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Mother facing prosecution 'for asking for ethnic hospital staff to be removed from birthing room'
Daily Mail ^ | October 29, 2009 | Andrew Levy

Posted on 10/28/2009 10:56:09 PM PDT by bogusname

A mother is facing action under race discrimination laws after objecting to ethnic minority hospital staff being present at the birth of her child. The woman was about to undergo a caesarean section when she made her demand. It was not clear yesterday whether she was referring to black employees, those of Asian origin, or any other staff working at Milton Keynes Hospital in Buckinghamshire. But an insider said: ‘The mother objected to one type of ethnic minority members of staff being there.’ The woman, who was accompanied by her partner for the delivery earlier this month, gave birth to a healthy child.

The hospital yesterday claimed the woman’s demands were dismissed and the delivery was overseen by a team that was ‘not all-white’ ...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: discrimination; prosecution; race

1 posted on 10/28/2009 10:56:12 PM PDT by bogusname
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To: bogusname
Well, theres nothing wrong with her being given the slap-up for this strop she seems to have thrown... if the staff is qualified, and has done nothing to merit removal, I see no reason why a patient should start disrupting and dictating hospital room staffing for procedures.

Each procedure is supposed to be adequately staffed with a certain number of qualified professionals attending. Hospitals dont have an endless supply of attendants at the beck and call of patients, for their pleasure. She’s lucky the doctor didnt get immediately and extremely angry with her.

2 posted on 10/28/2009 11:01:47 PM PDT by ketelone
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To: ketelone

I can understand dismissing her demands, but to prosecute her is the action of a totalitarian state.


3 posted on 10/28/2009 11:04:24 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (A trade: Conservative Anglicans for Liberal Catholics and a heretic to be named later.)
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To: ketelone

Yes but what about the catastrophic consequence of someone of a certain color seeing her whooptie doo?


4 posted on 10/28/2009 11:07:47 PM PDT by bogusname (Banish All Lliberals)
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To: ketelone

That is weird and unhelpful, to put it mildly, when she is on the verge of a surgery. Not the time to have “issues”. If they are qualified AND SPEAK ENGLISH, in England, I would have no problem with an “ethnic” staff. Sounds like she might have a hang-up.


5 posted on 10/28/2009 11:11:29 PM PDT by GnuHere
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To: Jeff Chandler

I should have added to my post below yours, I also don’t think she should be charged with anything, other than possibly being a loon.


6 posted on 10/28/2009 11:13:29 PM PDT by GnuHere
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To: bogusname

I would say that if an individual in the US is paying their own insurance then they should have the right to ask for medical staff of their own color.

But if an individual is using taxpayer funds, I would say that right is gone as other races pay taxes too. Then you would be using money partly paid by minorities to discriminate against minorities.

Of course in England, this is probably a govt. hospital and govt. employees getting paid with taxpayer money so I think the woman is wrong here.


7 posted on 10/28/2009 11:13:47 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: bogusname

Well, unless she got a C-Section, I would consider her not responsible for her actions.


8 posted on 10/28/2009 11:15:08 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

I can understand ignoring her but prosecuting her? That is just nuts. Everyone knows that pregnant and in labor females are not in their right freaking minds. Everyone needs to take a step back.

This is like prosecuting a 6 year old boy for bring a boyscout tool to school.

Logic should prevail. No longer in a socialist society. A true 1984 world is here.


9 posted on 10/28/2009 11:18:50 PM PDT by Gurgi
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To: bogusname

Maybe, she read how ‘some’ groups do a little selective surgery on women?


10 posted on 10/28/2009 11:35:41 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: Krodg

LOL Possbly


11 posted on 10/28/2009 11:37:25 PM PDT by bogusname (Banish All Lliberals)
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To: bogusname

I would never argue with a woman in that situation.


12 posted on 10/28/2009 11:41:49 PM PDT by allmost
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To: microgood

Exactly. Lots of things get said during labor that require a thick skin.


13 posted on 10/28/2009 11:43:19 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: bogusname

They should have made her deliver her own baby.


14 posted on 10/28/2009 11:43:21 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: allmost

ROTFL Oh My, that was funny. You sound very fair and very wise.


15 posted on 10/28/2009 11:43:23 PM PDT by bogusname (Banish All Lliberals)
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To: Krodg

Maybe she read how ‘some groups’ refuse to correctly scrub for surgical procedures because it would mean revealing their arms and that would be against their religion?

http://tinyurl.com/384lat

Hmmm. What religion would THAT be, I wonder?


16 posted on 10/28/2009 11:46:10 PM PDT by Dinah Lord
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To: trumandogz

Oh? Put her life at risk because she wanted to choose which medical staff were present?


17 posted on 10/28/2009 11:46:20 PM PDT by bogusname (Banish All Lliberals)
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To: Gurgi

Well hold on there friend, common sense and logic should prevail; now we have to keep in mind that in 2009, England and dealing with Euro-trash absolutely nullifies any consideration of normality, except “Political Corruption.” However, if a Government sponsored facility, and she was in labor or the moment of stress we can’t have the offended of the Clown Universe being offended without a good example of discipline for all to see in the cosmos. /sarc


18 posted on 10/29/2009 12:02:18 AM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: bogusname

It would appear that all the professional staff in the delivery room were qualified to conduct their jobs. Moreover, those staff are not white, not black, not Asian, but rather a Team of Medical Professionals and lashing out against one or two members of that team is the same as lashing out at the entire team.


19 posted on 10/29/2009 12:03:54 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Jeff Chandler
But, this happened in England, so even in a hospital room she was a “subject”.

In the US, she should, at least so far, have some rights to select caregivers and participants. At least, I have recently decided who would provide the personal care my Doctor ordered.

20 posted on 10/29/2009 12:08:32 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: staytrue

Sorry. I didn’t read down far enough before I posted some of my recent experience.


21 posted on 10/29/2009 12:11:51 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: bogusname

I know I wouldn’t want a Muslim involved in the delivery of one of my kids. Not because of race, or even that they are a different religion than mine. But because of what their specific religion teaches about the “infidel”. It’s a trust factor.


22 posted on 10/29/2009 12:12:16 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

In my opinion there are several good reasons not to have a muslim in the delivery room.


23 posted on 10/29/2009 12:14:31 AM PDT by bogusname (Banish All Lliberals)
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To: bogusname
In my opinion there are several good reasons not to have a muslim in the country.
24 posted on 10/29/2009 12:22:50 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: tdscpa

LOL Amen!


25 posted on 10/29/2009 12:26:32 AM PDT by bogusname (Banish All Lliberals)
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To: bogusname
I had a very unpleasant experience with a recent admission to a hospital. The medications given caused frequent trips to the bathroom. With the use of only one arm, (the other arm was stearing an IV pole) I needed help in the bathroom, and the only nurse's aids I had were MALE...sorry, but what the hell has happened to the availability of female nurse's aids in hospitals (also known as Patient Service Aids)? Female nurses/nurse's aids YES! Males NO! IMHO.
26 posted on 10/29/2009 12:44:24 AM PDT by itssme
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To: itssme

Many male patients might prefer a male aide so it works for them. But you can always ask if someone of the same sex is available and the hospital should accomodate if feasible.


27 posted on 10/29/2009 12:50:24 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: DannyTN

I wouldn’t want a devout Muslim to operate on me...they won’t use alcohol to scrub down, they regard us as infidels, and I would want them to leave.

Ed


28 posted on 10/29/2009 1:01:29 AM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: itssme

Well, I just happen to agree with you.


29 posted on 10/29/2009 1:02:02 AM PDT by bogusname (Banish All Lliberals)
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To: trumandogz
The NHS has lost control of its hospitals. Asian women refusing to wash hands and wear gloves due to 'religious reasons' is one source of MRSA and other hospital contagions.

You can bet your bottom dollar that if Mrs. Mohammed asks for all christians to leave the room for her birthing of her 21st welfare recipient child that her wishes would be respected.

30 posted on 10/29/2009 2:45:43 AM PDT by x_plus_one (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: x_plus_one

What in the world are you talking about? Noone who doesnt wash hands in a hospital would be allowed to work there for the time it takes for a lightning bolt to cross the sky.

Please, Im sure you have many good points to make, but dont make stuff up.


31 posted on 10/29/2009 4:38:44 AM PDT by ketelone
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To: staytrue

Oh really? How exactly does paying your insurance qualify you to demand hospital staff of your own color? I would say, yes, if youre rich enough to own your own hospital, then go ahead, and use the staff you want. Until then, stop inconveniencing people who are also doing their jobs, with your idiotic demands. After all, tomorrow if I walked into a store, and said “I only want to be served by a white clerk cuz Im paying with my own 15$, and not food stamps”, well, I dont think Id get much service.


32 posted on 10/29/2009 4:40:47 AM PDT by ketelone
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To: allmost
I would never argue with a woman in that situation.

I agree with that statement 100000000%.

33 posted on 10/29/2009 6:41:04 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Jimmy Carter - now the second worst POTUS ever. BHO [the LIAR] has #1 spot in his sights.)
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To: ketelone

If you are paying, I think you get to chose. If someone else is paying you don’t.

If you want to buy a car from a white salesman and you are paying, you get to chose. If the welfare dept. is paying for you car, you don’t.


34 posted on 10/29/2009 8:33:54 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: heartwood
If only that were possible...short staffing being what it is, choices are not an option...the staff was harried to the point where they just ran into your room and ran out afterward...not good. I use to work at this hospital at a time when they were rated A-1, and it doesn't bode well for future admissions.
35 posted on 10/29/2009 9:11:50 AM PDT by itssme
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To: itssme

I asked not to have a male nurse three years ago and was accomodated.


36 posted on 10/29/2009 9:17:57 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: ketelone

In England some Muslim women doctors and nurses are arguing for the right to keep their sleeves to their wrists. Other Muslims do not want to use alcohol gel.

In this country I’ve seen lots of personnel not wash their hands - from haste, not because they refuse or don’t know better.


37 posted on 10/29/2009 9:20:24 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: bogusname

I bet that person who was asked to leave was a Muslim and the lady never said “all white”


38 posted on 10/29/2009 9:26:03 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: ketelone
Perhaps this detachment from the kuffar (non-muslim) patients explains why a male muslim nurse could be so callous as to leave a dying patient covered in his own vomit for hours. Looks like Muhammed Shakeel had other priorities. I wonder if the dying man had MRSA?

Then we find recalcitrant female muslim medical students who snubbed hospital cleanliness procedures:

"Medics in hospitals in at least three major English cities have refused to follow the regulations aimed at helping tackle superbugs because of their faith, it has been revealed."

"But female Muslim students training in hospitals in England have refused to implement the directive because Islam forbids women exposing more than their hands and face in public." LINK

They have threatened to leave their studies if forced to comply - I say GOOD RIDDANCE!

No surprise that these female students were backed up by the Islamic Medical Association.

One hospital - whose adminstrator clearly still possesses a backbone - recently fired a female muslim radiographer who pulled the "don't want to roll up my sleeves" nonsense. (Didn't these people receive proper training in washing hands and cleanliness around patients when in training PRIOR to choosing a career in medicine?)

"The radiographer was told by managers at the Royal Berkshire Hospital in Reading that she must either follow the national dress code designed to combat superbugs and roll her sleeves up, or leave. "

This woman - who supposedly feels so strongly about her religious beliefs - yet doesn't want to be identified - has vowed to campaign against the NHS's "bare below the elbows" policy.

"The woman, who did not want to be identified, said she wants to "prevent the policy from being universally applied, so other Muslim women do not experience the same trauma."

Something tells me she's a far less traumatised then the patient who is dying from MRSA infection complications. More likely than not she's looking for some financial compensation to assuage her "trauma".

Now comes a report that muslim doctors and nurses are refusing to use alcohol based gels to combat the fast spreading swine flu.

"Some Muslims have refused to use alcohol-based hand gels to combat the spread of swine flu because they claim it is against their religion."

Of course these dhimmified hospital officials - you know the people I mean - the ones who are supposed to oversee the medical staff and ensure the hygenic rules are being followed - after some teech-chattering, nail-biting and knee-knocking at the thought of offending muslims - have allowed muslim medical staff to use the far less effective non-alcohol based gels.

Clearly the attitude is "to hell with the patients - muslim sensitivities come first!"

It is interesting to note how the muslims exhibit a complete lack of concern about risks to patient's health and the spread of the superbugs when it suits muslim "religious" needs to avoid the rules of hygiene ----- yet will use 'concern' for patient's healthcare issues to justify the wearing of muslim clothing - in this case the hijab - while working in a surgical setting.

"Hospitals should allow Muslim women to wear a "theatre hijaab" in surgical environments, doctors have heard.....Ms Talukdar, 25, said the hijaab would be made from sterile material so it was completely risk-free to the patient. "We are very aware that MRSA and infection is a concern. We do not want to put patients at risk.""

39 posted on 10/29/2009 3:46:05 PM PDT by x_plus_one (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: staytrue

Sure. But thats when youre doing the chosing. You dont walk into a store and say, “Throw this salesman out, because he’s XYZ race”. At most, you can exercise your choice to just not go to that store. In my opinion, thats where your choice ends. You cant start dictating staffing policy to a store, once youve decided to buy from it. Thats like having your cake and eating it too. And lets be honest, for 15 bucks, no store is going to set about changing its labor policies.


40 posted on 10/29/2009 9:43:51 PM PDT by ketelone
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To: x_plus_one

Ok, this story is just whack. If its true, I cant understand what is wrong with the UK.

1. I can only imagine that this must be a very small percentage of staff, or an uproar would have ensued.

2. Why would they even CONSIDER working around this, instead of firing any such staff right away?

3. Why did they LET these people IN to their country?

4. Seriously. Are they nuts?


41 posted on 10/29/2009 9:50:18 PM PDT by ketelone
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To: ketelone
The same thing is coming soon to our country too.

In keeping with instituting Obama's US MUSLIM ENGAGEMENT, a charter of dhimmitude, we are to be conditioned to respect Muslim immigrants and accept their culture.

President Hussein is more than comfortable with this deal with the devil as he seeks to institute an Islamo-Christian ethic, destroying the very foundation of this great country. Never mind that Muslims go after and annihilate the Christians in every country they finally dominate. This is of no import.

America only has to look to Europe to see the devastating consequences of what is proposed in the implementation of the US Muslim Engagement.

42 posted on 10/30/2009 12:46:34 AM PDT by x_plus_one (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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