Skip to comments.With Malice Toward Cheney
Posted on 10/27/2009 8:16:16 AM PDT by april15Bendovr
If you want to witness a massacre on television, take at look at this debate on MSNBCs Morning Joe between Joe Scarborough and Lawrence ODonnell over Dick Cheney, Iraq, and weapons of mass destruction. Scarborough uses an avalanche of facts to bury ODonnells contention that Dick Cheney lied about WMD and based the case for war on a wild guess.
In addition to all the sources Scarborough cited and who claimed Saddam Hussein possessed WMD including leading Democrats like Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, John Edwards, and more you could add the intelligence agencies of virtually every nation in the world, including those who opposed the Iraq War.
As for ODonnells assertion that none of the members of Congress Scarborough mentioned had access to the information Dick Cheney had: It is simply false. Mr. ODonnell may be unfamiliar with something called the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), which is considered the authoritative judgment of the intelligence community. The NIE that was produced in October 2002 was available to every member of Congress and among its key findings was this:
We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions. If left unchecked it probably will have a nuclear weapon within this decade.
As Factcheck.org put it, The NIE . . . says pretty much what Bush and his aides were saying about Iraqs weapons.
The Washington Post pointed out what should have been obvious to ODonnell: Congress was entitled to view the 92-page National Intelligence Estimate about Iraq before the October 2002 vote.
In addition, both the Senate Intelligence Committee, in a report adopted unanimously by both Republican and Democratic members, as well as the so-called Silberman-Robb report found (in the words of the latter), no evidence of political pressure to influence the Intelligence Communitys pre-war assessment of Iraqs weapons program.
In other words, Lawrence ODonnell is thoroughly ignorant; the charges he made were completely and demonstrably false. And they were clearly driven by malice. For Joe Scarborough to have publicly exposed such an angry ideologue was a public service. And for Lawrence ODonnell, it was a public embarrassment.
I want to keep things in Freeper history context.
Here are two video interiews from Freeper Jveritas on the topic.
Part 1 Joseph Shahda Iraqi documents
Part 2 Joseph Shahada Iraqi Documents
Cheney makes their heads explode BECAUSE HE’S RIGHT. And they know it. And they know that we know it. It drives them crazy. Hence the over-reaction.
I predict he gets a good gig on a REAL News network like FOX eventually
So what's new? He's a Democrat.
I still remember the report that right after 9-11, Putin warned Bush that Saddam was planning to support a follow-on terror attack on the US.
Pootie-Poot, Bush’s good buddy, whose soul he saw in his eyes. Either had bad intel from KGB or helped set Bush up.
The left’s revisionist history is repeated until the those defending reality tire of responding. O’Donnell has internalized the lie.
Every time a leftist says that there was no basis for the Iraq War due to WMD, he must be called a liar.
Lawrence O’Donnell is a creepy liar.
People forget the one person whose claim to possession of WMD mattered the most - Saddam Hussein.
The 911 commission ignored the Docex project. They wouldn’t know the truth about WMD if it bit them in the ass.
I wonder why the facts that saddam broke his treaty 1001 times and our aircraft were shot at in the no fly zone another 1000 times
George Will Slammed Cheney Bush the other day saying THEY should have spent more time deciding on the Iraq War....
Obama is what you get when BDS metastasizes
WMD, or not so what? islamism’s enough for me.
Though we should have taken the wahabbist saudis and their oil first.
Remember when O'Donnell went on that LIAR rant!!! LOL!! He was off any TV for MONTHS!! I think he must have been in Re-hab or something.
The Left insisted that we solve the Saddam and Iraq problems with other world leaders via the United Nations.
Yes the same organization involved in the Oil for Food scandal.
What exactly did the U.N. do to stop Saddam in the past?
Resolution 1441: United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 is a resolution by the UN Security Council, passed unanimously on November 8, 2002, offering Iraq “a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations” that had been set out in several previous resolutions (Resolution 660, Resolution 661, Resolution 678, Resolution 686, Resolution 687, Resolution 688, Resolution 707, Resolution 715, Resolution 986, and Resolution 1284), notably to provide “an accurate full, final, and complete disclosure, as required by Resolution 687 (1991), of all aspects of its programs to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles”. Resolution 1441 threatens “serious consequences” if these are not met. It reasserted demands that UN weapons inspectors should have “immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access” to sites of their choosing, in order to ascertain compliance.
A lot of resolutions with no action or consequence.
Isn’t it funny...?
When demonRATs want to villify a conservative, “WMD” suddenly only refers to nukes. I gave my students something to think about when I put the numbers killed by the plague and the flu up on the board, then the numbers killed by Saddam using chemicals, alongside the numbers killed by the bombs in Japan. I asked them, then, to consider what was USUALLY meant by a “WMD”....when it wasn’t a republican on the block, that is...
On June 9th , the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council about the export of Iraqi WMD, missile and nuclear components shipped out of Iraq before, during and after the invasion. As reported by MENL news service, UNMOVIC acting executive chairman Demetrius Perricos told the Council, "The removal of these materials from Iraq raises concerns with regard to proliferation risks," and said inspectors found Iraqi WMD and missile components shipped abroad that still contained UN inspection tags.
The World Tribune reported on Perricos's briefing. "He said the Iraqi facilities were dismantled and sent both to Europe and around the Middle East at the rate of about 1,000 tons of metal a month... The Baghdad missile site contained a range of WMD and dual-use components, UN officials said. They included missile components, reactor vessel and fermenters ... required for the production of chemical and biological warheads. 'It raises the question of what happened to the dual-use equipment, where is it now and what is it being used for,' Perricos's spokesman, said. 'You can make all kinds of pharmaceutical and medicinal products with a fermenter. You can also use it to breed anthrax.'"
As discussed in Shadow Warriors by Kenneth Timmerman, Smeshko and the other Ukrainians informed the U.S. and British governments that Iraqs WMD had been sent outside of the country with Russian assistance. The information included the dates and locations of meetings to plan the operation, and even names of the Russian Spetsnaz officers involved. Shaw also worked with a British solider of fortune who ran an intelligence network in the region, and had tracked the movement of WMDs to Syria and Lebanon. The information provided by this network substantiated the information provided by the Ukrainians. Ion Pacepa, the former head of Romanian intelligence during the Cold War, has also provided information supporting these allegations, saying he had personal knowledge of a Soviet plan called Operation Sarindar where the Russians would cleanse an ally, such as Iraq, of traces of illicit activity if threatened with Western attack. The plans purpose was to deny the West of any evidence incriminating the Russian ally, as well as to wipe Russias own fingerprints off of the states illegal activity.
Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper, head of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, said vehicle traffic photographed by U.S. spy satellites indicated that material and documents related to the arms programs were shipped to Syria."
"Last month Moshe Yaalon, who was Israel's top general at the time, said Iraq transported WMD to Syria six weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom began.
Last March, John A. Shaw, a former U.S. deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said Russian Spetsnaz units moved WMD to Syria and Lebanon's Bekaa Valley.
"While in Iraq I received information from several sources naming the exact Russian units, what they took and where they took both WMD materials and conventional explosives," Mr. Shaw told NewsMax reporter Charles Smith.
Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong was deputy commander of Central Command during Operation Iraqi Freedom. In September 2004, he told WABC radio that "I do know for a fact that some of those weapons went into Syria, Lebanon and Iran."
In January 2004, David Kay, the first head of the Iraq Survey Group which conducted the search for Saddam's WMD, told a British newspaper there was evidence unspecified materials had been moved to Syria from Iraq shortly before the war.
"We know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD program," Mr. Kay told the Sunday Telegraph.
Also that month, Nizar Nayuf, a Syrian journalist who defected to an undisclosed European country, told a Dutch newspaper he knew of three sites where Iraq's WMD was being kept. They were the town of al Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria; the Syrian air force base near the village of Tal Snan, and the city of Sjinsar on the border with Lebanon.
In an addendum to his final report last April, Charles Duelfer, who succeeded David Kay as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said he couldn't rule out a transfer of WMD from Iraq to Syria.
"There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation," Mr. Duelfer said."
"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw told an audience Saturday at a privately sponsored "Intelligence Summit" in Alexandria, Va. (www.intelligencesummit.org).
"We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons," he said. "But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD programme. Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved."
"Two days before the war, on March 17th, we saw through multiple intelligence channels - both human intelligence and technical (satellite,eavesdrop) intelligence - large caravans of people and things, including some of the top 55 Iraqis, going to Syria."
See also: What Charles Duelfer Missed
The left has become very skillful at parsing the English language for political gain. We on the right have not become very good at calling them out on it when they are being disingenuous.
Here is a great video on the History of Political Correctness that defines that process very well.
nice post thanks
I’m sure I’m just being crazy and paranoid, but when I click on that link all I get is a debate segment about health care and Harry Reid, no mention of Cheney, Iraq, Bush, WMD, etc.
It would be interesting to see what kind of info the Israeli intelligence has on the topic.
A week or so ago, Larry was badgered by Mika and Joe over Charlie Rangel. In response, Larry repeated over and over, "Charlie's a great guy."
And that is why neither Keith Olberman or Rachel Maddow ever allow a conservative, even one as weak as Scarbourough, on their shows.
Everyone also forgets that Hans Blix filed a report saying that Saddam was “in material breach” of the UN resolutions which itself was a justification for war. When I say “everyone” that includes Blix himself who came out against the war. Scumbag.
That’s all I get as well.
I have checked these links on my other computers without logging onto Freerepublic and they show up.
I have no idea why a link of Hillary shows up on anyones computer talking about health care?
That is what you see?
No, it’s Joe and Mika talking to Chuck Todd about Harry Reid and healthcare reform.
The fault must be in the Morning Joe site, which must have swapped out what you get when you go to a particular URL, and NRO still has the original URL. But I don’t see a link on the Joe site to any debate about Cheney and Lawrence O’Donnell.
Not the links in #2. The NRO link at the top of the thread.
The shoe that guy!
The debate that will never end :)
I love this one: 1992 Gore attacks first Bush for ignoring how Iraq and Saddam were cooperative with Terrorists and making WMD. HA HA.
Neither one of these bozos could ever compare to the dignified, Vice President Dick Cheney.
Neither one of these bozos could ever compare to the dignified, Vice President Dick Cheney.
LOL, the NEA-'Rats are going to be after you now. "Professionalism" etc. You're supposed to be a good little 'Rat like them.
Maybe because Total 'Rat Tool O'Donnell was humiliated and refuted.
That’s kind of what I was figuring.
The left wing mainstream media used and continues to use confirmation bias. They need to avoid anything with the appearance that could interfere with their preconceived notions and plans of promoting appeasement foreign policy or their sabotage of America