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Obama redefines White House relationship with top field commander
L..A. Times ^ | 10/28/09 | Julian E. Barnes

Posted on 10/28/2009 9:41:00 AM PDT by Nachum

President Obama does not have the one-on-one relationship with Gen. McChrystal that President Bush did with Gen. Petraeus, but rather a more traditional one along the chain of command.

Reporting from Washington - President Obama and his predecessor differ significantly in their approach to America's wars. They differ at least as much in their relationship with their top battlefield commander.

During the Bush administration, Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, the then-ground commander in Iraq, assumed the role of a trusted advisor who frequently visited the White House or talked to the president by phone.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: commander; obama; redefines; relationship
I'm getting dizzy from all this spin
1 posted on 10/28/2009 9:41:01 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Yeah, they sure do differ! Bush wanted us to win!


2 posted on 10/28/2009 9:45:13 AM PDT by notaliberal (Right-wing extremist)
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To: Nachum

The Kenyan obviously doesn’t want the general to see what a dopey communist he is in person.


3 posted on 10/28/2009 9:45:16 AM PDT by y6162 (uish..)
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To: Nachum

I wish the distance between McXtal and Zero was even greater..wish Zero was back in Chicago getting paid by Rezko.


4 posted on 10/28/2009 9:45:32 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Nachum

I would consider ANY general that (in a private moment) would not admit that he/she considers Obama to be the intellectual equivalent of slime mold to be incompetent and not worthy of command.

The true indication of professionalism is that they try to obey this idiot.


5 posted on 10/28/2009 9:46:57 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Nachum
It is this way because the dumb bastard (Zero) doesn't have a clue, and won't listen to anyone who does.

Quite the opposite (and when did Kerry get his star?)

6 posted on 10/28/2009 9:48:00 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: Nachum

Doesn’t matter what his “relationship” is, he promised to listen to his generals.


7 posted on 10/28/2009 9:50:49 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Nachum

What has happened to troop deaths since this brilliant Obama strategy? We don’t really hear about it in the news anymore.

Yes, Obama doesn’t want anyone to take the spotlight away from him by having another ‘celebrity’ general. Too bad he doesn’t care about the troops. Maybe he should fly on another date with Michelle, play more golf, or have another party at the Whitehouse. I’d hate for a little thing like the lives of our troops to get in the way.


8 posted on 10/28/2009 9:51:20 AM PDT by No Socialist
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To: notaliberal

If their weren’t a buffer, McCrystal would find out what a dumbass the Zero is.

‘Where do you put the bullet’s?’ the Zero asks about an new Bullpup Assault rifle.

McCrystal replies ‘In the Butt’.

McCrystal returns two hours later and the Zero is on the floor of the oval office bleeding.


9 posted on 10/28/2009 9:51:40 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Nachum

If this story can be detached from the reality of Obama as CinC, there is nothing inherently bad about the type of relationship described in the article. Schwartzkopf dealt with POTUS through Powell and Cheney. His advice was presented and the results are history. Bush 43 and Petraeus had a relationship that was more the exception than the rule.


10 posted on 10/28/2009 9:55:59 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (atement)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Obama probably wouldn’t have any idea which way to point the weapon, nonetheless fire it.


11 posted on 10/28/2009 9:57:02 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Nachum

There is probably nothing that exposes Obamaos incompetence and unfitness to lead as the company of his generals.


12 posted on 10/28/2009 10:01:00 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Nachum
My son, Marine boy, would like to know what Petraeus’ advice would be.....he has been silent. The Military trusts him and his comments would help at this time of indecision in the WH.
13 posted on 10/28/2009 10:03:57 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Nachum
""No one wants another Petraeus," said the Defense official. "No one wants another celebrity general."

.......But the lefties were fine with celebrating Shinseki, Shakashvili, "Ashley Wilkes" and Anthony Zinni, (at least until Zinni walked off the Plantation).

14 posted on 10/28/2009 10:07:19 AM PDT by cookcounty (Obama: ---Despiser of the Honduran Constitution and contemptuous of ours.)
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To: xkaydet65

There IS something wriong with this relationship. Obama will not listen to his General’s recommendations.


15 posted on 10/28/2009 10:07:25 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Nachum

Bush was comfortable with the military. The ‘bama depises it and is probably somewhat intimidated, which he should be given the military’s opinion of him.


16 posted on 10/28/2009 10:09:12 AM PDT by Spok
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To: Nachum
Fifty-two percent of the voters in 2008 gave no thought to our military when voting for Obama. Only a dead person would have failed to see Obama was/is unfit to be CiC.

Shame, shame on you Obama voters!

17 posted on 10/28/2009 10:09:49 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: y6162
"The Kenyan obviously doesn’t want the general to see what a dopey communist he is in person. "

EGGGGG-Zactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18 posted on 10/28/2009 10:11:09 AM PDT by FrankR (To Congress: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10!)
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To: Nachum
Would love to see an article contrasting Obama relationships with Gen. McChrystal and his czars.
19 posted on 10/28/2009 10:13:53 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Nachum

Oh sure. Obama is as “traditional” as they come. ppfffttt!


20 posted on 10/28/2009 10:15:50 AM PDT by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: Nachum

“There is no division” between Obama and McChrystal, said a Defense official, one of several speaking on condition of anonymity when discussing the relationship. “It is just an absence of a relationship.”

GROAN!!


21 posted on 10/28/2009 10:17:13 AM PDT by griffin (Constitution Unchained! - krsieanforcongress.com)
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To: Oldexpat

“There is no division” between Obama and McChrystal, said a Defense official, one of several speaking on condition of anonymity when discussing the relationship. “It is just an absence of a relationship.”

I posted about this very thing earlier this week!! My post was about how Obama has no relationship with any other world leader. Sarkozy and Brown despise the Messiah, Merkel is indifferent at best, Japan has a new PM, and Putin thinks he is a wimp.

It could be said that Obama, in his 9 months in office, has not developed a relationship with ANY world leader, friend or foe. The fact the MSM does not see this is a sign that while populations of countries like the Messiah, the folks who lead those country and have acutally met the guy have found him lacking. He has dissed our allies, apologized to our enemies, and generally acted like King of the World, instead of POTUS. The chickens will come home to roost for him soon I think.


22 posted on 10/28/2009 10:20:46 AM PDT by milwguy
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To: BARLF
I will never forgive any of my relatives/former friends for selling out my son with their stupid vote for Zero. Never.
23 posted on 10/28/2009 10:21:15 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: milwguy

Maybe he should look deep into puty putin’s eyes or something, oh wait, Arnold already has a thing for him, nevermind


24 posted on 10/28/2009 10:21:55 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: milwguy
It could be said that Obama, in his 9 months in office, has not developed a relationship with ANY world leader, friend or foe.

Interesting observation. One should note that Fox News interviewed 400 Columbia students from the Obama years there, and no one could remember Obama.

So who are this man's friends?

25 posted on 10/28/2009 10:31:19 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: milwguy

> Obama has no relationship with any other world leader. Sarkozy and Brown despise the Messiah, Merkel is indifferent at best, Japan has a new PM, and Putin thinks he is a wimp.

...............

And the whole Nobel Peace Prize thing was just an attempt by the puppet masters to prop him up in the eyes of the world.

0bama wants to maintain as much distance between himself and the military leaders, so he can deny responsibility in the event that the war strategy fails.


26 posted on 10/28/2009 10:32:40 AM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: Nachum
It says a lot that this "relationship" is playing out in the press. Normally, this situation would be handled in a very private way.

It may be that Obama instinctively sees the military as his enemy. Or it may be that Obama thinks that all military issues are just political issues to be played out through his spin machine. --Or perhaps both...

27 posted on 10/28/2009 10:36:52 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: milwguy

You’re not counting Castro, Chavez, Kim...?


28 posted on 10/28/2009 10:40:11 AM PDT by KitJ (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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Short version: The Commander in Chief is not a very good commander or chief.


29 posted on 10/28/2009 10:48:17 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Senator_Blutarski
So who are this man's friends?

I'm old and have been in and around politics for 40 years. I've never seen a candidate without any family, friends, colleagues, college mates, mentors etc. in sight. Truly a lone ghost candidate.

30 posted on 10/28/2009 10:52:53 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Senator_Blutarski

So who are this man’s friends?’’

Ayers.
Dorn.
Rev Wright.
His cousin Odinga in Kenya whom he gave 1 million dollars for a campaign donation...which IIRC, is totally illegal.
Every Imam in the world.
Taliban.
Osama Bin Laden.
Soros.
ACORN.

.........


31 posted on 10/28/2009 10:53:57 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Nachum

The difference is that President Bush RESPECTED the military.

All I can do, when I hear stuff like this, is say another “thank you” to every dumbass who voted for Thug-in-Chief.

And don’t any one damn liberal tell me you “support the troops!!” Stuff it!!


32 posted on 10/28/2009 11:18:37 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Yes, it IS the end of the world.)
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To: Nachum

Obama is extremely uncomfortable around REAL men.


33 posted on 10/28/2009 11:45:47 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: originalbuckeye
God Bless you,your family and a special "Thank You" to your son for serving our great country.

I will never forgive any of my relatives/former friends for selling out my son with their stupid vote for Zero. Never.

I understand and agree with you.

34 posted on 10/28/2009 1:06:02 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: ohioman
I qualified my comment by detaching the question from Obama and looking at this sort of command relationship outside of the reality of Obama. It is entirely credible for a POTUS not to have a personal relationship with a theater commander

I can't think offhand of a recent POTUS who developed such a close relationship as Bush 43 had with Petraeus. In fact the only one that comes readily to mind is the positive relationship Jefferson Davis had with Robert E Lee, and conversely the truly negative relations he had with both Joe Johnston and Braxton Bragg.

35 posted on 10/28/2009 1:43:31 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (atement)
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To: BARLF
A quick glimpse-in 1998 I was driving a former friend back to her apartment (she's from NYC and doesn't drive) and I was lamenting the Military cuts that Clinton was making. She said ‘why do we need a Military? Who are our enemies?’ I said ‘we don't know yet who our enemies are’. Well, we found out on 9/11. This 30+ years friend, also Jewish, started in on me after Jindal’s response to Zero's speech. That was it for me. I haven't spoken to her since. I have known her since graduate school. She not only sold out my son, she sold out her faith and Israel with her vote for Zero. I doubt she gets it yet.
36 posted on 10/28/2009 2:45:27 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: BARLF

PS-My son is very proud to be serving his country. Thank you for your good wishes.


37 posted on 10/28/2009 2:46:18 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye
You're welcome dear lady.

I have had the pleasure of shaking the hand of a few of these brave warriors, thanking them in person,their reply is always"My privilege"!

38 posted on 10/28/2009 3:03:29 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: xkaydet65

I can agree with that.


39 posted on 10/29/2009 5:36:31 AM PDT by ohioman
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