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Various Examples of When a Long Form Birth Certificate is Required
10/26/2009 | Jay099

Posted on 10/26/2009 3:42:44 AM PDT by jay099

Here is a list of government and civilian websites that require a long form birth certificate.

1.) Snyder County, PA requires a long form birth certificate to obtain a US passport for anyone 15 years of age or younger:

"Even with a previous passport - a LONG form birth certificate is required..."

http://www.snydercounty.org/snyder/cwp/view.asp?a=730&Q=408544

2.) In the state of Massachusetts, a long form birth certificate is required to obtain a passport:

"A long form birth certificate is required for obtaining a passport and for travel outside the country."

http://www.dighton-ma.gov/Public_Documents/DightonMA_Clerk/clerk?textPage=1

3.) Once again, the state of Massachusetts requires a long for birth certificate for "proof of citizenship":

"If you were born in the United States, then a LONG FORM birth certificate is required – the long form must be certified with a raised seal (no photocopies)."

http://www.cityofmelrose.org/departments/assessing.htm

4.) In the state of Massachusetts, a long long for birth certificate is required in certain adoption cases:

"However, if grandchild is a dependent of a dependent under age 19, copy of grandchild’s certified (Long Form) birth certificate is required."

http://www.townofmarshfield.org/public_documents/MarshfieldMA_HR/PCHG%20Rules.pdf

5.) In Laredo, Texas a long for birth certificate is required for passport or immigration purposes:

"The long form Birth Certificate is required for PASSPORT or IMMIGRATION purposes."

http://www.laredotexas.gov/health/Birth%20-%20Death%20Application%20Final%20English%20%20Spanish%20Revised%20January%202009.pdf

6.) Presenting a short form birth certificate to obtain health insurance at IMS Health is "not acceptable":

"Photocopy of dependent's birth certificate. Must be a complete birth certificate which includes both parents' names; short form birth certificate is not acceptable."

http://staging.dakotagrp.com/3756_IMS_enrollment_guide_web/enroll/

7.) The only type of birth certificate that is acceptable by the South Carolina Department of Health and Environmental Control is a long form birth certificate.

"The only type of birth certificate acceptable for travel is a birth certificate long form."

"A short form certification or birth card (cannot be used for travel)."

http://www.scdhec.gov/administration/vr/birth.htm

8.) And last of all, to play little league in San Dimas, California, you must present a (yep, you guessed it) long form birth certificate. An abstract, like Obama's COLB, is "not acceptable".

"Supply a certified birth record and proof of residence. Abstract birth certificate is Not acceptable."

http://www.leaguelineup.com/sdlittleleague/files/Registration%20Flyer%202008.pdf

So, if a short form birth certificate is not sufficient evidence of citizenship in any of these cases, then why would it be sufficient to be President of the United States?


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1 posted on 10/26/2009 3:42:44 AM PDT by jay099
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To: jay099

Yea !

We don’t have to worry about BHO trying to play little league baseball in Las Dimas !


2 posted on 10/26/2009 3:48:26 AM PDT by crescen7 (game on)
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To: jay099
Of course Indonesia does not require all this. Has BHO ever held a US passport?
barbra ann
3 posted on 10/26/2009 3:53:05 AM PDT by barb-tex (She is one of us)
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To: jay099

The problem is that Hawaii no longer issues long form birth certificates.

“Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl


4 posted on 10/26/2009 3:53:18 AM PDT by Natufian
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To: Natufian
Yeah, isn't that conveinent? That changed a few months after Barry's inauguration and all the hub bub came up.
5 posted on 10/26/2009 4:24:29 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: jay099

5.) In Laredo, Texas a long for birth certificate is required for passport or immigration purposes:
Looks like Obama will never get to live in Texas.


6 posted on 10/26/2009 4:37:11 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: autumnraine

I don’t think Obama has a BC...I think he was born in a mud hut in Kenya with some witch doctor shaking bones over him...


7 posted on 10/26/2009 5:20:04 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: jay099
RE :”So, if a short form birth certificate is not sufficient evidence of citizenship in any of these cases, then why would it be sufficient to be President of the United States?

Because he was elected by a wide margin. Because the constitution says NOTHING about the long form, contrary to the daily claims of birth-certificaters here.

8 posted on 10/26/2009 5:30:26 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: jay099

“FREE THE LONG FORM!”


9 posted on 10/26/2009 5:48:40 AM PDT by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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To: autumnraine; Natufian

I’d like to ask Hawaiian officials why they changed the law just to help Obama cover his past.


10 posted on 10/26/2009 5:49:52 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (When liberal ideology is put into practice it accomplishes, universally, the opposite of its claims.)
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To: sickoflibs
A) He was not elected by a wide margin.

B) The Constitution says nothing about proving natural-born status at all, so your "long form" saying here is meaningless.

C) In the absence of any constitutional specifics, a challenge to the status of an individual (for any reason) would be adjudicated via statutory law. The posts here show that for much less important and weighty purposes applicants are required to show original long form birth certificates. The real question is why this man refuses to do what any ordinary citizen does as a matter of course when asked, and provide his original long form birth certificate?-

11 posted on 10/26/2009 6:01:14 AM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: sickoflibs

Well, the Constitution says nothing about the long form, that’s true. This is a moral argument. Does anyone have a moral right to hold the highest office in the land while concealing about 20 kinds of vital records, and fighting efforts in court to reveal them? (Especially in a case where one parent was a foreign citizen and international travel prior to the birth was not unlikely.) If no court compels it, I hope that at least by 2012, several states will have passed laws requiring documentation of natural-born citizen status with a long-form birth certificate.


12 posted on 10/26/2009 6:05:11 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: jay099

In New Mexico, a short form birth certificate is NOT acceptable for a Concealed Carry Permit. ONLY the long (real) birth certificate form will be accepted. However, in the case of having the “button” to nuclear weapons, apparently the federal government doesn’t require as much as New Mexico.


13 posted on 10/26/2009 6:23:11 AM PDT by Jackson57
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To: Genoa

The Constitution was written by honorable men for honorable men. It is dishonorable to conceal your past.


14 posted on 10/26/2009 6:24:31 AM PDT by GregNH ("Dc Rally from the Ground" by me http://gwgjlm.blogspot.com/2009/09/dc-rally-from-ground.html)
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To: Genoa; Doug Loss
RE :”Well, the Constitution says nothing about the long form, that’s true. This is a moral argument.

There are so many I cant count the number of birth-certificaters that throw that “I am defending the constitution and don't care about anything else” crap. At least you are not trying that.

I think you got a pretty crappy moral argument. The first AA president (elected by a wide margin) and the moral argument is he shouldn't be president because he hasn't shown you his long form BC??? Not policy, not actions, not elections but his BC. Moral??

This is why no one will touch this birth-certificater stuff. This is poison

15 posted on 10/26/2009 6:48:20 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: sickoflibs

What do you think of someone who tries to conceal his past? Do you want to trust him?


16 posted on 10/26/2009 6:53:24 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: reasonisfaith

Please post the answer that you get here!!!


17 posted on 10/26/2009 7:02:04 AM PDT by danamco
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To: GregNH

The usurper calls the framers “The So-Called Founders”!!!


18 posted on 10/26/2009 7:06:41 AM PDT by danamco
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To: LucyT

Ping


19 posted on 10/26/2009 7:08:17 AM PDT by danamco
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To: Genoa
RE :”What do you think of someone who tries to conceal his past? Do you want to trust him?”

What do you mean past? You mean his birth? You really think anyone except a few ..I wont say.. are going to hold his birth against him? Especially being the first AA American??? Suppose his father's name is not on it. Worse here because you don't even have that dirt on him. You are fishing for stuff no one wants to know. This is poison.

20 posted on 10/26/2009 7:49:15 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: sickoflibs

I don’t follow your logic. It’s not about what people would or would not hold against him. He has his life in lockdown mode. That’s either right or it isn’t. I say it isn’t.


21 posted on 10/26/2009 7:57:45 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: Genoa

RE :”I don’t follow your logic. It’s not about what people would or would not hold against him. He has his life in lockdown mode. That’s either right or it isn’t. I say it isn’t.”

What’s not? What may be on his BC that you dont know about? Maybe his dad is not on it? That’s not right?


22 posted on 10/26/2009 8:09:33 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: sickoflibs

It’s not just the BC, but a lifetime of other records dealing with school, college applications, etc., etc. Someone on another thread has posted a list of some 20 categories of documents that are either access refused or “lost” or otherwise unavailable for some strange reason. Was he born in the US? He says he was, but won’t share his documentation. (A so-called Certification of Live Birth, COLB for short, a recent computer printout, was seen on a website, but no one knows where it came from and some say it’s a fabrication. It has no information about birth hospital or attending physician.) Did he have and use foreign citizenship at various times during his adult life for benefits such as financial aid in college? We don’t know that either. Did he travel on a foreign passport? When and how did he change his name from Barry Soetoro to BHO? On and on it goes. We have a mystery man in the White House who won’t share details about his past. And this doesn’t bother you?


23 posted on 10/26/2009 8:17:17 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: danamco; thouworm; rxsid; GOPJ; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; ...
Thanks, danamco. A SP (site pest) is here already.

to play little league in San Dimas, California, you must present a (yep, you guessed it) long form birth certificate. An abstract, like Obama's COLB, is "not acceptable".

"Supply a certified birth record and proof of residence. Abstract birth certificate is Not acceptable."

24 posted on 10/26/2009 8:20:37 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: autumnraine

Who changed it? Dem or Republican?


25 posted on 10/26/2009 8:28:32 AM PDT by Natufian
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To: Natufian

No idea. Not sure where the orders came down from.


26 posted on 10/26/2009 8:38:47 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: autumnraine

Hawaii changed the format in 2001. Those few months have become a few years.


27 posted on 10/26/2009 8:55:36 AM PDT by Natufian
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To: Natufian; All

“Hawaii changed the format in 2001. Those few months have become a few years.”

They changed the FORMAT of the birth certificate printout, but it wasn’t until THIS year that the long form was ‘unavailable’.

It was just in January that the DHHL REQUIRED the long form to get the benefits of being of Hawaiian heritage. Too bad I didn’t screen capture the website because I remember going back to my bookmark a few months ago to find that not only is the ‘long form’ no longer required by the DHHL, it’s no longer AVAILABLE.

Coincedence?


28 posted on 10/26/2009 9:07:51 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: All

P.S. I’m sure others here remember as well, not only was it specific about requiring the long form, it said to make sure you allot enough time to obtain it because it took several weeks to month to get it from the state. You couldn’t just walk into any county office and get a printout (like the one Obama put on his website).


29 posted on 10/26/2009 9:09:51 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: barb-tex
Has BHO ever held a US passport?

I believe the State Department issues passports to ALL senators. Maybe he ran for the Senate (and served just long enough) simply to get a US passport?

Love your tagline, it's the antithesis of the last of mine...

30 posted on 10/26/2009 9:20:46 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 277 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: sickoflibs; wannabegeek
What do you mean past?

"Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God;..."

Hat tip to wannabegeek:

Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no records -- no paper trail -- none -- this is no accident. It is being done on purpose with Media help - but to serve whom & why???

MISSING-HIDDEN DOCUMENTS:

Original, vault copy of Certificate of Live Birth in the USA -- Not Released (1 version hidden in Hawaii, Original(?) found in Kenya)
Certificate of Live Birth -- Released -- Proven Counterfeit (www.ObamaFiles.com)
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Not Released
Punahou School records -- Not released
Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Proven Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport (Pakistan) -- Not released
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None (maybe 1, Not Signed)
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None (Locked up to prohibit public view)
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost (All other Illinois state senators' records are intact)
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

31 posted on 10/26/2009 9:28:24 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 277 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: jay099

If you need to apply for a security clearance where I work in Texas, you must bring in the short one (my was issued by the State of Texas and looks very similar to the Hawaii certificate), not “the long thing from the hospital with the foot prints on it”.


32 posted on 10/26/2009 9:36:01 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: jay099

If you need to apply for a security clearance where I work in Texas, you must bring in the short one (my was issued by the State of Texas and looks very similar to the Hawaii certificate), not “the long thing from the hospital with the foot prints on it”.


33 posted on 10/26/2009 9:36:03 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: sickoflibs
What may be on his BC that you dont know about? Maybe his dad is not on it? That’s not right?

We know a very few things:

The CoLB that his campaign released is a forgery.

Someone risked jail time to forge this document.

It takes all of half an hour on the 'net, and about $25-$40 to have a legitimate certified copy of your own BC delivered within a week.

Therefore, I conclude that there must be some compelling reason to falsify his BC.

The compelling reason that comes to mind is that the real document would kick him out of the running for being the most powerful man on earth.

From this I conclude that his true documentation shows one or more of the following truths:

• He was not born in the United States, and is therefore constitutionally unqualified for the job. This is a show stopper. There is no way to "fix" this or inoculate himself against this, or win over voters on this issue. It is the premier campaign killer issue.

Therefore, I regard this as the most probable explanation for the deceit.

All the other possible reasons are much lower grade:

• His BC shows that he's a bastard. Although this might be personally embarrassing, nobody cares, a goodly fraction of the electorate is in the same boat, or closely related to someone who is.
• His birth name isn't Barak Hussein Obama. So what? We already know his his name changed when he was adopted in Indonesia. People can and do change their names, it isn't a crime, or even particularly shady.
The only question it really raises is why did he chose a muslim name? That's rather easy to explain away - he took his genetic father's name. Who can argue with that? Especially when muslim names had some popularity among blacks who didn't know just how deeply involved muslims were in the slave trade.
• His real birth certificate lists his race as something other than "African". This would be more of a problem. His whole campaign is founded on his being "the first black president" come January. Still not lethal to the campaign, but it would be awkward to 'splain away.

• There is something else embarrassing on his official BC.

Like what?
There could be nothing conceivably embarrassing about:

His time of birth
His birthday
His city of birth
His county of birth
His island of birth
His religion (Religion is not even listed!)
His mother's race
The date it was filed

A few things could be a slightly embarrassing:

The serial number? Maybe? Suppose it's really 151-1961-000666? Nope. It turned out to be 151-1961-010641

His father's name wasn't listed. Not terribly unlikely if he and Stanley Ann split up before he was born. No one cares.

His mother's maiden name. Suppose she really did use her Anna Toot drinkin' ID to get married? Would that really suffice as a reason for someone to risk jail time by falsifying his documents? More to the point, would it disqualify Barak? I don't think so. If anything it could be played for the sympathy vote, young naïve Stanley Ann trying to do her best in covering up the mistakes of her youth. Mother's maiden name listed as Anna Toot? Yawn.

That leaves the big enchilada:
His birth name. Was it really the noble and exotic Barak Hussein Obama II?

Or was it Mortimer Snerdly Toot, hmmmm?

Live that one down!

One other possibility, but it's so odd I hesitate to mention it:

Approximately 1% of live births are hermaphroditic to a noticeable degree. Perhaps his birth certificate lists him as a girl. (That would explain his pitching, and if Larry Sinclair is to be believed, his catching style)...

34 posted on 10/26/2009 9:50:16 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 277 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: autumnraine

So someone could call DHHL and ask for copy of their BC and specify if they wanted the long version or the short version?


35 posted on 10/26/2009 9:51:17 AM PDT by Natufian
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To: Doe Eyes

A short form is OK for security clearance?

A long form isn’t???????


36 posted on 10/26/2009 9:52:57 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 277 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Doe Eyes
"If you need to apply for a security clearance where I work in Texas, you must bring in the short one (my was issued by the State of Texas and looks very similar to the Hawaii certificate), not “the long thing from the hospital with the foot prints on it”.

That thing from the hospital with the foot print was never considered the official Birth Certificate In fact the hospitals don't even give you those anymore.

37 posted on 10/26/2009 9:54:20 AM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: autumnraine

The only reference I could find to this is as follows:

When we spoke to a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, she said too much was being made of the difference between the so-called “long” and “short” forms.

“They’re just words,” said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. “That (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii.”

“”There’s only one form of birth certificate,” she said, and it’s been the same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said, and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked when Obama was born and now.

“When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site,” she said. “That’s the birth certificate.””


38 posted on 10/26/2009 9:59:48 AM PDT by Natufian
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To: Natufian

No, DHHL required the ‘long form’ in order to apply for their benefits. They (the applicant) had to contact the state human resources dept for that required long form birth certificate.

DHHL is the Dept of Hawaiian Homelands and is the office that helps native Hawaiians become property owners. In order to qualify for this benefit, you had to prove you were Hawaiian by heritage (think Native Americans and requirements for reservation benefits). Until a few months back, they did not accept the print out form as Obama put on his website as proof of Hawaiian heritage and required the ‘long form’ giving place of birth, parents name and birthplace, etc... Well, the DHR of Hawaii decided to scrap even offering the long form (and I don’t know any other state to do so!) so the DHHL had to change their requirements as Hawaiians obviously couldn’t get what wasn’t offered any longer.

I hope I am making sense.


39 posted on 10/26/2009 10:01:00 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: null and void
"Approximately 1% of live births are hermaphroditic to a noticeable degree. Perhaps his birth certificate lists him as a girl. (That would explain his pitching, and if Larry Sinclair is to be believed, his catching style)..."

I remember reading some time back when the Governor of Hawaii sealed his BC it was stated that it would be VERY EMBARRASING if it got out.

Your statement above is the only thing that I can think of that would be very embarrassing.

40 posted on 10/26/2009 10:03:09 AM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: null and void

Yes, there could be something HUGELY wrong with his birthdate. Like being born two years earlier, before Hawaii was a state...


41 posted on 10/26/2009 10:06:02 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Boonie

Yes, and the address was path 9 hut 5.


42 posted on 10/26/2009 10:07:32 AM PDT by jarofants
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To: null and void; wannabegeek; Genoa
Asuming you had his so called ‘real BC’, which you dont, and assuming you had it prior to election day 2008, you may or may not have been able to make use of any of the items you speculate about. But here are your show stoppers:

1) You dont have the so called ‘real BC’
2) He is president, elected almost a year ago by the voters
3) You cant show HE forged anything himself. Is it his handwriting on the so called forgery?? who forges their own birth certificate?
4) He's the first AA president, so digging and digging for mud, but not finding any is poison.?
5) No one wants to talk about this but MSNBC, ever wonder why?

43 posted on 10/26/2009 10:07:38 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: sickoflibs

sickoflibs, you’re tone deaf about the moral issue. It’s not about pragmatism, it’s about principle.


44 posted on 10/26/2009 10:10:54 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: Natufian; LucyT

All I can tell is that something is fishy with that. And as I said before, I don’t have a screen shot of the PREVIOUS DHHL site that specifically requested the LONG FORM, not the PRINT OUT. So there is(was) a difference obviously, or a State Agency wouldn’t be requesting it.

Maybe the ping list has someone with a screen shot of the previous DHHL site.


45 posted on 10/26/2009 10:13:14 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Genoa
RE :sickoflibs, you’re tone deaf about the moral issue. It’s not about pragmatism, it’s about principle

Me and the rest of the planet Earth. He was born, get over it.

46 posted on 10/26/2009 10:15:25 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: autumnraine

I might be wrong about this, but I recall a discussion on FR that concluded that being born in a US territory would not be (has never been) a problem with regard to NBC status.


47 posted on 10/26/2009 10:16:49 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: Genoa; sickoflibs; autumnraine
Goldwater was born in the Territory of Arizona. Although it was never put to the final test, consensus was that it sufficed.

OTOH, we have a troll on this very thread who thinks that "being born" suffices...

48 posted on 10/26/2009 10:29:13 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 277 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: autumnraine
"Yeah, isn't that conveinent? That changed a few months after Barry's inauguration and all the hub bub came up."

No, that's not true. Hawaii has used the COLB form for years.

49 posted on 10/26/2009 10:29:45 AM PDT by mlo
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To: null and void
OTOH, we have a troll on this very thread who thinks that "being born" suffices...

Yep. Still, I want to see the hatchling's long form.
50 posted on 10/26/2009 10:31:24 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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