]

For decades I’ve watched the American left collaborate with every mortal enemy this country has.

[thouworm]

President Barack Obama’s adviser on Muslim affairs, Dalia Mogahed, has provoked controversy by appearing on a British television show hosted by a member of an extremist group to talk about Sharia Law.

By Andrew Gilligan and Alex Spillius in Washington
Published: 8:00PM BST 08 Oct 2009

Barack Obama adviser says Sharia Law is misunderstood

Miss Mogahed, appointed to the President’s Council on Faith-Based and Neighbourhood Partnerships, said the Western view of Sharia was “oversimplified” and the majority of women around the world associate it with “gender justice”.

The White House adviser made the remarks on a London-based TV discussion programme hosted by Ibtihal Bsis, a member of the extremist Hizb ut Tahrir party.

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And I certainly don’t get someone from the Administration showing up…oh, but, for this Administration it shouldn’t be a shock at all. By the way, Hizb ut Tahrir had a meeting in suburban Chicago this past July (See: Chicago Suburb Hosts Hizb ut-Tahrir Conference; Organization Aims to Re-Establish an International Islamic State (Caliphate), Supports Jihad).

http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/chicago-suburb-hosts-hizb-ut-tahrir-conference-organization-aims-to-re-establish-an-international-islamic-state-caliphate-supports-jihad/

http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/surprise-surprise-obama-advisor-female-thinks-sharia-law-is-misunderstood/

[thouworm]

Right before our eyes, Sharia Finance has fully infiltrated our western banking and financial system. For example, did you know about the Dow Jones Islamic Market Index? Today, most major western financial institutions from Wall Street to Downing Street have rapidly growing divisions dedicated to Sharia Finance including AIG, Citigroup, HSBC, TD Ameritrade, Charles Schwab, and others.

Why? Because financial institutions need capital to bolster a weakening economy, and Sharia Finance represents one of the fastest growing economic sectors worldwide. Sharia Finance has already taken a dangerous hold on our financial system.

According to the codes of Sharia Finance, a portion of all funds invested must go to Islamic charities. This provision sounds nice, but the problem is knowing what activities these charities support. Over two dozen Islamic charities in the U.S. for example, have already been classified as terror sponsoring organizations.

But of course in Sharia Finance, it’s up to the Sheikhs to decide which charities are selected.

http://www.radicalislam.org/threat/stealth-threat/sharia-finance

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I recently heard that sharia law also dictates that 1/8 of that charity money must be dedicated to jihad (but I have not confirmed this yet).

[rbg81]

There is definitely a certain strain in Western society that thinks it can ride the tiger. The possibility that the tiger can turn on them and eat them is dismissed with a wink and chuckle.

[thouworm]

Other remarks about the interview of Dalia Mogahed, Obama’s Muslim faith-based advisor,

A few key points from the interview.

Mogahed deflects all responsibility by suggesting that someone else booked her on the program, apparently without her knowledge. Then claims she “had no idea” prior to participating in the television program Muslimah Dilemma, that it would feature a member of Hizb ut Tahrir – a group thas has written about jihad as physical, offensive fighting.

We also presume this White House-advising team did not know the television station’s CEO is a convicted terrorist who is wanted by Interpol or if they did, they didn’t care.

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/

[thouworm]

Stealth Jihad: An Interview With Robert Spencer

Is “moderate” Islam even possible?

Anything is possible. But “moderate” Islam as an Islamic theological and legal construct does not now exist, and would need to be invented. Can it be done? The record of history shows that it is never wise to say that something could never happen. But as it would involve the overturning or wholesale reevaluation of the fonts of Islamic authority that have existed since virtually the beginning of Islam, it is extremely unlikely.

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Will American Muslims one day have to choose? Not at all. Those who want Sharia in the United States have no problem professing love for their country. It is their love for America that makes them want to bring what they consider to be the law of God here.

http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/12/stealth_jihad_an_interview_wit.php

[Dumb_Ox]

Actually Leftism itself is a liberal Protestant theocracy. Liberal Episcopalians are into enabling Muslims and even use Muslim prayers. Our liberal Jewish friends also have a role in this, but the WASP establishment never died, it just mutated.

[rbg81]

Honestly, like people in other religions, there are Muslims who are far from fervent. These don’t seem to be infected with the Jihadist fever. I think the professionals that emigrated here in the 50s-80s fell into this category for the most part. The problem is that the Mullahs eventually migrated too and started enforcing their dictates. Otherwise, I think many of the other would have been perfectly happy to kiss Islam goodbye.

[headsonpikes]

That link probably deserves a post of its own, wouldn’t you say?

Or perhaps you have reservations about that. ;^)

[thouworm]

MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD/Front Groups in the United States

CIVILIZATION-JIHAD: THE STRATEGIC GOAL OF THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD

*Having established its leadership, the Memorandum states the role of the Muslim Brotherhood in North America:*

· *The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all the means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.*

*Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet.

It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is not escape from that destiny except for those who chose to slack. But, would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal.*

http://www.douglasfarah.com/article/245/the-muslim-brotherhood-in-america-defined-as-threat-organization-in-dod-memo.com

U.S. MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD FRONT GROUPS:

Muslim Students Association in 1963

North American Islamic Trust in 1971

Islamic Society of North America in 1981

American Muslim Council in 1990

Muslim American Society in 1992

International Institute of Islamic Thought in the 1980s

CSID - Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy - 1998

Founded largely by the efforts of Georgetown University academic Dr. John Esposito
http://barbaralebey.blogspot.com/2009/04/inroads-of-muslim-brotherhood-in-obama.html

CAIR in 1994

CAIR, was created by Hamas supporters in 1994 following a secret meeting in Philadelphia that the FBI wiretapped.

Exhibits in the Hamas fundraising trial of the Holy Land Foundation showed that CAIR’s founders were part of the secret Muslim Brotherhood infrastructure that sought, in the MB’s own words, to carry out a “civilization-jihadist process” and to implement a “grand jihad in eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within …”

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2839/pub_detail.asp

AMT - American Muslim Taskforce on Civil Rights and Elections

The American Muslim Taskforce would be more accurately described as the Muslim Brotherhood since many of the ten 10 signatories — ranging from the parent organization of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) to the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) to the Muslim Students Association to the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) — have been identified in an internal Muslim Brotherhood strategy memo as “our organizations and the organizations of our friends.”

http://www.newsmax.com/frank_gaffney/fbi_muslim_brotherhood/2009/03/26/196495.html