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Torching the Big Tent (NY Times on the GOP)
NY TImes ^ | 10/25/09 | Pinchy "loaf" Sulzberger

Posted on 10/26/2009 8:34:05 AM PDT by pissant

The feeble pulse of moderation in the Republican Party is in danger of flat-lining in the Nov. 3 Congressional election in upstate New York. Luminaries like Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich have taken opposing sides over whether the party dare tolerate the official Republican candidate in the 23rd district — Dede Scozzafava, a six-term assemblywoman whose record includes refreshing tinges of centrism.

Ms. Scozzafava was nominated by local party leaders as eminently electable despite — or because of — her defense of women’s abortion rights and her tolerant views on same-sex marriage.

She is already shunned by many more ideologically narrow House Republicans, and deep-pocketed right-wing purists, pouring in hundreds of thousands of dollars, have driven up the poll numbers of Douglas Hoffman on the Conservative line. Barely noticed in the intramural scrum is the Democratic candidate, Bill Owens. He could profit most from the three-way split in the heavily Republican district, which was vacated by John McHugh, the G.O.P. moderate appointed secretary of the Army by President Obama.

Helping to elect the Democrat is not the aim of ambitious conservatives like Ms. Palin, last year’s vice presidential nominee, who is now intent on building a national constituency. She pronounced Scozzafava’s candidacy unacceptable because it “blurs the lines,” at least of Ms. Palin’s idea of party orthodoxy. Mr. Gingrich, the former House speaker, nostalgic for the G.O.P.’s “big tent” fantasy days, disagreed.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bigtent; dnc4rinos; gop; gopfuture; liberalbias; msm; msm4rinos; ny23; nytimes; propagandawingofdnc; rinoparty; rinopurge; rinos; scozzafava; whigpartyii
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LOL. The NY Times is concerned about the state of the GOP? Who knew?
1 posted on 10/26/2009 8:34:08 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
Dear NY Treason Times,

When we want our enemies advice, we will call you. Until then do not waste our time.

2 posted on 10/26/2009 8:35:19 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Note to the GOP: Do not count your votes until they are cast.)
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To: All
I am contacting the NRCC to ask why they are supporting Scozzafava in this race, and why they are ignoring David Harmer in California’s 10th district. Here are the numbers if anyone else wants to call:
from the NRCC "contact us" web page:
Contact the NRCC

Address:

320 First Street, SE
Washington, DC 20003

Departments:

The National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC)'s departments can be reached below:

General Email
website@nrcc.org

Executive
Phone: 202-479-7000

Administration
Phone: 202-479-7000

Political
Phone: 202-479-7000

Finance
Phone: 202-479-7000

Communications
Phone: 202-479-7070

eCampaign
Phone: 202-479-7000

Also, perhaps those of us who donated to the RNC or RCCC should ask for our money back so we can support the conservative candidates of our choice.

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From the desk of
cc2k:
Candidates I support: Doug Hoffman for Congress, NY 23rd (PayPal), David Harmer for Congress, CA 10th (website for info).

Please, spread the word about these important special elections on November 3, 209: New York’s 23rd congressional district and California’s 10th congressional district.

3 posted on 10/26/2009 8:35:46 AM PDT by cc2k (I have donated to Doug Hoffman, have you? [check my recent reply posts])
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To: pissant

We aren’t torching the big tent. Just tossing tear gas inside and shooting any RINOs that run out.


4 posted on 10/26/2009 8:36:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: pissant

Figures that the NYT would love Scuzzabama, who’s not even a moderate but a full-on liberal DIABLO.


5 posted on 10/26/2009 8:37:12 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: pissant
her defense of women’s abortion rights and her tolerant views on same-sex marriage.

Can you imagine the NYT writing in support of a conservative along these lines: "her defense of a baby's right to life and her tolerant views on traditional marriage."

6 posted on 10/26/2009 8:37:16 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: pissant
Dede Scozzafava, a six-term assemblywoman whose record includes refreshing tinges of centrism

IOW, the usual Albany hack.

7 posted on 10/26/2009 8:37:17 AM PDT by seton89
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To: pissant
Pinchy "loaf" Sulzberger

*spew*
8 posted on 10/26/2009 8:39:41 AM PDT by GQuagmire
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To: pissant
Someone had a great one liner on here yesterday. I wish I could remember who and give them credit. Maybe they will see this and claim it:
In a smaller tent, we stand closer together
What is important for conservatives is to hold to their principles and values. The GOP can win our votes if they support those principles and values. If they wander from that, they risk defeat. It is not us who are handing this seat to the Dems. It is the GOP who does this by nominating candidates who can not win.

I would like to see a Hoffman victory in NY23, but a resounding defeat for Scozzafava (which looks very likely) would still send the message. If Hoffman beats her by a good margin, it will be obvious that it was Scozzafava taking votes away from a candidate that could have won.


From the desk of
cc2k:
Candidates I support: Doug Hoffman for Congress, NY 23rd (PayPal), David Harmer for Congress, CA 10th (website for info).

Please, spread the word about these important special elections on November 3, 209: New York’s 23rd congressional district and California’s 10th congressional district.

9 posted on 10/26/2009 8:39:41 AM PDT by cc2k (I have donated to Doug Hoffman, have you? [check my recent reply posts])
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To: pissant

Newt and the NY Slimes are supporting the same candidate!

And Newt is thinking about running in 2012...


10 posted on 10/26/2009 8:40:15 AM PDT by Robbin (If Sarah isn’t welcome, I’m not welcome, it’s just that simple…)
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To: pissant

When the New York Times comes out for the NRCC’s candidate, you can be pretty sure there is something rotten at the NRCC.


11 posted on 10/26/2009 8:40:29 AM PDT by mort56 (He who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither. - Ben Franklin)
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To: pissant

Well if the NY Times is “concerned” you can pretty much bet it’s the right path for us. I won’t hold my breath but this should tell the party “elite” (aka dead wood) they’re headed in the wrong direction. Like Rush says, the left will always tell us who our candidate is by who they’re most afraid of.

Cindie


12 posted on 10/26/2009 8:41:50 AM PDT by gardencatz (Thank you America, for exercising your free speech rights my Marine is fighting to defend!)
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To: pissant

newt keeps mistakenly preaching that this was a LOCAL election from the people, it was a unilaterally decision by a handful of party bosses - Newt, correct yourself.

Newt supports the BOSSES because he wants their support for President in 2012.

Newt doesn’t understand the grassroots is rebelling against this smoke filled room style of politics.

Newt - you look foolish here.


13 posted on 10/26/2009 8:42:15 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: pissant

Once again, Pinch lies. Dede isn’t a conservative with moderate social views. Dede is a liberal with moderate economic views. She belongs in the Democratic Party.


14 posted on 10/26/2009 8:44:00 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: pissant
The feeble pulse of moderation in the Republican Party is in danger of flat-lining in the Nov. 3 Congressional election in upstate New York.

Oh, please let it be so, nationwide.

The Slimes is desperately interested in the GOP, not.

The ringer GOP that backstabbs the conservatives that would prevail in these Congressional contests, that's what the NY Slime worry for.

But the good news is the record low for subscriptions and the record high for losses.

The Red newspaper remains in the red.

15 posted on 10/26/2009 8:44:11 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: pissant
Dede Scozzafava, a six-term assemblywoman whose record includes refreshing tinges of centrism.

Pinch calls the murder of 50 million innocent Americans "centrism".

He is a leftist loon !


16 posted on 10/26/2009 8:44:43 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: pissant
refreshing tinges of centrism.

I wonder if the NY Times would view a Dem candidate who was against cap and trade, against health care reform, and against abortion as demonstrating refreshing tinges of centrism. Scuzzy is only a centrist to those on the far left.

17 posted on 10/26/2009 8:45:51 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: pissant
Dede Scozzafava, a six-term assemblywoman whose record includes refreshing tinges of centrism

Refreshing tinges of far left liberalism.....There fixed it.

18 posted on 10/26/2009 8:45:52 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: 2banana
Can you imagine the NYT writing in support of a conservative along these lines: "her defense of a baby's right to life and her tolerant views on traditional marriage.

This kind of reminds me of all of the "advice" the left was lending the GOP after last year's elections - that they need to be more "centrist" in order to be "relevant". What a joke.

19 posted on 10/26/2009 8:49:09 AM PDT by cartervt2k
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To: Don Corleone

Well, you have to understand, the “center” for the New York Times is somewhere between Chairman Mao and Bill Clinton.


20 posted on 10/26/2009 8:49:39 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: pissant
There is a difference between being a good party member and being dedicated to a political ideology. I am a conservative, and I will vote for a conservative. I have no interest in voting for a liberal or moderate Republican. I would rather vote for a Blue Dog Democrat than a liberal Republican. It was RINOs that destroyed the “tent”. Why give them another chance to do it again? It seems illogical to elect a liberal Republican that votes with the liberal Democrats. Please save us from “centrists”.
21 posted on 10/26/2009 8:52:02 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: pissant
I am surprised that a video or transcript of Gingrich on Fox&Friends yesterday hasn't made it to the Internet (that I can find).


22 posted on 10/26/2009 8:53:04 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: pissant
refreshing tinges of centrism...defense of women’s abortion rights and her tolerant views on same-sex marriage"

Note where lies "centrism" on the NYT's sliding scale.

23 posted on 10/26/2009 8:53:19 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: pissant
I’d really like an opportunity to sit down with the guys who picked Scozzafava and try to understand exactly what made that pick sound good to them. I’m not even, or at least not just, talking about her politics. I’m talking about “Teh Stupid...it burns.” Not to mention Teh Ugly. No wonder Pinch likes her.
24 posted on 10/26/2009 8:53:43 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: dead

Funny how they never seek centrism or moderation from the democrats.


25 posted on 10/26/2009 8:57:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: pissant

This confirms my theorum that the media DEFINE centrism as wherever the RAT party is on the political spectrum at any given time. The NYT would no doubt consider Mao a centrist.


26 posted on 10/26/2009 8:57:57 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: pissant

The problem with the “big tent” is that there isn’t any room for anyone who leans conservative.


27 posted on 10/26/2009 8:58:01 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: 1Old Pro
newt keeps mistakenly preaching that this was a LOCAL election from the people

IIRC, he did the opposite in the early 90s with his Contract for America. His intent then was to create a 'national' election for the House membership.
28 posted on 10/26/2009 8:58:10 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The problem with the “big tent” is that there isn’t any room for anyone who leans conservative.

By design.

They will vote the party candidate, whomever it is. After all, where else are they going to go? Fishing?
29 posted on 10/26/2009 9:01:25 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: dirtboy
I wonder if the NY Times would view a Dem candidate who was against cap and trade, against health care reform, and against abortion as demonstrating refreshing tinges of centrism.

I'm still waiting to see their article extolling the blue dogs for having some concerns about the host of health care legislation.

30 posted on 10/26/2009 9:02:15 AM PDT by cartervt2k
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To: pissant
With Dedes being so far to the left she might just split the RAT vote. I wonder if the NYT has thought about that?
31 posted on 10/26/2009 9:02:23 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: pissant

Mrs. Palin, tear down that tent!!!!


32 posted on 10/26/2009 9:03:17 AM PDT by blf1776 (The Left is ruthless, the GOP is spineless.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Another FReeper once said that around election time the RINOs step outside the big tent and shake hands, invite us inside, offer to feed us and ask us to vote for their guy.

After the vote they make us feel like we’ve overstayed our welcome and point us toward the door.

In off years the only time they see us is when they step outside to chuck rocks at us.


33 posted on 10/26/2009 9:04:22 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek
In off years the only time they see us is when they step outside to chuck rocks at us.

As a Ron Paul supporter, I can relate.

34 posted on 10/26/2009 9:09:36 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: TomGuy

Whether Hoffman wins or loses in NY, I hope the GOP gets the message: We will not sit by and just take whatever RINO they put on the ticket.


35 posted on 10/26/2009 9:13:09 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: cripplecreek
After the vote they make us feel like we’ve overstayed our welcome and point us toward the door.

Young, vibrant, enthusiastic Ron Paul supporters packed a Hillsborough County Republican "meet-the-candidates" event at a Nashua golf course, in order to hear Rep. Paul talk about sound money, shrinking the size and reach of government, and obeying the Constitution, and you should have seen the grey-haired party stalwarts seethe at having to put up with it. Especially when the airplane towing the Ron Paul banner began circling overhead.

36 posted on 10/26/2009 9:13:13 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: TomGuy

I didn’t realize that Newt had moved to upstate NY. If he hasn’t, perhaps he should take his own advice, and butt out.


37 posted on 10/26/2009 9:14:24 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Georgism is Capitalism's best, last hope)
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To: TomGuy

Pot calling Kettle.

Considering he involved himself he has no room to speak. Neither does the Republican Leadership since their advice was consulted for this “local” race.


38 posted on 10/26/2009 9:16:28 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: pissant

“refreshing tinges of centrism”.

You know when the NY Times likes a candidate, that’s someone who votes with liberals.

Regretably, the NY Times’ ink-laden advice lacks utility even when viewed through the lens of pet bird droppings.


39 posted on 10/26/2009 9:21:15 AM PDT by rod1
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To: pissant

Oh, Pinchy, oh, Pinchy, oh, yeah, baby, you’re hittin’ that sweet spot. C’mon, baby. Hit me again.


40 posted on 10/26/2009 9:21:38 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: stop_fascism

Exactly.
Newt should take Dee Dee to his own district if he likes her politics that much.


41 posted on 10/26/2009 9:22:47 AM PDT by rod1
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To: stop_fascism

It is heart warming to see that the Times is worried about the direction of the GOP. They better start worrying about their bottom line.

By the way, this is how the House is supposed to work: a local candidate represents the local interests of the local electorate. The ideals that the Times finds so abhorrent are in fact the local sentiment.

This is how it is supposed to work in a representative republic. I dare say that the sentiments of the constituents of Pelosi are not shared by the majority of Americans, but that is how it works!


42 posted on 10/26/2009 9:23:03 AM PDT by nj patriot (Gore is beyond help.... Snakes in the head.)
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To: pissant

How many times have we heard this crap down through the years?? The Republicans must have a big tent and support Scranton or Rockefeller over Goldwater in ‘64, Ford over Reagan in ‘76, Bush over Reagan in ‘80, Dole over Buchanan in ‘96, McCain over Bush in ‘00, Specter over Toomey in ‘04, McCain over Romney et al in ‘08.

It gets tedious. When Republicans run as conservatives (other than in ‘64), they win, 68, 72, 80, 84, 88, 00, and 04, they win. When they run as moderates, 60, 76, 92, 96, and 08, they lose.

Big surprise that the democrats and their mouthpieces love the moderate big tenters!


43 posted on 10/26/2009 9:25:09 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cc2k; UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Someone had a great one liner on here yesterday.

Actually, cc2k, it's "In a small tent, we stand closer." Tagline Material courtesy of UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

44 posted on 10/26/2009 9:50:00 AM PDT by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: pissant
...refreshing tinges of centrism

(adopts Bubba accent) Well, now, that all depends on what your definition of "refreshing" is...

45 posted on 10/26/2009 9:53:32 AM PDT by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: mvpel

I’m not a Ron Paul supporter but I’m not one to attack him for being right about a great many things.


46 posted on 10/26/2009 11:18:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: TomGuy

good point


47 posted on 10/26/2009 11:30:33 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: pissant

They correctly call McHugh a Moderate, but then call DeDe a “centrist” (actually, they just say she has hints of centrist leanings, suggesting she is more to the right). Centrist to them means abortion rights, apparently, even though half the country opposes those rights, and a vast majority opposes the unfettered right to abortion that DeDe supports.

McHugh was no conservative, but he was much more conservative than DeDe. If the nyt knows McHugh was a moderate, they know that DeDe is a “liberal republican”. However, the MSM never uses the term “liberal republican”, just as they never use the term “liberal democrat”.

They also won’t use “progressive republican”, because that’s too “positive” a word from their point of view, so they use “moderate” and “centrist”., while they use “progressive” for far-left democrats, and “moderate” for ordinary left-wing democrats.


48 posted on 10/26/2009 11:58:00 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: MaggieCarta; cc2k

The logic of my tag is obvious.

The Dem “big tent” is gays, race, peace, environment, immigration, unions, atheists etc.
But it is really a small tent because if you are gay, you must also be green, pacifist, pro-affirmative action, amnesty....
If you are in a Dem group, you must support all of them, even if they are detrimental to one another (i.e. unions vs. illegal immigrants or race - Blacks are mostly religious - vs. gays and atheists)

The Republican “Big Tent” is economic, security and social conservatives.
There is no necessary conflict between them.
So it is not too much to expect them to squeeze together in a “smaller tent” and start supporting each other like the Dems do.
And if they don’t support all three, ask for their support but for God’s sake, don’t elect them.


49 posted on 10/26/2009 1:39:59 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE STAND CLOSER! ****** IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: DesScorp
Dede is a liberal with moderate economic views. She belongs in the Democratic Party.

Wonder if she and Rahm have each other's phone numbers?

50 posted on 10/26/2009 2:32:38 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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