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Why boys are turning into girls (gender-bending chemicals in products)
Telegraph ^ | October 23, 2009 | Geoffrey Lean

Posted on 10/26/2009 10:19:39 AM PDT by NYer

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To: DLfromthedesert
I never said it was a "bad" thing.  Point is, they are labeled either "regular guys" (very gay looking) or "jocks".  No middle ground.
61 posted on 10/28/2009 7:31:45 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Where's my free house, car, etc?)
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To: softwarecreator

I would hope they would rather be labeled jock than faggot.


62 posted on 10/28/2009 7:41:19 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: NYer
It's not just the chemicals, although I don't dispute the article. It's also our culture. When I see the photos of the men my nieces are friends with or are dating, it strikes me and my husband that they appear extremely feminine. Just the fact that these men all seem to have their eyebrows waxed is an indication that something is not right.
63 posted on 10/28/2009 7:47:59 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DLfromthedesert
I would hope they would rather be labeled jock than faggot.

Very true.  Problem is, this is teaching these boys that you either are on a team or you should dress like a gay person.  Not everyone aspires to be a football player ... does not make them gay.

64 posted on 10/28/2009 7:53:33 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Where's my free house, car, etc?)
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To: Mase
You believe that a normal human diet consisting of cereals, fruits, and vegetables is causing the feminization of boys?

A normal human diet is a lot of game, bear, deer, fish, roots, nuts, tiny berries and tiny sour fruits. Our modern diet has only been around 100 years, which is not enough time for natural selection to kill off the majority not suited for it, but it is making progress. Things like broccoli and brussels sprouts are man-made inventions with phytoestrogen effects. There is very little study on what foods affect growing children in what ways. The monster sized fruits and vegetables available in stores are completely unnatural and man-made. It's all experimental, and we are the guinea pigs. Until studies are done using control groups it's safer for growing children to not be given foods containing hormone signals.

65 posted on 10/28/2009 8:22:44 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Reeses
There are more than 300 plants, in 16 common families, containing estrogens that may bind with receptors of humans or wildlife. These so-called endocrine disrupters have been present in our food supply for a lot longer than 100 years. Even so, to think that any damage from these would not be evident over the past century, if in fact these foods were dangerous in any way to begin with, is absurd.

There is no shortage of studies on how our food supply affects children and the fact that we are living longer healthier lives today with, according to you, a diet filled with unnatural foods, is all the proof you need that your fears are unfounded.

Trying to feed people with foods not containing naturally occurring endocrine disrupters today would be nearly impossible and would serve no purpose. If the naysayers could show any ill effects from consuming these volatiles, they would. They can't but that doesn't make them any less vocal. Everything you eat today, save some wild fish and some tree nuts, has been genetically modified in some way. Man-made and unnatural food, as you refer to it, is what makes up our food supply and here we are living longer and healthier lives than at any other time in our history.

66 posted on 10/28/2009 9:04:06 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: tired1

“Tea with lemon? Try it in a styrofoam cup and see what happens.”

Tell us!


67 posted on 10/28/2009 9:04:50 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: antisocial

The acid in the lemon dissolves the cup, it quickly becomes pitted if you look closely.


68 posted on 10/28/2009 9:08:24 AM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: NYer

I’ve always suspected this about NY metrosexuals.

From the article:

Scientists at the University of Rochester in New York discovered that boys born to women exposed to phthalates had smaller penises and other feminisation of the genitals.


69 posted on 10/28/2009 9:11:02 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
U r right but two great reads: Boys Adrift and Why Gender Matters by Leonard Sax looks at both the education/society reasons AND environmental toxins (ie plastics) making both ways less of men than our grandfathers. Fascinating books...with solid ideas on how boys are “ripped off” from being REAL MEN.
70 posted on 10/28/2009 9:28:29 AM PDT by awin
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To: Mase
we are living longer healthier lives today

Yes, but people have to live out their adult lives with how their body develops during childhood, so those years are particularly important yet rarely studied carefully. You can often tell if a young Chinese woman spent her teen years in China or America by the size of her chest, while in the rest of her body there is not such a dramatic difference. Does anyone know why this is so? It might simply be more calories, or it could be hormone signals in the American food that is not yet present in China. This is visible hard evidence of something non-genetic going on. If not differences in food, what is your explanation?

71 posted on 10/28/2009 10:04:39 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Reeses
You want me to explain why Chinese women who spend their teen years in the US have larger chests than the Chinese women that spend their teen years in China?

I could speculate but speculation won't solve the "issue" as you frame it. It does sound like a good question to pose in a grant request made to the NIH. They love throwing money at that kind of stuff. Maybe it's as simple as recognizing that Mark Eden never made it in China.

72 posted on 10/28/2009 10:37:20 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

One difference in the effect of soy on Americans and Okinawans is the manner the soy is prepared. An article I read some time ago detailed the differences in how our industrial food producers process soy protein for edibility versus how traditional Asian cultures prepare soy. Soy in it’s raw form is not digestible by humans.

Needless to say our methods take short cuts. Those short cuts result in product that is less healthy than traditionally produced soy. Even traditionally produced soy has been identified as potentially stunting growth and its effects evidenced by the dramatic differences in height between Asian born and raised parents and their American born children raised on a low soy, western style diet.


73 posted on 10/28/2009 4:02:52 PM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: Flying Circus
One difference in the effect of soy on Americans and Okinawans is the manner the soy is prepared.

How does that matter exactly and what foods does it include? The most popular forms of soy in the US today are tofu, soy milk, soy sauce, miso and tempeh. Those all seem traditional to me and are similar to the most popular forms in Okinawa.

An article I read some time ago detailed the differences in how our industrial food producers process soy protein for edibility versus how traditional Asian cultures prepare soy.

What is it specifically that we're doing to the beans when processed that impacts their edibility or makes them bad for us in any way? Is it soy four, soy protein concentrates or isolated soy protein that you have a problem with? All three require different processing and have different applications.

Soy in it’s raw form is not digestible by humans

Raw soybeans can certainly be digested by humans but this is not a desirable way to consume them. There are many popular foods that people probably shouldn't eat raw. Have you ever tried to eat rice without soaking or cooking it first? Again, so what?

Needless to say our methods take short cuts. Those short cuts result in product that is less healthy than traditionally produced soy.

Huh? What shortcuts do we take and how do these shortcuts result in a product that is "less healthy" (whatever that means)?

Even traditionally produced soy has been identified as potentially stunting growth

If you look long and hard enough you can find research proving just about anything. Research showing that soy stunts growth is either bogus from the start, manipulates data for a desired outcome or deals with quantities that have no basis in real world usage. This is nonsense.

....and its effects evidenced by the dramatic differences in height between Asian born and raised parents and their American born children raised on a low soy, western style diet.

If you spend enough time on FR you'll learn that we eat a lot more soy than Asians because soy is in just about every food found in the grocery store. I don't listen to that any more than I listen to those who think there is a direct correlation between the amount of soy consumed and the average height of Asians. It's just more nonsense being fed by all the new snake oil salesmen the internet has spawned.

74 posted on 10/29/2009 12:33:09 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: DLfromthedesert
I would hope they would rather be labeled jock than faggot.

How right you are!

75 posted on 10/29/2009 7:47:41 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Where's my free house, car, etc?)
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