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Northwest pilots' licenses revoked; Franken calls for cockpit laptop ban
Minnesota Public Affairs News Service ^ | October 27th, 2009

Posted on 10/27/2009 8:49:18 PM PDT by presidio9

The licenses of the two Northwest Airlines pilots involved in last week's "overflying" incident were revoked today by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), a day after Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., called for a ban on using laptop computers in airline cockpits.

The San Diego-to-Minneapolis flight overshot its destination by 150 miles because the pilots were apparently online in the cockpit (though they initially told investigators that they were distracted by a "conversation") and missed the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. They didn't realize their mistake until they had reached Eau Claire, Wis., at which point they turned around and flew back to Minneapolis.

Air traffic controllers and airline officials tried repeatedly to reach the pilots without success.

On Monday, Franken publicly called for a ban on using laptops in cockpits.

"We don't tolerate texting while driving, and we're certainly not standing for it while flying," Franken thundered in a statement. "It would be unthinkable to allow a driver to use a laptop. A driver responsible for the lives of dozens, if not hundreds, of passengers needs to be that much more focused on the job."

The FAA announced the license revocations today, citing violations of a number of federal regulations, including failing to comply with air traffic control instructions and clearances and operating "carelessly and recklessly."

The pilots have 10 days to appeal the revocations to the National Transportation Safety Board.

(Franken's pronouncement settled an office bet over which of Minnesota's two senators would be the first to publicly decry the incident. But although Franken won this round, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., took up her own cudgels today against motivational speaker James Arthur Ray, who conducted a sweat lodge ceremony earlier this month in Arizona in which three people -- including a Prior Lake woman -- died.)


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 111th; airlinesafety; faa; laptops; nwa

1 posted on 10/27/2009 8:49:18 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: All

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Thank you!


2 posted on 10/27/2009 8:50:48 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR.....Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: presidio9

Franken is a chowderhead. just like the pilots


3 posted on 10/27/2009 8:50:55 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: presidio9

I think current regulations effectively ban the use of a laptop during flight in the cockpit. No new law is needed..these guys just lost their jobs, licenses and careers. They were pretty dumb. The Stews seem to always be discussing this type of things in the galley also..but haven’t seen any laptops running there.


4 posted on 10/27/2009 8:52:36 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: presidio9

Memo to Al Franken: use of laptops in cockpits is already banned.


5 posted on 10/27/2009 8:52:36 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: presidio9
Franken thundered in a statement.

Giggle.

6 posted on 10/27/2009 8:52:56 PM PDT by Big Giant Head (Running my computer bare naked for over a year with no infections at all.)
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To: presidio9
They should have just said that they were homos "engaged in an intimate moment" and all would have been excused.

(Dang, I just threw up on my boots.)

7 posted on 10/27/2009 8:53:06 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: presidio9

Is this Al first big legislative maneuver?

Way to go Minnesota! This guy is a genius! /S


8 posted on 10/27/2009 8:54:00 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: presidio9

John W calls for Franken ban.


9 posted on 10/27/2009 8:54:13 PM PDT by John W
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To: John W

**John W calls for Franken ban.**

I’d be happy with a Franken BRAIN BAN...for starters.


10 posted on 10/27/2009 8:55:07 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (I will DIE with Israel BY MY SIDE, rather than LIVE with the CHAINS of ISLAM on my Back!)
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To: presidio9

Stuart Smalley, trying to be relevant.


11 posted on 10/27/2009 8:55:25 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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To: Ramius; Oldexpat

In situations like this, it is important to resist the urge to call someone like Franken an idiot. Both of you did, of course, but you would have been right to do so. That being said, I can’t help wondering why Senator Franken assumes pilots need a laptop to take a nap in the cockpit.


12 posted on 10/27/2009 8:57:25 PM PDT by presidio9 ("All right then. I'll go to hell." -Huckleberry Finn)
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To: gwilhelm56

There is no such thing as a Franken brain......


13 posted on 10/27/2009 8:57:36 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: mylife

**Way to go Minnesota! **

They also elected JESSE “THE BODY” VENTURA for Governor... Franken was NOT a STRETCH of the Imagination.

But there IS HOPE... someone there elected Michele Bachmann


14 posted on 10/27/2009 8:57:41 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (I will DIE with Israel BY MY SIDE, rather than LIVE with the CHAINS of ISLAM on my Back!)
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To: Eagles6

You have the Dem mood correct.

Laptops bad. Laptops good.

These people are nuts. There are laws on the books for reckless endangerment


15 posted on 10/27/2009 8:58:09 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Eagles6

Watching the reaction to that would’ve been hilarious.


16 posted on 10/27/2009 8:58:26 PM PDT by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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To: presidio9

I’m so embarrassed that this man-child “”represents”” Minnesota.


17 posted on 10/27/2009 8:58:41 PM PDT by swatbuznik
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To: Big Giant Head

I had never heard of Minnesota Public Affairs News Service before, and I figured it was a lot like Pravda. On reading the article for a second time I’m wondering if it’s actually mocking the Senator.


18 posted on 10/27/2009 8:58:52 PM PDT by presidio9 ("All right then. I'll go to hell." -Huckleberry Finn)
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To: Mom MD

**There is no such thing as a Franken brain......**

Point.. game set match


19 posted on 10/27/2009 8:58:56 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (I will DIE with Israel BY MY SIDE, rather than LIVE with the CHAINS of ISLAM on my Back!)
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To: presidio9
Uh, did it ever occur to Sen. Diapers that the fact that these pilots' licenses were revoked is because the FAA already frowns upon laptops (and presumably other distractions) in the cockpit?

I am sure other pilots will look at this incident and think twice about repeating this behavior given the consequences involved.

20 posted on 10/27/2009 8:59:31 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: swatbuznik

I’d still be more embarassed about the Twins at the moment.


21 posted on 10/27/2009 9:00:17 PM PDT by presidio9 ("All right then. I'll go to hell." -Huckleberry Finn)
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To: gwilhelm56

I am convinced that Bachmann fans dont eat toxic lutefisk


22 posted on 10/27/2009 9:00:20 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: presidio9

Video games or porn? Or were they checking out Free Republic?


23 posted on 10/27/2009 9:00:52 PM PDT by stop_fascism (Georgism is Capitalism's best, last hope)
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To: presidio9
Guess I will be the only one, but I feel bad for the guys. It does not take long at all to go 150 miles in a jet traveling at high speeds.
What they did was dumb, I think they could have been furloughed for a time period, schooling on proper procedures reemphasized, etc. etc.
There is a lot of harsh punishment without loosing their jobs.
24 posted on 10/27/2009 9:03:25 PM PDT by rose
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To: presidio9; pnh102

Where is Captain Obvious when you need him?


25 posted on 10/27/2009 9:03:42 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: stop_fascism
Or were they checking out Free Republic?

That might explain why Senator Franken chose them as his first official political project.

26 posted on 10/27/2009 9:03:49 PM PDT by presidio9 ("All right then. I'll go to hell." -Huckleberry Finn)
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To: presidio9

Can you get the internet in the cockpit of a plane at 30,000 feet? If the pilots could not get on the internet, Besides watching DVD’s, what use or fun would a lap-top be to keep them so engrossed for 76 minutes?

The story still does not seem complete.


27 posted on 10/27/2009 9:08:59 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: originalbuckeye
Where is Captain Obvious when you need him?

Captain Obvious can't be making an appearance every time Senator Franken opens his mouth.

His early routine in comedy (which Jerry Seinfeld stole and perfected) consisted of pointing out the irony of everyday coincidences.

28 posted on 10/27/2009 9:10:14 PM PDT by presidio9 (I once spent a year in Philadelphia, I think it was on a Sunday -WC Fields)
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To: stop_fascism
Or were they checking out Free Republic?

losing a mere hour and a half ain't NOTHING whilst FReeping.

29 posted on 10/27/2009 9:10:22 PM PDT by digger48
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Smells funny. First the Department of Transportation doesn’t issue licsenses. Second, a 10 day letter is the most that can be delivered. it in no way suspends, removes or requires the surrender of any certificate issued by the FDOT.

Northwest Airlines has more stringent rules. If the flight crew involved has been suspended it was NWA which envoked the suspension. Not the FAA or FDOT.


30 posted on 10/27/2009 9:12:27 PM PDT by MCCC
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To: presidio9
a day after Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., called for a ban on using laptop computers in airline cockpits.

Grandstanding buffoon.

They are already banned.

31 posted on 10/27/2009 9:13:26 PM PDT by Publius6961 (…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: MCCC

You’re on the something there.


32 posted on 10/27/2009 9:19:23 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: presidio9

Sorry... BS meter is still pegged. You don’t ignore Air Traffic Control for 1.5 hours for browsing on the internet. These guys were asleep.


33 posted on 10/27/2009 9:24:34 PM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: presidio9
"Franken calls for cockpit laptop ban"

Captain ACORN is going to make an excellent dem congresscritter...he's as sharp as a marble.
34 posted on 10/27/2009 9:33:08 PM PDT by FrankR (To Congress: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10!)
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To: pgyanke

You would be correct if the airplanes were there for ATC.
ATC is there for the airplanes, not the other way around.

Regan proved it when he fired PATCO in 1982.


35 posted on 10/27/2009 9:36:44 PM PDT by MCCC
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To: presidio9

I vote to ban Al....


36 posted on 10/27/2009 9:45:06 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: PGR88
^Can you get the internet in the cockpit of a plane at 30,000 feet?^

I was wondering the same thing and was hoping someone would provide an answer.

37 posted on 10/27/2009 9:52:20 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: presidio9

Franken, you idiot!

Which would you rather have:

Pilots accessing their manuals and FAA regs with a few keystrokes on a laptop.

OR

Pilots carting stacks of binders into the cockpit and being forced to sift and flip through numerous books during an emergency.

By all means, let’s be really safe and ban laptops in the cockpit.


38 posted on 10/27/2009 9:55:18 PM PDT by anonsquared
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To: PGR88; the anti-liberal

“Can you get the internet in the cockpit of a plane at 30,000 feet?”

Nay.


39 posted on 10/27/2009 10:02:48 PM PDT by anonsquared
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To: presidio9

It must have been a real tense auction on Ebay.


40 posted on 10/27/2009 10:24:52 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: presidio9

Thank you! This post reminded me of a very important question:

What is the origin of the term “cockpit?”

Anyone?


41 posted on 10/27/2009 11:22:34 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (TIME Person Of The Year, 2006 (Look it up!).)
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To: presidio9

The senator from ACORN has spoken.


42 posted on 10/27/2009 11:28:08 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("When France chides you for appeasement, you know you're scraping bottom." --Charles Krauthammer)
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To: presidio9

My ass these guys were on their laptops, but I’ll a stew or two were.


43 posted on 10/28/2009 12:57:42 AM PDT by mapmaker77
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To: anonsquared
Airlines Rush In to WiFi

On Monday [May 11,2009], Delta Air Lines, which became the world's largest carrier after its merger last year with Northwest Airlines, announced that it has WiFi on 139 planes, or about half of its mainline domestic fleet, and will have the rest finished by September. The carrier also expects to complete outfitting all 200 jets in Northwest's domestic fleet next year.

44 posted on 10/28/2009 3:00:51 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: SaxxonWoods

“Do you like Gladiator movies, Bobby?”


45 posted on 10/28/2009 3:42:46 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Ramius

Tommy: R.T., I think I figured it out the problem. This order is going to Columbus. That’s a one-day delivery, but you’ve got it marked down for two.

R.T., Shipping Foreman: That’s because it’s going to Columbus, Georgia. Not Columbus, Ohio.
[he shows Tommy the shipping address]

R.T., Shipping Foreman: You see these letters by the city? That’s called a state. What else you got, Wonder Boy?
Tommy: Uh... that’s pretty much it for now.

R.T., Shipping Foreman: Hey, Tommy, maybe you should go back to college for another seven years and study a globe.


46 posted on 10/28/2009 4:15:24 AM PDT by Eddie01
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To: mvpel

In the cabin... cockpits are sterile except for communications with the company/dispatch.


47 posted on 10/30/2009 11:09:27 AM PDT by anonsquared
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