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1 posted on 10/28/2009 7:59:46 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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2 posted on 10/28/2009 8:00:02 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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Obama signs 'hate-crimes' thought-crimes bill into law

There, fixed it. bill into law

3 posted on 10/28/2009 8:02:45 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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Of course he will do that. Is that horrific Kevin Jennings going to stay in his post? This reveals President Obama’s feelings re sex between adults and minors. Not one to protect our children.
4 posted on 10/28/2009 8:03:19 PM PDT by apocalypto
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Equal protection under the law no longer exists. If someone murders me they get maybe 10 years. If that same person, for the same reason, murders a flamboyant whachamacallit they get 30 to life. Completely unConstitutional.
6 posted on 10/28/2009 8:04:13 PM PDT by allmost
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From what I have seen of this legislation it is regarding violent crimes. The wording ‘obtain employment’ is included but doesn’t seem to be specified as a particular crime. This is their foot in the door and the cowards attached it to the defense bill.


7 posted on 10/28/2009 8:04:15 PM PDT by Blogger
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Has the Constitutionality of the hate crime concept ever been ruled on by SCOTUS?


8 posted on 10/28/2009 8:05:57 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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Now we wont be able to tell jokes without fear of persecution.

So I had better get this out of the way now.

2 lesbians and 2 gay guys check into 2 different rooms at a motel. Which “couple” is the first to check out in the
morning?

You might think the lesbians left lickety split, but it was the gay guys.

They packed each other stuff the night before.


9 posted on 10/28/2009 8:07:42 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: RobinMasters
Most Republicans

Names? Where do I find the names of "most Republicans"?

I want to call and thank them for voting against this bill.

11 posted on 10/28/2009 8:10:53 PM PDT by BARLF
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A $100 for each phoned in tip about anyone committing a hate crime. We'll get all those ba$tards!

Hoo boy. Hate crimes. America died the moment the ink dried on that bill. As Lewis Grizzard used to say, "They tore out my heart and stomped that sucker flat".

12 posted on 10/28/2009 8:19:42 PM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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To: RobinMasters

Just another bill that we’ll have to dismantle once the man is either thrown in jail or voted out.


16 posted on 10/28/2009 8:29:25 PM PDT by RowdyFFC (Nancy Pelosi...please deny her any health care....)
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To: RobinMasters

So if crazy schizoid African-American negroes, upset about not enough reparations, attack honkeys, it’s okay?

Just asking...

I’m searching for my “place” amongst “you people.”


17 posted on 10/28/2009 8:29:53 PM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: RobinMasters

Sexual Orientation (sic) would eventually include pedophiles as a privileged protected class. It will occur sooner than you think. I can see the enhanced penalties being used against a person who beats up or kills a pedophile who has made moves against a child.


19 posted on 10/28/2009 8:35:48 PM PDT by CORedneck
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Note: Photo included.

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Note: The following text is a quote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2009/10/28/about-whether-we-value-one-another

The White House Blog

“This Is About Whether We Value One Another”
Posted by Jesse Lee on October 28, 2009 at 08:23 PM EDT

President Barack Obama greets Louvon Harris, left, Betty Byrd Boatner, right, both sisters of James Byrd, Jr., and Judy Shepard, center, mother of Matthew Shepard, following his remarks on the the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act in the East Room of the White House, Oct. 28, 2009.

Today the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act became law, and the President hosted a reception to celebrate a victory decades in the making and steeped in blood and pain. Amongst those attending were the families of the victims for which the law was named, as well as civil rights community leaders. Below are the President’s remarks in full.

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you so much, everybody. Thank you so much, and welcome to the White House. There are several people here that I want to just make mention of because they helped to make today possible. We’ve got Attorney General Eric Holder. (Applause.) A champion of this legislation, and a great Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi. (Applause.) My dear friend, senior Senator from the great state of Illinois, Dick Durbin. (Applause.) The outstanding Chairman of Armed Services, Carl Levin. (Applause.) Senator Arlen Specter. (Applause.) Chairman of the Judiciary Committee in the House, Representative John Conyers. (Applause.) Representative Barney Frank. (Applause.) Representative Tammy Baldwin. (Applause.) Representative Jerry Nadler. (Applause.) Representative Jared Polis. (Applause.) All the members of Congress who are here today, we thank you.

Mr. David Bohnett and Mr. Tom Gregory and the David Bohnett Foundation — they are partners for this reception. Thank you so much, guys, for helping to host this. (Applause.)

And finally, and most importantly, because these were really the spearheads of this effort — Denis, Judy, and Logan Shepard. (Applause.) As well as Betty Byrd Boatner and Louvon Harris — sisters of James Byrd, Jr. (Applause.)

To all the activists, all the organizers, all the people who helped make this day happen, thank you for your years of advocacy and activism, pushing and protesting that made this victory possible. You know, as a nation we’ve come far on the journey towards a more perfect union. And today, we’ve taken another step forward. This afternoon, I signed into law the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act. (Applause.)

This is the culmination of a struggle that has lasted more than a decade. Time and again, we faced opposition. Time and again, the measure was defeated or delayed. Time and again we’ve been reminded of the difficulty of building a nation in which we’re all free to live and love as we see fit. But the cause endured and the struggle continued, waged by the family of Matthew Shepard, by the family of James Byrd, by folks who held vigils and led marches, by those who rallied and organized and refused to give up, by the late Senator Ted Kennedy who fought so hard for this legislation — (applause) — and all who toiled for years to reach this day.

You understood that we must stand against crimes that are meant not only to break bones, but to break spirits — not only to inflict harm, but to instill fear. You understand that the rights afforded every citizen under our Constitution mean nothing if we do not protect those rights — both from unjust laws and violent acts. And you understand how necessary this law continues to be.

In the most recent year for which we have data, the FBI reported roughly 7,600 hate crimes in this country. Over the past 10 years, there were more than 12,000 reported hate crimes based on sexual orientation alone. And we will never know how many incidents were never reported at all.

And that’s why, through this law, we will strengthen the protections against crimes based on the color of your skin, the faith in your heart, or the place of your birth. We will finally add federal protections against crimes based on gender, disability, gender identity, or sexual orientation. (Applause.) And prosecutors will have new tools to work with states in order to prosecute to the fullest those who would perpetrate such crimes. Because no one in America should ever be afraid to walk down the street holding the hands of the person they love. No one in America should be forced to look over their shoulder because of who they are or because they live with a disability.

At root, this isn’t just about our laws; this is about who we are as a people. This is about whether we value one another — whether we embrace our differences, rather than allowing them to become a source of animus. It’s hard for any of us to imagine the mind-set of someone who would kidnap a young man and beat him to within an inch of his life, tie him to a fence, and leave him for dead. It’s hard for any of us to imagine the twisted mentality of those who’d offer a neighbor a ride home, attack him, chain him to the back of a truck, and drag him for miles until he finally died.

But we sense where such cruelty begins: the moment we fail to see in another our common humanity — the very moment when we fail to recognize in a person the same fears and hopes, the same passions and imperfections, the same dreams that we all share.

We have for centuries strived to live up to our founding ideal, of a nation where all are free and equal and able to pursue their own version of happiness. Through conflict and tumult, through the morass of hatred and prejudice, through periods of division and discord we have endured and grown stronger and fairer and freer. And at every turn, we’ve made progress not only by changing laws but by changing hearts, by our willingness to walk in another’s shoes, by our capacity to love and accept even in the face of rage and bigotry. In April of 1968, just one week after the assassination of Martin Luther King, as our nation mourned in grief and shuddered in anger, President Lyndon Johnson signed landmark civil rights legislation. This was the first time we enshrined into law federal protections against crimes motivated by religious or racial hatred — the law on which we build today.

As he signed his name, at a difficult moment for our country, President Johnson said that through this law “the bells of freedom ring out a little louder.” That is the promise of America. Over the sounds of hatred and chaos, over the din of grief and anger, we can still hear those ideals — even when they are faint, even when some would try to drown them out. At our best we seek to make sure those ideals can be heard and felt by Americans everywhere. And that work did not end in 1968. It certainly does not end today. But because of the efforts of the folks in this room — particularly those family members who are standing behind me — we can be proud that that bell rings even louder now and each day grows louder still. So thank you very much. God bless you and God bless the United States of America. (Applause.)


20 posted on 10/28/2009 8:37:07 PM PDT by Cindy
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IIRC, under plain ol’ Texas justice, two of James Byrd’s got the death penalty, and the last LWOP. This bill isn’t about punishing crime; it’s pork seasoned with thought control.


32 posted on 10/28/2009 9:01:15 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("When France chides you for appeasement, you know you're scraping bottom." --Charles Krauthammer)
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Posting on FreeRepublic is now a "hate crime." As felons, we must all surrender our weapons...

HA!

33 posted on 10/28/2009 9:01:48 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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The American people are so happy now that “hate” has been outlawed. The fools haven’t a clue what this means.


34 posted on 10/28/2009 9:02:00 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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http://www.aclj.org/LegislativeAlert/Read.aspx?GUID=5bcb38c7-4c36-4f1a-9ec4-aa259deb20d5

“Are Pastors at Risk With Hate Crime Legislation?”

SNIPPET: “As we’ve reported to you in the past, the concept of hate crimes legislation is problematic because it creates separate classes of victims. This legislation would make it a more severe crime to commit a violent act against a homosexual than to commit a violent act against a senior citizen, a mother, or countless other classes that could be viewed as meriting special protection. Rather than prosecuting all crimes equally, this legislation would create a special victim class based on “sexual orientation” and “gender identity.”

This becomes even more problematic when you consider the chilling effect that it could have on religious speech. For example, it is conceivable that a pastor preaching on the Biblical perspective on homosexuality could face charges if someone who hears that sermon commits a violent act. While we firmly believe that the pastor’s First Amendment protections would ultimately prevail, this legislation could put the pastor’s constitutionally-protected speech under a legal microscope.

Fortunately, there was language included in the legislation that provides some solid statutory protection for religious speech.”

SNIPPET: “As always, we will vigorously defend the constitutional right of our religious leaders to speak freely about the tenets of their faith.”

Posted: 10/23/2009 12:01 AM


37 posted on 10/28/2009 9:07:13 PM PDT by Cindy
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Serious questions.
If any part of a bill is found unconstitutional, does it invalidate the entire bill?

Second, who has standing to challenge the constitutionality of the bill before it is applied to those who can least defend themselves?

Is the ACLU at all interested in challenging this law? Anyone?

39 posted on 10/28/2009 9:15:05 PM PDT by Publius6961 (…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: RobinMasters; Cindy; Fred Nerks

Thanks for the post RM and your contributions Cindy.

The link below to Fred Nerks’ post of Linda Kimball’s outstanding article adds important background information to this thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2371569/posts


41 posted on 10/28/2009 9:48:09 PM PDT by PGalt
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"Sen. Ted Kennedy who fought so hard for this legislation."

Teddy just chappaquiddicked us all.

42 posted on 10/28/2009 9:53:15 PM PDT by DannyTN
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