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Interstate Tesla Service Stations: Business Idea?
Vanity | 10-27-09 | Senseless vanity

Posted on 10/27/2009 6:26:23 AM PDT by dangus

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1 posted on 10/27/2009 6:26:23 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Do some simple calculations for yourself before you psot something silly


2 posted on 10/27/2009 6:29:36 AM PDT by Mr. K (I live in fear that one of my typos becomes a freeper catchphrase...I'm series!)
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To: dangus

It might be more efficient to build giant catapults to launch the Tesla roadster to the next (catapult) station.


3 posted on 10/27/2009 6:32:26 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dangus

I think for something like this to be profitable, there would have to be way more than a dozen or so of the cars in service.


4 posted on 10/27/2009 6:33:11 AM PDT by xjcsa (And these three remain: change, hope and government. But the greatest of these is government.)
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To: dangus

How about the Tesla tows a trailer with a generator and plenty of gas cans on it.


5 posted on 10/27/2009 6:33:26 AM PDT by cabojoe
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To: dangus
Could an 880-volt super-charger be built that could charge the Tesla in an hour

Sure, you only would need to completely redesign the Tesla to use the power plant of, say, a Japanese Bullet Train in order to handle that, but heck, if we are saying what if, why not.

6 posted on 10/27/2009 6:34:34 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: dangus

Could have timeshare cars where you don’t own the particular car but access to a pool of like cars at varous stations or bases...sort of like the old Pony Express I suppose.


7 posted on 10/27/2009 6:34:43 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (The trouble with trouble is it starts out as Utopia)
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To: dangus
Is this you?Brilliant woman solves everything
8 posted on 10/27/2009 6:35:09 AM PDT by Mr. K (I live in fear that one of my typos becomes a freeper catchphrase...I'm series!)
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To: 1rudeboy

You know what would work is if they take a Lotus Elise engine and replace the electric engine, then you could use gas anywhere you could find a station.


9 posted on 10/27/2009 6:37:26 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: dangus
Tesla Rear-Ended by Prius in Denmark, Pushed Under SUV
10 posted on 10/27/2009 6:40:05 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: dangus

Doubling the voltage may not allow you to charge it faster. If the battery recharging is current limited (as suggested by the 8-hour number), it won’t help at all.


11 posted on 10/27/2009 6:40:26 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: dangus

If it doesn’t blow up or catch fire. Wonder how much this will cost. Look at your own skyrocketing electric bill and decide for yourself. All they talk about is clean energy; not cost or safety which they know of neither.


12 posted on 10/27/2009 6:40:49 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: dangus
dangus ...

You've got to quit walking off and leaving your computer unattended. While you were gone one of your "friends" sat down and posted something to make you look stupid.

13 posted on 10/27/2009 6:41:09 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Obama has "Czars" because men with more integrity than he has still use the titles "Don" and "Capo")
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To: mnehring

LOL! That’s an excellent idea — patent it before somebody else comes up with it.


14 posted on 10/27/2009 6:42:15 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: dangus
Back in the olden days,my father and most men), would not stop for anything when traveling. There was a convenient cup in the back for bathroom breaks. We would not stop for anything. I cannot see a grown man,going on a long trip, looking fondly at stopping for an hour every so often. It would drive me crazy. Guess I inherited that.
15 posted on 10/27/2009 6:44:09 AM PDT by lynn4303
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To: expatpat
I wonder if I can get a grant from Zero to put Lotus Elise engines in Teslas? I can already picture it now, dealers selling these gasoline powered Teslas- heck might as well call it an Elise. Just imagine... imagine.. ...imagine......imagine...


16 posted on 10/27/2009 6:45:55 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: expatpat

Did you read all of what I wrote? Tesla is already introducing a 220-volt charger to cut charge time from 8 hours to 4 hours. Although I certainly suspect that the batteries would have to be configured to take faster charging.


17 posted on 10/27/2009 6:46:16 AM PDT by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: dangus
Of COURSE it's a business idea ... but I suspect NONE of this stuff ever comes to fruition without having a market sewn up.

Which means .... we ain't members of that club and will be forced to jump through more hoops than is neccesary .. ultimately keeping the 'franchise' home.

18 posted on 10/27/2009 6:47:11 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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With the stress in our culture, I’d suggest you jump
over the 880 volt charging stops and move directly to the
1760 volt stations. This way you could have the Tesla
drivers on their way in 30 minutes...

No wait. If 30 minutes is good, 15 would be better!

Make that 3520 volts! I think they make chairs of this voltage already...


19 posted on 10/27/2009 6:51:07 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mr. K

Man, that was hilarious...and yet sooo scary that there are actually people like this out there voting.


20 posted on 10/27/2009 6:51:44 AM PDT by LivingNet
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To: dangus
Of COURSE it's a business idea ... but I suspect NONE of this stuff ever comes to fruition without having a market sewn up.

Which means .... we ain't members of that club and will be forced to jump through more hoops than is neccesary .. ultimately keeping the 'franchise' home.

21 posted on 10/27/2009 6:52:02 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Mr. K

Please, oh please dear God ... do not allow that woman to reproduce.


22 posted on 10/27/2009 6:56:25 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: LivingNet
sooo scary that there are actually people like this out there voting.

Shoot, through the redistribution of intelligence program, she is able to vote three or four times.

23 posted on 10/27/2009 6:57:48 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: dangus

The US doesn’t generate enough electricity to charge any significant number of electric cars.


24 posted on 10/27/2009 7:00:31 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: dangus

I can think of nothing more fun than sitting at a rest stop for four hours after each three hours of driving.


25 posted on 10/27/2009 7:00:46 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Mr. K
Brilliant woman solves everything

That makes me laugh! ...until I realize that she can vote... then it makes me cry.

26 posted on 10/27/2009 7:01:23 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Mr. K

LOL, that is hilarious!


27 posted on 10/27/2009 7:04:30 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; dangus; knarf

This is where windmill farms come in handy along windy interstates.

Set a good batch of them spinning and charging homogenous batteries, you pull over for a battery swap-out, not a fill-up.


28 posted on 10/27/2009 7:07:42 AM PDT by txhurl (It's only a matter of time before FreeRepublic has this fraud's scalp on our lodge pole.)
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To: dangus

Your question is not totally ridiculous, although I don’t think the charging time is just a function of the voltage used. I suspect that the time required at 110 or 220 volts is related to the maximum current that can be provided at those voltages. I believe the Tesla uses lithium-ion batteries and, at least in the RC hobbyist world, these are generally considered to be able to be charged safely in a minimum of one hour. I don’t know if charging at that rate affects the lifespan of the battery. Those are also small batteries, typically of a few Amp-hours capacity at most. OTOH, let’s take a 1,000 A-h battery - to charge it in an hour would require a current of 1,000 Amps. That’s a lot of current, which would require pretty big conductors.


29 posted on 10/27/2009 7:10:18 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: txhurl

Set a good batch of them spinning and charging homogenous batteries, you pull over for a battery swap-out, not a fill-up.


There you go.... Have a small two wheel trailer with the batteries on it, pull into the swap station, unhook the trailer, hook up the new one with the charged batteries, use the rest room and on your way again... lol.


30 posted on 10/27/2009 7:12:40 AM PDT by deport
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To: Mr. K
Well you know, the land is free and except for paying, you know like, the farmers and stuff, food is free, and we all breath air and like, air is free and stuff and the rent is too high because people need shops where they can sell their stuff and vegetables. You know? Stuff should be free!

I think I got it! (and stuff)

31 posted on 10/27/2009 7:19:29 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: dangus

Depending on the option selected the “S” car may have a 320 mile range.

A network of three phase 480 Volt fast chargers would definitely provide an incentive for more people to go electric. However, you would have to consider that the cost of the fast chargers, from what I’ve read is 45K, and figure most people on most days would recharge at home at night. So, your potential market would only be the very long distance drivers, and considering the time it will take to get a large number of EV’s on the road, you may not recoup your money for the charger for years, or possibly decades, by which time the technology could have changed.

Initially, I see resturants, rest areas etc, having 220V hookups, that would let you get an extra 25-50 miles of range while you stopped for lunch etc. I think that fast charge stations are going to require investment from the car compainies that would lose money on the charger, but make money by creating a market for their electric cars.


32 posted on 10/27/2009 7:39:54 AM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: deport

It could happen.

Not with my F-250, though :(

33 posted on 10/27/2009 7:41:41 AM PDT by txhurl (It's only a matter of time before FreeRepublic has this fraud's scalp on our lodge pole.)
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To: mnehring

The Tesla is designed to accept a fast “30 minute” charge up to 80% SOC.


34 posted on 10/27/2009 7:41:43 AM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: dangus
Nice idea, but as voltages go up the protective equipment that one has to wear when working with them changes. Of course, if you don't mind wearing Class 2 or 3 Electrical PPE (rated rubber gloves (tested every 6 months) with leather overgloves, long sleeve fire retrardent shirt (11 cal/cu cm. I think), "E" rated hard hat with eye protection and face shield etc.) then you can cook up the voltage and hook up the cord.

In reality, when you go over 250 volts, things are a lot more dangerous. Putting 480V in the hands of the average motorist is like giving flares and black powder to teenagers; someone's going to get dead and that's a certainty.

35 posted on 10/27/2009 7:49:31 AM PDT by par4 (Proud new member of the racist corps)
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To: txhurl
As I recall ... slim pickens there, (or whatever that oil man's name is), is trying to sell the windmills he bought on speculation.

Apparently he's not socialist enough to grab a corner of the market.

(My apologies to Slim Pickins)

36 posted on 10/27/2009 8:09:40 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Mr. K

Bookmark for home.


37 posted on 10/27/2009 8:14:01 AM PDT by laker_dad
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To: Ditter

OMG! I just thought of a good ‘reality’ show- follow that woman around and record anything she says. I bet it would be a hoot


38 posted on 10/27/2009 8:27:00 AM PDT by Mr. K (I live in fear that one of my typos becomes a freeper catchphrase...I'm series!)
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To: dangus

Assuming the theory (”double the voltage, halve the charge time!”) is viable (*cough*), consider:

- For me, “taking the kids to gramma’s” is a 1000-mile 16-hour trip. Save maybe one sit-down meal, food is drive-thru. Ain’t nothin’ like “recharging” every 400 miles in 5 minutes flat.
- Over 220v, electricity becomes an extreme safety issue. You don’t just double voltage in a family setting. Ditto for increasing current (an issue with fast-charging capacitors).
- Difference between gas & electric: with gas, you extract energy from a stable medium as-needed in small doses; with electric, you in essence convert all that energy all at once then try to contain it. It’s hard to release all the energy from gasoline at once; it’s easy to release all the energy from batteries/capacitors all at once ... the difference makes a huge safety problem.


39 posted on 10/27/2009 8:27:42 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (End the coup!)
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To: Mr. K

I believe that’s called, “CNN.”


40 posted on 10/27/2009 8:42:55 AM PDT by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: Mr. K

What simple calculations are you referring to? Lithium batteries take 1 hour to charge. The Tesla simply uses a large array of lithium batteries. If one charge worth’s of electricity flows at 110V in 8 hours, the same amount should flow at 880V in 1 hour... providing you can safely transfer the electricity. My question, and I worded it as a question, (even adding “and this might be in the category of just plain ignorant”) was whether that could be done.


41 posted on 10/27/2009 8:47:26 AM PDT by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: ctdonath2

>> Over 220v, electricity becomes an extreme safety issue. You don’t just double voltage in a family setting. Ditto for increasing current (an issue with fast-charging capacitors). <<

So maybe Tesla needs to design a compartmentalized battery? Sorry if this is really silly, but:

If this is 110 volts,
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why can’t you do this?
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and get 440 volts?


42 posted on 10/27/2009 8:50:41 AM PDT by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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So could you have, say, four seperate power cables plugging into the Tesla?


43 posted on 10/27/2009 8:51:47 AM PDT by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: dangus

440 volts is not four 110 volts in parallel. You’re confusing current with voltage.

Let’s put my concern this way:
Would you rather be dropped on your head onto concrete from 110 inches, or from 440 inches?
For safety, let’s add a mattress in the landing zone. The 110 inches now looks survivable. That 440 inches looking any better?
Now, in this context your suggestion is like being dropped 110 inches four times.


44 posted on 10/27/2009 9:06:34 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (End the coup!)
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To: dangus

Put another way, you’re mixing up the difference between X*4 vs. X^4. (Being a bit-pusher, my electrical equations are rusty so I won’t go further.)


45 posted on 10/27/2009 9:10:27 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (End the coup!)
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To: dangus

At 880V you would exceed the insulation rating of the energized equipment and destroy it with arcing faults.

Most electrical equipment is designed to a standard 600V (rms) rating.


46 posted on 10/27/2009 9:14:24 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: dangus

Screw your ewlectric tonka toys!

If it doesn’t run on gasoline crush it!!!


47 posted on 10/27/2009 9:17:01 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: mnehring

Actually, the useful range of a gas Lotus is about the same as the Tesla. The Tesla runs out of battery charge and the Lotus needs a trip to the repair shop (usually with an electrical problem) after about the same number of miles.


48 posted on 10/27/2009 9:18:17 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ("Prosperity is just around the corner." Herbert Hoover, 1932)
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To: dangus
Four separate charging systems with all the safeties in place, sure why not? My point was that when you go over 250 volts you get into arc flash issues. You can't just plug in something with the kVa that you'd need to charge those batteries in a short time. That much current going to ground will vaporize metal, not like sticking a screwdriver across a 120V outlet, but real ionized metal, the kind that will remove body parts and cauterize the wounds instantly.

There's a reason why homeowners ahouldn't try to tie in their houses to the utility lines and they're "only" 120V each. Short out one of those lines with a screwdriver and you'll have a stubby left (if you're lucky).

49 posted on 10/27/2009 9:23:14 AM PDT by par4 (Proud new member of the racist corps)
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To: dangus

We would suggest that folks in California are already too busy driving along those hydrogen highways with their hydrogen stations that the Governator fell in love with rather than develop California boundless untouched oil reserves and allow innovation in oil on a level tax playing field with boondoggles.


50 posted on 10/27/2009 9:49:39 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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