Posted on 10/29/2009 12:36:57 PM PDT by Nachum
(CNSNews.com) – White House Spokesman Robert Gibbs told CNSNews.com on Wednesday that there is no "veracity" to the argument that the U.S. Constitution does not authorize the federal government to force individuals to buy health insurance.
The Congressional Budget Office has said that the federal government has never before in American history forced Americans to purchase any good or service.
When the health-care bill was being debated in the Senate Finance Committee, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, raised questions about the constitutionality of forcing Americans to buy health insurance, which all congressional versions of the health care bill would do.
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Social Security is optional?
I hate when they use negatives like that.
“No Veracity to the argument that it’s not authorized”...
Means, it is authorized, and there is no argument. At least from this clown. I suppose they are somehow going to claim the commerce clause gives them this authority.
All sorts of garbage is authorized. The IRS (the enforcement arm of BarryCare) is basically going to run our lives.
Actually it is. Congressman and Senators aren’t required to have it. And for many years federal employees had a different plan all together
Baghdad Bob spouting off again.
“Social Security is optional?”
One does not buy Social Security. It is a tax, first, then a subsidy, paid for by other people’s taxes, later.
The government will gently encourage everybody to select the government option by first driving all others out of business by low balling current health insurance rates. The people will select the cheaper option thus destroying the current free enterprise based health care system. Then our Marxist politicians will have power.
Of course our health care will then degrade to Cuba's or Canada's or Great Britain's and other socialist government health care systems. Taxes will increase. Incentive to excel will diminish or disappear. The once excellent world class health care system will be gone. Welcome to the Socialist Republic of the former USA.
While I would not use the word “veracity” -— I do believe that under our current system, the 0 only has to convince a majority of the 9 members of the SCOTUS, and he can do as he pleases. And logically, if the govt has the power to compel some citizens to serve others (as in emergency rooms), it has the power to compel others to pay them. Or if it’s permitted to take money from a taxpayer and give it to a non-taxpayer, in the form of assistance or services, it’s permitted to take MORE.
In short, the SCOTUS will back him up.
WASS.
I would have to back and find a source to be sure, but I seem to recall it was the CBO who said it was unconstitutional during the big hillarycare debate. Why wouldn’t it be now??
I work for a staunch Marxist. He cannot wait for BOs healthcare plan to be realized so he can stop paying for our health insurance.
Lincoln did away with slavery..... obama is he douple l bent on bringing it back! Only this time, he and his lib cohorts want to enslave the entire nation. Put us all under the Gov plantation control.
Back when I worked for the state here in Ohio it wasn’t taken out. We had our own plan.
Very interesting. I didn't follow politics much in the early 90s. I was too busy working. I don't remember much about those discussions.
It's be nice if someone had a Lexus-Nexus account who could research that some.
Let these grounds be his Waterloo.
Let's assume Congress passes a law that says all food must be bought only with government gruel coupons. You must buy these from the government to get food. You then take your government coupon down to the local gruel dealer and get your rations.
Come to think of it, there was a sci-fiction movie about just this — Soylent Green
And who thinks this is Constitutional? Just substitute government rationed healthcare for government rationed food and you find ... Yep it's unconstitutional.
Here is a link to a 1994 CBO study which says just this about the individual mandate to buy something from the government as a citizen, well it says it has never been done before in American history. My guess is that was their polite way of saying it is unconstitutional.
And about those medical records we are supposed to turn over top the government. And how does this square with the 4th Amendment? More Constitutional scholars are now saying it's not Constitutional, neither the plan, nor the medical records part.
Well it certainly seems unconstitutional to me. Perhaps this thing will be challenged immediately should it pass.
Yes it would. I have not been reading much about the clinton-obama comparisons, but I seem to remember recently, either Sean or Rush mentioning it as one of the main things that did in hillarycare.
Boy is he going to be surprised!`
How long before owners of foreign cars are taxed for not buying from GM?
These pols have lied so much, they probably do not know truth when it hits them in the face.
How long before blood runs in the streets?
"In 1994, when the Clinton administration attempted to push a health care reform plan through a Democratic Congress that also mandated every American buy health insurance, the Congressional Budget Office determined that the government had never ordered Americans to buy anything."
“The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States,” the CBO analysis said.“ An individual mandate would have two features that, in combination, would make it unique. First, it would impose a duty on individuals as members of society. Second, it would require people to purchase a specific service that would be heavily regulated by the federal government.”
The bottom line is that both the First and Second requirements in the above are tantamount to Slavery. Do you seriously think that the United States Supreme Court would reinstate slavery?
Do you really need an answer to that question?
Yes it is!
I absolutely do think so. Most people won't object very vigorously; they are already slaves in spirit. Besides, the Court will not call it slavery. Are you going to haul them out and apply the tar, or the feathers? Are you going to fire back at the swat teams? Withhold your taxes? Leave the country? Impeach the justices?
What is to stop them? Email?
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus
Sure, what's good for the gander.... are you some kind of sissy?
I do ok for a lady. No weightlifting, no needlepoint. I go once a day. How 'bout you?
Nah, more likely that "General Welfare" business...
Regards,
GtG
Good to hear about your good health. It would seem that you will not be stepping up to the trough to partake of the governments generosity.
Correct! God’s been generous with me. I will post your bail if we are in the same riot someday! ;)
Railroad employees also have a separate government administered pension plan.
Regards,
GtG
But Gibbs said those who make this kind of argument have no federal court cases to back them up.
“I won’t be confused as a constitutional scholar, but I don’t believe there’s a lot of—I don’t believe there’s a lot of case law that would demonstrate the veracity of what they’re commentating on,” said Gibbs.
Notice the mind set - everything is allowed unless there is case law to specifically prohibit it.
This is their attempt to shift the terms of the debate from (show me where the Constitution allows it) to (show me where case law prohibits us from doing it).
Leftists do this all the time, and they are good at it.
The constitution doesn’t mean jack. The pols will do what ever they like and if the people don’t like it ...so what? The pols understand that very well.
“The White House says...”
“The White House says...”
“Robert Gibbs says...”
“Nobama says...”
They are all liars.
SHOW ME EXACTLY where in the Constitution that it says they can force me to buy this mess of Congressional lies.
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