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Boeing talks fall apart; S.C. likely to get 787 line
Seattle Times ^ | 10/27/09 | Domonic Gates

Posted on 10/28/2009 7:04:50 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway

Discussions between the Machinists union and Boeing over the second 787 production line for Everett are effectively dead, according to a person familiar with the negotiations. Boeing now appears close to choosing Charleston, S.C., as the location of the second line. The person close to the negotiations said an announcement could come within days. Boeing management has turned down further talks over the potential 10-year no-strike agreement the company had sought, the person said. "The union wants to continue talking," said this source, who is not aligned with the union. "The Boeing Co. does not want to talk any further. "The company is fairly close to being done, if not done already," the person said. Boeing spokespeople could not be reached for comment late Tuesday.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: South Carolina; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 787; b787; boeing; boeing787; charleston; everett
The Machinists union screwed the pooch again.....
1 posted on 10/28/2009 7:04:50 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Red State wins, blue State loses!


2 posted on 10/28/2009 7:07:58 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

This is what’s so crazy about the people in Ohio, especially in Northern Ohio. They complain about all the manufacturing jobs being lost to China and Mexico, but they ignore the hundreds of thousands of jobs that have left, or will leave for Southern states that have right-to-work laws.


3 posted on 10/28/2009 7:09:00 AM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: WellyP

“U.S. Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., intervened over the weekend”....

No wonder it fell apart. Good work Libtard Patty!


4 posted on 10/28/2009 7:10:51 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Expect a renewed push for card-check. The union would have had Boeing over a barrel if Boeing didn’t have a right-to-work state to move production to.


5 posted on 10/28/2009 7:11:28 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
My guess is that within 10 years the Machinist's Union will have effectively erased any Boeing presence in the Seattle area. Sad.

The uniquely American form of a union that destroys its host company has to die.

6 posted on 10/28/2009 7:11:47 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan

Just look what the UAW did to Detroit....


7 posted on 10/28/2009 7:14:50 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I hope Ford is paying attention.

I might consider becoming a customer someday if they dropped or neutered the UAW.


8 posted on 10/28/2009 7:15:02 AM PDT by chrisser (Tweet not, lest ye a twit be.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Look for one of The Messiah’s czars to step in and mandate the Union, or, at a minimum, do “card check” in the Carolina factory.


9 posted on 10/28/2009 7:15:44 AM PDT by traditional1 ("don't gots to worry 'bout no mo'gage. Don't gots to buy no gas...Obama, he gonna take care o' me")
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To: Last Dakotan
It's been interesting to watch: every misstep the union makes, drives more of Boeing out of the region, and they continue to be completely oblivious to their errors.

You'd think that when Boeing moved their corporate offices to Chicago, the union would have stopped a second and thought, "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"

But no, those morons just keep right on pushing and poking.

10 posted on 10/28/2009 7:17:36 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: traditional1

Wouldn’t be surprised if the Machinist union bosses are not talking to a designated czar right now....


11 posted on 10/28/2009 7:18:46 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

One is hard core union, one just voted to disband the union.

Let us see which way the jobs go...


12 posted on 10/28/2009 7:20:01 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Time is money, Boeing. Just move. There's no winning with unions.

BTW, if a union has no work, can it basically dissolve?

13 posted on 10/28/2009 7:20:47 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
The top ten best made car list came out yesterday. On the list were the Ford Fusion and its Mercury cousin.
Both are assembled in Mexico.
14 posted on 10/28/2009 7:21:07 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

The stupidity of Union types never ceases to amaze me.

Union: “We’ll shut this place down.”
Company: “Okay”


15 posted on 10/28/2009 7:21:34 AM PDT by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

At the same time the whack left politicians like Patty Murray and Christine Haywire make a token appearance as if their input mattered a damn.


16 posted on 10/28/2009 7:22:17 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

These unions never, ever learn.

My sweetie (a reformed liberal in Chicago) asked me a few weeks ago the biggest difference between liberals and conservatives.

I didn’t cite the usual social issues. Rather, I said:

“Liberals are the only species of humans that cling to their lousy, failed ideas, regardless of the outcome. It matters not how many times they have failed before. Not only that, but once failure is reached, instead of lurching in a different direction....liberals ‘double down’ on their policies. Doubt me? Look at Detroit, NJ, Cleveland, and yes...even your beloved Chicago. It would be impossible to create a more dumb group of human beings if you were given full custody of a laboratory and endless DNA to work with.”

heh...and yes, we’re still together. :)


17 posted on 10/28/2009 7:22:22 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

18 posted on 10/28/2009 7:25:20 AM PDT by Dewey Revoltnow
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

nearly every new manufacturing built in America the last decade has been built in a right to work state...


19 posted on 10/28/2009 7:26:03 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
From the article:

"This economic-development package, along with the decertification of the union in North Charleston, gives the entity all the indicators they need, I hope."

Every working man and woman should jump for joy when hearing these words. Unions, in their modern incarnation, are poison.

20 posted on 10/28/2009 7:26:31 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: The Pack Knight

Does card check nullify right-to-work? If so, that’s another kick in the crotch.


21 posted on 10/28/2009 7:26:41 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Oh yeah. I grew up in Northern Ohio and live in the South now. The truth is, not everyone in the old Industrial Midwest is ignoring the jobs going to the South. That’s exactly the reason for “card-check.” Card-check is nothing other than a way to get around Taft-Hartley and destroy the right-to-work state.

Unions have created a new sectionalism in the United States. You heard some of that rhetoric last winter during the debates over the auto bailouts. Midwestern Democrats blamed opposition to the bailouts on Southern Republicans who they claimed actively wanted to bankrupt GM and Chrysler in order to help the foreign companies that build cars in non-union shops in the South.

Frankly, I think the South should be unapologetic about this. The foreign companies are bringing jobs to the South, while the Detroit companies are just taking our tax dollars while subsidizing the political activities of the unions.

If the Midwest wants their jobs back, they should think about looking at what worked for the South rather than try to use Washington to tilt the playing field back in their direction.


22 posted on 10/28/2009 7:27:47 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I guess the Union could still play the “Obama card”(?)


23 posted on 10/28/2009 7:29:33 AM PDT by The Duke ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party?")
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To: The Duke

I guess the Union could still play the “Obama card”(?)

News at eleven.....


24 posted on 10/28/2009 7:32:51 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: domenad

It doesn’t nullify right to work, but it can go a long way to making the distinction meaningless.


25 posted on 10/28/2009 7:34:41 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: domenad

I would think that card check would be a direct violation of the 10th amendment.....this would end up in court


26 posted on 10/28/2009 7:36:03 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am racist, hear me roar....I don't give a crap anymore....)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Unions want to do to Boeing what they did for the auto industry...


27 posted on 10/28/2009 7:40:36 AM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

So, my question is, will Boeing eventually move ALL commercial aircraft production to South Carolina and just be done with the IAM, altogether?


28 posted on 10/28/2009 7:45:14 AM PDT by wk4bush2004 (PALIN-BACHMANN, 2012!!!!!)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
“The Machinists union screwed the pooch again.....”

Every 4-years like clock work they shut down production due to an IAM strike. When Boeing was looking for location to build the 787 other than Washington, IAM said if you want to build it right and on time build it in Washington, and that they could be trusted on getting the job done. That promise didn't last long when IAM went out on strike again late last year putting the brakes once again on building airplanes, and causing a major slide in the delivery of the 787, which cost Boeing a fortune.
I would hate to see any part of Boeing move out of the State. My livelihood depends on them sticking around - but can you blame them?

29 posted on 10/28/2009 7:45:51 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: sionnsar

WA ping


30 posted on 10/28/2009 7:46:46 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: NavyCanDo

“when IAM went out on strike again late last year putting the brakes once again on building airplanes, and causing a major slide in the delivery of the 787, which cost Boeing a fortune.”

Not to mention that it caused huge delays in the delivery of other aircraft, which disrupted customers’ delivery plans and route additions/changes.

Boeing has had to take multi-billion-dollar charges on their financials due to things like this and it doesn’t look good.


31 posted on 10/28/2009 7:50:27 AM PDT by wk4bush2004 (PALIN-BACHMANN, 2012!!!!!)
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To: stylecouncilor

sc bump


32 posted on 10/28/2009 8:20:31 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: joe fonebone
The entire National Labor Relations Act exceeds Congress' enumerated powers and violates the 10th Amendment, but the post-1937 courts have had no problem with it.

The NLRA was repeatedly held constitutional even before Taft-Hartley, and that regime was in many ways even more onerous than what we're likely to see under card-check.

The truth is, the 10th Amendment and the doctrine of enumerated powers has been eviscerated ever since Owen Roberts' defection (under coercion by FDR) to the pro-New Deal faction of the Supreme Court in 1937. In fact, one of the very first cases after the switch upheld the NLRA, NLRB v. Jones & Laughlin Steel.

Since then, the Supreme Court has only struck down two laws for exceeding the limits of the Commerce Clause, both during the Rehnquist Court. Those were the Gun-Free School Zones Act in United States v. Lopez, and the Violence Against Women Act in United States v. Morrison. That same Court, though, upheld the application of federal drug law to purely local growing and use of medical marijuana in Gonzalez v. Raich, with Justice Scalia writing a concurrence which heavily cited the expansive New Deal cases. Only Rehnquist, Thomas, and O'Connor dissented.

The truth is, while I wholeheartedly agree that card-check is unconstitutional, I seriously doubt the Supreme Court will even hear a case on it, much less strike it down. The current court is not really much more conservative than the Rehnquist Court, and that court was only inclined (and then only with slim majorities) to strike down laws that regulated non-economic activity.
33 posted on 10/28/2009 8:29:51 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Dewey Revoltnow

Cute cartoon, but I don’t think it applies here. Homer at least recognizes when he goofs up. I don’t know if the UAW is that aware of its failures. They just blame others.


34 posted on 10/28/2009 8:31:52 AM PDT by rwa265 (Christ my Cornerstone)
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To: rwa265

D’oh! I meant Machinist’s Union.


35 posted on 10/28/2009 8:33:34 AM PDT by rwa265 (Christ my Cornerstone)
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To: rwa265

Absolutely. Most unions are congenitally incapable of taking responsibility for the damage they cause to their own interests. It’s either the fault of a greedy, oppressive management or those evil anti-union Southern Republicans.

Not only are the unions the only people allowed to look out for number one, but they think everyone else has a moral obligation to selflessly look out for the unions’ interests as well.


36 posted on 10/28/2009 8:46:22 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Will Obama allow this to happen? I wouldn’t count on it, since Obama and his thugs control the decisions as to who gets defense contracts.


37 posted on 10/28/2009 8:47:56 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

If Boeing doesn’t get the 787 flying and soon there won’t be a first production line, let alone a second.


38 posted on 10/28/2009 8:52:09 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Psycho_Bunny
But no, those morons just keep right on pushing and poking.

I can only assume they think they hold all the cards with the party they bought and paid for fully in power in Washington.

39 posted on 10/28/2009 8:56:59 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

The IMA is working hard to put themselves out of a job in WA, if that second line goes to SC it’s only a matter of time and there won’t be a Boeing in WA.


40 posted on 10/28/2009 11:00:04 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: MikeWUSAF

A union for workers at a paper plant in my area forced the company to close.

The paper plant told the workers at they would have to take a 10% pay cut or the company would be forced to shut the doors. The workers were told my the union to call the company’s bluff, and vote down the pay cut... The company closed the doors... oops!

They went from $25/hr with benefits to working in the mall or unemployed.


41 posted on 10/28/2009 11:58:26 AM PDT by bassfishing
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