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Boeing announces new 787 plant in Carolina

Posted on 10/28/2009 2:03:36 PM PDT by djf

Just announced KING5 news, waiting for link...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 787; aerospace; b787; boeing; boeing787; manufacturing; unions

1 posted on 10/28/2009 2:03:37 PM PDT by djf
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To: djf

Non Union shop.


2 posted on 10/28/2009 2:04:38 PM PDT by mortal19440
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To: djf
GREAT!

Another proud union victory!

3 posted on 10/28/2009 2:04:43 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but it they mean to have a war, let it begin here." J Parker, 1775)
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To: djf

North or South?


4 posted on 10/28/2009 2:05:35 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (I love it every time a POS dies at the hands of a victim.)
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To: djf
Not surprising. The union has been pushing them for so long. Eventually I see Boeing leaving Washington State for good. Imagine what that will do to our state's economy.

We have idiots running this state.

5 posted on 10/28/2009 2:05:47 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
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To: Redleg Duke

Apparently SC made some tax concessions that our braindead Governor Gregoire would never consider matching.


6 posted on 10/28/2009 2:06:13 PM PDT by proudpapa (Obama - Worst One Ever!)
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To: djf

The unions in Seattle shot themselves in the foot.


7 posted on 10/28/2009 2:06:13 PM PDT by NorseWood
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To: ConservativeMind

South - near Charleston


8 posted on 10/28/2009 2:06:45 PM PDT by djf (Grasshopper: The game is rigged. Patience takes forever to learn. You're so screwed!!)
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To: djf

Hey Organized Labor! Eat it!


9 posted on 10/28/2009 2:06:49 PM PDT by F. dAnconia (We say: "It is, therefore, I want it. They say: "I want it, therefore it is")
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To: djf

Smart move by Boeing. They saw how unions crippled GM and Chysler.


10 posted on 10/28/2009 2:07:23 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: djf

BWAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahaha!!!!!!


11 posted on 10/28/2009 2:07:29 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: sionnsar

No surprise Ping!


12 posted on 10/28/2009 2:08:12 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Socialism is the plundering of the productive by the unaccountable)
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To: proudpapa

“Apparently SC made some tax concessions that our braindead Governor Gregoire would never consider matching.”

The differences between NC and SC taxwise are pretty dramatic, aren’t they?


13 posted on 10/28/2009 2:08:23 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (It's better to give a Ford to the Kidney Foundation than a kidney to the Ford Foundation.)
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To: djf

From Seattle PI:

Boeing picks South Carolina for 787 line

Boeing has decided to put its second line for building the 787 will be in North Charleston, S.C., not Everett, Snohomish County Executive Aaron Reardon says.

“The decision has been reached,” Reardon told reporters in front of the Everett Machinists Hall.

Seattlepi.com photographer Josh Trujillo reported that Reardon said: “We have to move forward..there are still thousands of men and women who work for the company in this community.”

The announcement came Wednesday afternoon, ends weeks of speculation, debate and negotiation. Boeing and the Machinists union were reportedly deadlocked over a deal in which the labor group would promise not to strike should the second line be in Everett.

Workers at the South Carolina plant recently voted to remove the union from the North Charleston plant.

State lawmakers just completed an incentive package to bring the line to South Carolina.

Meanwhille, Washington state officials, including U.S. Sen. Patty Murray and Gov. Chris Gregoire, urged Boeing and the Machinists to keep talking.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/183489.asp


14 posted on 10/28/2009 2:08:39 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: djf

Good news. Hopefully the union boys in WA are out on the street like where most UAW workers will be in 2012.

Good about SC because NC is like New Jersey anymore.


15 posted on 10/28/2009 2:08:57 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: jazusamo; All

Union would not agree to a No-strike for ten years clause to keep the plants here.

The economy all over is going to hell in a handbasket and the unions couldn’t be satisfied with what they have.

Totally shot themselves, it’s their own fault. They could have had basically guaranteed employment for ten years!


16 posted on 10/28/2009 2:11:49 PM PDT by djf (Grasshopper: The game is rigged. Patience takes forever to learn. You're so screwed!!)
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To: djf

Interesting to see what the stock does tomorrow...


17 posted on 10/28/2009 2:12:11 PM PDT by demsux
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To: Vicki
Not surprising. The union has been pushing them for so long. Eventually I see Boeing leaving Washington State for good. Imagine what that will do to our state's economy. We have idiots running this state.

This would be absolutely hilarious if it wasn't so tragic for the residents of Washington State. Liberal policies strike again and Queen Fraudoire and her liberal democratic minions are still whistling past the graveyard. Total denial.

I'm waiting to see how they blame this on either GWB or the Washington State Republican party.
18 posted on 10/28/2009 2:14:43 PM PDT by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
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To: djf

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=906

Boeing press release:

SEATTLE, Oct. 28 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ — Boeing (NYSE: BA) today announced that it has chosen its North Charleston, S.C., facility as the location for a second final assembly site for the 787 Dreamliner program. Boeing evaluated criteria that were designed to find the final assembly location within the company that would best support the 787 business plan as the program increases production rates. In addition to serving as a location for final assembly of 787 Dreamliners, the facility also will have the capability to support the testing and delivery of the airplanes.

“Establishing a second 787 assembly line in Charleston will expand our production capability to meet the market demand for the airplane,” said Jim Albaugh, president and CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes. “This decision allows us to continue building on the synergies we have established in South Carolina with Boeing Charleston and Global Aeronautica,” he said, adding that this move will strengthen the company’s competitiveness and sustainability and help it grow for the long term.

Boeing Charleston performs fabrication, assembly and systems installation for the 787 aft fuselage sections. Across the street, Global Aeronautica, which is 50 percent owned by Boeing, is responsible for joining and integrating 787 fuselage sections from other structural partners.

Until the second 787 assembly line is brought on line in North Charleston, Boeing will establish transitional surge capability at its Everett, Wash., location to ensure the successful introduction of the 787-9, the first derivative model of the 787. When the second line in Charleston is up and operating, the surge capability in Everett will be phased out.

“We’re taking prudent steps to protect the interests of our customers as we introduce the 787-9 and ramp up overall production to 10 twin-aisle 787 jets per month,” said Albaugh.

“While we welcome the development of this expanded capability at Boeing Charleston, the Puget Sound region is the headquarters of Boeing Commercial Airplanes. Everett will continue to design and produce airplanes, including the 787, and there is tremendous opportunity for our current and future products here,” Albaugh emphasized. “We remain committed to Puget Sound.”

Approximately 55 airlines have ordered around 840 787 airplanes since the program was launched in 2003. The 787 family of airplanes will carry 200 to 250 passengers on flights up to 8,200 nautical miles (15,200 km). The 787 will be more efficient, quieter and have lower emissions than other airplanes while offering passengers greater comfort and the convenience of direct, nonstop flights between more cities around the world.

“The 787 will provide airlines with unprecedented operating economics and efficiencies. It also will take passengers where they want to go, when they want to go, and do it more comfortably and affordably than ever before,” Albaugh said. “This airplane will allow us to continue to set the standard for commercial aviation in the second century of flight.”


19 posted on 10/28/2009 2:15:29 PM PDT by djf (Grasshopper: The game is rigged. Patience takes forever to learn. You're so screwed!!)
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To: djf

Best decision they could have made.

FU, union thugs!


20 posted on 10/28/2009 2:15:52 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON and moderates make me PUKE!!!")
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To: copaliscrossing

Also, good for South Carolina and the workers there that had the foresight and sense to get rid of the union.


21 posted on 10/28/2009 2:15:55 PM PDT by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
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To: djf; All

You’re exactly right, the union shot themselves in the foot.

From Seattle Times:

Boeing picks Charleston for new 787 line

Seattle Times business staff

Boeing’s board has voted unanimously to build a second 787 final assembly plant in Charleston, according to a highly placed official of the Machinists union.

South Carolina offered the company $170 million in upfront grants for startup costs, plus multiple tax breaks that would be worth tens of millions of dollars more.

More at link:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/boeingaerospace/2010154610_webboeing28.html


22 posted on 10/28/2009 2:16:28 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: djf

Once this plant is up and running more and more production will be shifted there. The company will increase profits and have a loyal and productive workforce that will be more than happy with its compensation. Look how well it has worked for Michelin and BMW.


23 posted on 10/28/2009 2:19:11 PM PDT by rsobin
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To: matt1234

Not anywhere as large as Boeing,but here in Nashville the
Peterbilt company has moved to Texas.

The plant is empty and the union is still on strike.


24 posted on 10/28/2009 2:19:42 PM PDT by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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To: ConservativeMind

Expansion of the North Charelston, SC facilities

“Boeing Charleston performs fabrication, assembly and systems installation for the 787 aft fuselage sections. Across the street, Global Aeronautica, which is 50 percent owned by Boeing, is responsible for joining and integrating 787 fuselage sections from other structural partners.”

So basically, they already have a sizable presence there, but this is a major first in that they are setting up an entire commercial airline assembly line outside of Washington state from scratch.
You would think the unions would take a hint, but they never do.
I believe that after the last strike which caused a lot of flack from Boeings customers, and given the amount of orders for the 787, Boeing had to do this. Incase the unions in washington strike again, atleast the 2nd line in Charlotte, will be able to continue building 787 planes to be delivered. And I’m sure as the years go buy, Boeing will continue to expand Charleston, while shutting down WA work. And ofcourse, the unions won’t take the hint.


25 posted on 10/28/2009 2:20:22 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: copaliscrossing

A couple of years ago NASCAR wanted to build a track in Kitsap County, an hour away from the Seattle elites, but who do they interview on TV but the elites who didn’t want “rednecks” in Washington. It was rejected. It would have been a much needed boon to Kitsap’s economy.


26 posted on 10/28/2009 2:20:48 PM PDT by Citizen Soldier (Just got up from Bedroomshire)
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To: djf

FU Blue State Hippy Body Odor Stinking Washington!!!

(Bit unfair for the nomal part of Washington east of the Cascades)


27 posted on 10/28/2009 2:24:44 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: djf

I have had a lot of contact with Boeing machinists up here in Seattle.
When Boeing went through a phase in the later 1990s of downsizing its workforce, I was a teacher at a school for adults in getting certified in Microsoft OS and Networking technologies.
Boeing actually gave this morons money to go get educated in something else (union demand nodoubt). So for about 6 months, most of my classes had a few machinists in my classes. I was shocked at how many of them were barely able to keep up with even the introductry information being presented to them. And the whole time, they kept asking about if we had unions in the technology industry. I kept trying to explain to them that there wasn’t and if working in tech, they would have to be masters of their own destiny. I’d get a blank stare back.
I heard many comments about how “Well that’s just wrong, and someone should organize something.”
They sat in the back of the classes browsing the internet and never involving themselves in the classes. If the classes had been on a grading system, all of them would of been getting D’s and F’s.
And from talking to them, they believed that this was simply a temporary thing, that the union would always take care of them, and they would soon be called back to work at Boeing again. Some said they would even wait years collecting unemployement, pension, severence, etc... and knew that they would eventually get back at Boeing.


28 posted on 10/28/2009 2:43:00 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

I’m not making excuses for them.

Alot of those jobs are very specific, and highly specialized. If you’re a riveter, then thats ALL you ever do, is put rivets in metal.

I doubt your average machinist has alot of broad-based technical - engineering type knowledge.


29 posted on 10/28/2009 2:48:33 PM PDT by djf (Grasshopper: The game is rigged. Patience takes forever to learn. You're so screwed!!)
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To: NorseWood
The unions in Seattle shot themselves in the foot.

BINGO!

When they went on strike last year, just about when the s**t was about to really hit the fan, I couldn't believe it. Are these people nuts?

On Oct. 22 the Seattle Times had this article:

Secret talks have been going on for weeks in Washington, D.C., and Chicago between Boeing and the Machinists union, with top leaders negotiating over a proposed no-strike agreement that would ensure a second 787 final-assembly line goes to Everett instead of Charleston, S.C.

But less than a week ahead of a Boeing board meeting to discuss the choice, the labor talks are deadlocked and hindered by distrust on each side, according to a high-level person close to the negotiations.

It went on to say that the Union had "conditions". I guess the "conditions" were not met.

After that last strike, I remember hearing things about customers getting tired of the work stoppages at the plant. I agree with a previous poster: Boeing will not remain in the Puget Sound area.

30 posted on 10/28/2009 2:49:54 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

I have come to believe that union members don’t think they were “hired” to do a job; but, that they were “adopted” by the company.


31 posted on 10/28/2009 2:54:50 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz

Hopefully, Washingtonians will finally realize what a lame, broke-back old nag Fraudoire is and put her out to pasture... better yet, the glue factory!!


32 posted on 10/28/2009 2:55:51 PM PDT by djf (Grasshopper: The game is rigged. Patience takes forever to learn. You're so screwed!!)
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To: Citizen Soldier
A couple of years ago NASCAR wanted to build a track in Kitsap County, an hour away from the Seattle elites, but who do they interview on TV but the elites who didn’t want “rednecks” in Washington. It was rejected. It would have been a much needed boon to Kitsap’s economy.

I remember that.

I don't know how long it will take for the people of Washington State to wake up and figure out that the Democrat Party has been screwing them over for the past 30 years or so. I hate to paint the whole state with a broad brush since King County really "runs the show" electorally.
33 posted on 10/28/2009 3:06:27 PM PDT by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
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To: copaliscrossing

I visit Seattle annually (family). I would be shocked if King County ever woke up to that fact.


34 posted on 10/28/2009 3:20:25 PM PDT by jttpwalsh
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To: LibertarianLiz

“Boeing will not remain in the Puget Sound area.”

Boeing should not remain in the Puget Sound area.


35 posted on 10/28/2009 3:35:04 PM PDT by mrsloungitude (very proud mom of a marine recruit)
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To: djf
I understand this as well. But they would be very frank when asking about payrates for technology workers, and tell me how much they made at Boeing. I could not believe how massively overpaid they all were for the work they do and their massive entitlement syndrome.

I think it simply came down to this. Anytime a new plane model is about to begin assembly or the first delivery is about to occur, the unions like clock work make massive payroll and benefit increase demands, and if they don't get them, they strike. They know its the time when they will have the most power. You can set your watch to this. The strikes last year, which included the machinists and engineers, pissed off and spooked many frustrated Boeing customers. When the unions refused to a strike ban which would cover most of the years when the bulk of the current 787's on order were to be delivered, Boeing knew they needed a 2nd line in a non-union location to keep planes being delivered if the union goes on strike again. Oh and they will strike again.

36 posted on 10/28/2009 3:35:10 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: djf

They’ll just elect another just like her.


37 posted on 10/28/2009 3:36:13 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: copaliscrossing

Agree this is indeed tragic. Will these people ever wake up or is this confirmation that liberalism is a disease? I think the latter.


38 posted on 10/28/2009 5:44:23 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
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39 posted on 10/29/2009 2:14:49 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: djf

Sad for Snohomish Co, but completely predictable. Management is tasked with getting the best deal, least cost, most potential for making money for shareholders. Their choice was obvious.


40 posted on 10/29/2009 4:47:22 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: djf

No union BS to put up with, why the hell would they stay?


41 posted on 10/29/2009 7:25:53 AM PDT by Grunthor (Thank YOU George Bush, for giving us the GOP of today!)
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To: Vicki; Pride in the USA
Not surprising. The union has been pushing them for so long. Eventually I see Boeing leaving Washington State for good. Imagine what that will do to our state's economy.

It would be devastating.

42 posted on 10/29/2009 8:50:15 AM PDT by lonevoice (If Fox News is the only outlet reporting it, did it really happen?)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Just one correction- the engineers did not strike last year. They have gone on strike before, but it is a rarity.


43 posted on 10/29/2009 9:06:07 AM PDT by conservative cat (America, you have been PWNED!)
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To: conservative cat

My bad. You are correct.
But I think it was that during the machinist strike period, the engineers were starting to organize their own strike, but were able to renegotiate increases to their pay and benefits without an official strike occuring.
Historically, the engineers union, which is a much smaller group in size compared to the machinists union, haven’t gone on strike very often.
I really have to question the logic behind all this activity last year when a recession was already in full swing. They even receieved about 0 sympathy from the usually liberal anti-business,pro-union press up here. Everyone around Seattle was groaning that they were striking. I think that was the final straw which set the move to SC in motion.


44 posted on 10/29/2009 2:05:48 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: lonevoice

I remember when Garry Locke was Governor. The same “We don’t need Boeing, we are a dot.com/medical research hub! We are way to sophisticated for those hicks building planes.”
I remember the city of Chicago was shocked at the lack of effort by Seattle’s government to keep the Boeing HQ and welcomed Boeing with open arms.
So Boeing HQ moved. And the dems in Olympia farted.
Then the dot.com crash occured and Olympia got a wake up call about how important it is to have a diverse corporate environment in the state. How lucky the state was to have Boeing here.
But did the bolsheviks in Olympia learn anything from it?
Nope.
They continue to pander to the unions and take their side during any strike or labor problem. When the unions go on strike and picket in front of Boeing, the governor actually has showed up and walked the lines with them. Meanwhile, they continue to find creative ways to slap Boeing with more taxes.


45 posted on 10/29/2009 2:17:44 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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