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Ghana’s Cardinal Turkson gets closer to becoming first black pope
Ghana Business News ^ | 10-24-09 | Emmanuel K. Dogbevi

Posted on 10/25/2009 8:23:17 AM PDT by mlizzy

Ghana’s first Catholic Cardinal, Peter Appiah Turkson is closer to becoming the first black pope ever of the Catholic Church.

Saturday October 24, 2009, Pope Benedict appointed Cardinal Turkson to head the Vatican’s justice and peace office. This position is a high-profile one that cements his reputation as a possible future candidate for the papal office, according to the Associated Press.

The justice and peace office is responsible for promoting the church’s social teachings on justice issues, such as war, the death penalty and human rights. Turkson told reporters three weeks ago there was no reason there couldn’t be a black pope, particularly after Barack Obama was elected U.S. president.

Turkson’s appointment to his new post was announced at the end of a three-week Vatican meeting on the role of the Catholic Church in Africa, which Turkson had headed. Born in 1948, Cardinal Peter Appiah Turkson became the first Ghanaian to be appointed to the position on October 21, 2003.

He has been the President of the Catholic Bishops Conference in Ghana since 1992. He is also the Chancellor of the Catholic University College of Ghana and the Archbishop of Cape Coast in Ghana’s Central Region. He was ordained priest on July 20, 1975; appointed Archbishop on November 21, 1992 and consecrated on March 27, 1993.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: africa; africanchristians; blackpope; ghana; turkson; vatican
Turkson told reporters three weeks ago there was no reason there couldn’t be a black pope, particularly after Barack Obama was elected U.S. president.

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1 posted on 10/25/2009 8:23:18 AM PDT by mlizzy
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To: mlizzy

Wait am I in the twilight zone, don’t we have a pope?


2 posted on 10/25/2009 8:30:08 AM PDT by crazydad
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

3 posted on 10/25/2009 8:31:02 AM PDT by narses ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
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To: mlizzy

Is the Pope sick? Being almost Pope is like being almost pregnant.


4 posted on 10/25/2009 8:33:51 AM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: crazydad

Yes, I don’t like the way this article reads. It seems the cardinal shouldn’t have commented in the way the article reveals, because you’re right, we have a pope! And, of course, there has never been any reason why a pope couldn’t be black; it has nothing to do with our anti-life bi-racial president.


5 posted on 10/25/2009 8:38:04 AM PDT by mlizzy ("It is impossible to walk rapidly and be unhappy" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: mlizzy; narses
I don't know where they get the first black pope.

There have been three popes from Africa already:

And I'm sure there would have been many more if not for the Mohammedan conquest of North Africa. Now there is no guarantee of the race of these three, but, I would submit that European Medieval artwork would give no indication of their appearance.

6 posted on 10/25/2009 8:41:00 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: mlizzy

In theory – God controls the cardinals when they choose the pope so that the cardinals choose the pope that is God’s choice. If that is true then:

*Why doesn’t it take only one vote that’s unaminous?

*If some cardinals vote for someone other that the elected pope – does that mean they are defying God’s will?

*If enough cardinals defy God – then could they elect a pope that God hasn’t have chosen?


7 posted on 10/25/2009 8:46:05 AM PDT by T Minus Four (This post is not approved by the White House!)
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To: markomalley
I don't know where they get the first black pope.

There have been three popes from Africa already:

* Pope St. Victor I
* Pope St. Militiades
* Pope St. Gelasius

Being from North Africa is not the same as being black.

8 posted on 10/25/2009 8:46:57 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: mlizzy

...and why would God need the US to pave the way for Him to consider a half-black pope?


9 posted on 10/25/2009 8:47:17 AM PDT by T Minus Four (This post is not approved by the White House!)
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To: mlizzy
Perhaps he is correct in his assumption. Malachy's name for the last pope is "Peter The Roman" I believe.

In 1909, Pius X (1835-1914) fell into a semi-trance with his head sunk on his chest, and after a few minutes he came to and opened his eyes with a look of horror on his face. He reputedly cried out: What I have seen was terrible… Will it be myself? Will it be my successor? What is certain is that the Pope will quit Rome, and in fleeing from the Vatican he will have to walk over the dead bodies of his priests. Do not tell anyone while I am alive (cf. Stephen Skinner, Millennium Prophecies, Carlton, p. 75).

10 posted on 10/25/2009 8:48:45 AM PDT by Errant (`)
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To: Errant
Yipes, that didn't register with me right away ... here's St. Malachy's predictions ... Link.
11 posted on 10/25/2009 8:56:25 AM PDT by mlizzy ("It is impossible to walk rapidly and be unhappy" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: mlizzy

“Pope Benedict appointed Cardinal Turkson to head the Vatican’s justice and peace office.”

“Justice and peace” are too often code words for “disbelief” and “my kingdom is of this world”.

I hope in this instance the cardinal is also a Christian...


12 posted on 10/25/2009 8:57:43 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Errant
Accompanying the Cardinal to the Castle were His Eminence Peter Cardinal Appiah Turkson, ... In a homily at the St. Peter's Minor Basilica in Kumasi, Ghana.

It seems Kumasi is built like Rome on seven hills.

13 posted on 10/25/2009 8:59:16 AM PDT by Errant (`)
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To: mlizzy
From your link:

In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & Judex tremêdus judicabit populum suum. Finis.

Translated:

(In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End.)

14 posted on 10/25/2009 9:04:04 AM PDT by Errant (`)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Gelasius, by tradition, was what we would refer to as “black”.


15 posted on 10/25/2009 9:10:47 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: CondorFlight
I hope in this instance the cardinal is also a Christian...

"In response to a question regarding the position of the synod on AIDS, and particularly the use of condoms, the cardinal first noted that there are two prevailing answers: the use of condoms, and a greater availability of antiretroviral drugs." Link

The cardinal did go on to say condoms are "risky," but didn't condemn their usage altogether. Our own parish priest told me condoms are to never be used no matter what the reason. He didn't go into it regarding AIDS, but I would imagine he would say abstinence is the only answer. I'm going to have to speak with my brother-in-law, an orthodox R.C. priest on this ... now I'm already leery of this cardinal.
16 posted on 10/25/2009 9:23:23 AM PDT by mlizzy ("It is impossible to walk rapidly and be unhappy" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: CondorFlight

He’s replacing Cdl Martino, a real left-wing loon who had never met an NGO or a statist program that he didn’t love. However, I think a lot of Africans are a little shaky on this doctrine stuff, including some who have made it fairly far up in the Church. I think there was a bit too much haste to get Africans into the heirarchy and in some cases they are not very orthodox (their doctrine is all over the place, and they support condoms, polygamy, witch doctors, etc.).


17 posted on 10/25/2009 10:22:39 AM PDT by livius
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To: mlizzy; CondorFlight
Turkson's present claim to fame is in resisting strong international pressure on Africans to accept three great modern evils:

(1) Abortion (being pushed by the UN and by many international development donors). Turkson's position is "No."

(2) Condomization (as a way to combat AIDS: Turkson backs the much more medically and morally sound course of abstinence before marriage, fidelity in marriage, which yields zero AIDS transmission)

(Not ruled upon yet, is the question whether a married couple could be permitted to use a condom if the husband ---but not the wife --- is HIV-positive. It might also be OK to use a condom if the married couple is past the age of childbearing, or where they are having intercourse only when the wife is in her naturally infertile time, that is, when they're practicing NFP. In such cases, the condom would have no contraceptive effect, just a disease-transmission-preventing effect.)

(3)Islamization/Shari'a. Turkson's strong position is "No."

Sounds like he has some good Justice creds. As defined by Catholic Christianity, not as defined by those who wrote the Politically Correct Dictionary.

18 posted on 10/25/2009 10:40:07 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Christ said, 'I am the Truth'; not 'I am the custom.'"-- St. Toribio, Bishop)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I just read this: "Theologically, he’s seen as a moderate: For example, Turkson has signaled openness to the argument that condoms might be appropriate for couples where one partner is HIV-positive and the other isn’t, on the logic that the intent in that case is not to prevent pregnancy but to prevent disease."

"With Muslims, Turkson has encouraged Catholics to study the Qur’an as a bridge to understanding." Link

An Opus Dei priest we spoke with regarding condom usage, said, "absolutely no" even past child-bearing years. He said you never stand in the way of Christ and His workings. I'll be surprised if this ruling goes toward condom usage. This cardinal concerns me.
19 posted on 10/25/2009 11:08:05 AM PDT by mlizzy ("It is impossible to walk rapidly and be unhappy" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Also, this bothers me the most about this cardinal Link

"Asked this morning during a Vatican news conference if the Catholic church is ready for a black pope, Turkson answered simply: "Why not?" "We've had Kofi Annan as Secretary General of the United Nations ... he had his problems, but he did it. Now we have Obama in the United States. So, if by divine providence, God would wish to have a black man as pope, I say thanks be to God!" It was vintage Turkson -- candid, charming, and delivered with a healthy dose of humor."

How could he be candid, charming and deliver his message with a dose of humor when referring to one of the biggest pro-aborts in history ... Barack Obama?
20 posted on 10/25/2009 11:17:16 AM PDT by mlizzy ("It is impossible to walk rapidly and be unhappy" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: mlizzy
The question of using condoms for non-contraceptive purposes is one that has not been ruled on definitively by the Church, and thus Catholics are at liberty to discuss and defend different points of view, as I understand it.

An analogy would be hysterectomy for the purpose of sterilization (morally wrong) vs hysterectomy for the purpose of eliminating uterine cancer (not morally wrong.) Purpose counts.

As for the off-the-cuff remark about Obama, it's jarring all right -- wince-making---- but it does not necessarily indicate a political, still less a doctrinal stance.

As for reading the Qur'an? I think everybody should. It does lead to more understanding. It lacks a thematic, moral or narrative arc, as far as I can see: it's inconsistent to the point of incoherence. That helps me understand a lot. Not in a good way.

Keep an eye on Turkson, but don't leap to far-reaching judgments. (Though of course the Leap to Judgment is a major olympic sports preference for all us'n's at Free Republic!) 8o/

21 posted on 10/25/2009 11:49:30 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Christ said, 'I am the Truth'; not 'I am the custom.'"-- St. Toribio, Bishop)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Thanks for clarifying where the Church stands on this, which is evidently not conclusive at the moment?, however, I do know that even if you do not have your reproductive organs, as Fr. Schendt explained to us, you are still standing in the way of God. Also there is the important issue that a condom is a "divider" between man and woman (much like taking a shower with a raincoat on; would you get clean?). So sex with a condom no longer is the gift from God it was meant to be joining man and woman. Would kissing be loving through Saran Wrap?

I don't know what to say about reading the Qur'an. I once thought it okay to go back to my old Lutheran Church as a way of understanding where I came from for so many years, yet I do not believe that is so anymore as it becomes a door open to me to allow the confusion (no Live Eucharist!) to enter back into my heart.

So, I'm not really judging the cardinal ... yet (this article WAS in the National Catholic Reporter, it could be wrongly worded) ... but it's not a big hop to imagine I'm hearing the cardinal with humor (almost infer) that Obama was elected president of the United States through "divine providence."


22 posted on 10/25/2009 12:41:26 PM PDT by mlizzy ("It is impossible to walk rapidly and be unhappy" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: mlizzy
Thanks for your response.

I can see it from your point of view. I myself think a condom at least "connotes" a refusal of complete sexual union. Oddly, I remember reading about a highly political ("gender radical") lesbian who "occasionally" slept with men but insisted on a condom because she felt it somehow signified her "separatism." Hmm, I thought.

Any human being is capable of saying stupid things as well as making mistakes, and this includes highly-placed Cardinals and the Pope himself. We should pray for them. Hard.

23 posted on 10/25/2009 1:25:49 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Christ said, 'I am the Truth'; not 'I am the custom.'"-- St. Toribio, Bishop)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Yes, you're right ... hard praying is good! ... if I spent as much time at our Adoration Chapel as I do on FreeRepublic, my prayers could save the town! [putting on coat, going to chapel ...:)]

God's blessings to you ... thanks for responding to my comments.
24 posted on 10/25/2009 1:36:11 PM PDT by mlizzy ("It is impossible to walk rapidly and be unhappy" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: mlizzy

Jumping the gun a bit.


25 posted on 10/25/2009 4:32:37 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED
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To: TASMANIANRED

I think it’s tacky that this cardinal would even answer questions about being the pope when Benedict is currently the Holy See. The fact he brings up Obama makes it all the more inappropriate/troublesome. I see a bit of a “show boat,” and that’s not what I look for in a great pope.


26 posted on 10/25/2009 5:02:22 PM PDT by mlizzy ("It is impossible to walk rapidly and be unhappy" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
My husband spoke with his brother today, who is an R.C. priest/pastor (very orthodox!) and he said the talk in Africa that the Pope gave earlier this year was indicative of the Church's standing in regard to condom use for single AND married people. He said he is under the opinion there would be no other ruling coming from Rome regarding same.

Link.
27 posted on 10/31/2009 7:52:12 AM PDT by mlizzy ("It is impossible to walk rapidly and be unhappy" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: mlizzy

God bless our gutsy Pope.


28 posted on 10/31/2009 1:29:26 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Christ said, 'I am the Truth'; not 'I am the custom.'"-- St. Toribio, Bishop)
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To: livius

This might be a smart move. Pope want to keep on eye on Cardinal Turkson by giving him office in Vatican. Such tactic might open a door for some more committed bishop to run this African country.


29 posted on 11/01/2009 1:03:22 PM PST by Lukasz
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