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9 missing after collision of Coast Guard C-130 and Marine Cobra helicopter
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Posted on 10/29/2009 10:22:08 PM PDT by VRWCTexan

BreakingNews San Diego media: 9 missing after collision of Coast Guard C-130 and Marine Cobra helicopter off the SD coast. BNO News working to confirm.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aerospace; coastguard; cobra; crash; helicopter; marines; missing; navair; navy; sandiego; socal; uscg; usmc
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1 posted on 10/29/2009 10:22:08 PM PDT by VRWCTexan
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To: Kathy in Alaska

Praying


2 posted on 10/29/2009 10:23:06 PM PDT by amom
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To: VRWCTexan

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Marine-Helicopter-And-Coast-Guard-Plane-Collide/lF0CO2r6102_ENGYVZcrwA.cspx

SAN DIEGO - The Coast Guard and Navy are responding to a mid-air collision between a Department of Defense helicopter and a Coast Guard airplane 15 miles east of San Clemente Island, Calif., Thursday evening.
At 7:10 p.m. the Navy reported to the Coast Guard that they observed what appeared to be a mid-air collision in the vicinity of San Clemente Island.

The Coast Guard responded by sending three Coast Guard cutters, and diverting an MH-60 Jayhawk helicopter to the area to search for survivors. The Navy sent four vessels and multiple helicopters to aid in the search.

The Coast Guard and Navy are actively searching for survivors at this time

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Pray


3 posted on 10/29/2009 10:23:57 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (Obama-scare is the "real" Cash for Clunker Program!)
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To: VRWCTexan

Prayers for all concerned.


4 posted on 10/29/2009 10:24:20 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: VRWCTexan
"Coast Guard C-130 and Marine Cobra helicopter"

How does that happen. What kind of exercise puts those two aircraft, an attack helicopter and a long range surveillance plane, it such close proximity?

5 posted on 10/29/2009 10:25:32 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: OldDeckHand

I was going to ask the same question


6 posted on 10/29/2009 10:27:01 PM PDT by SideoutFred (B.O. Stinks...it really does)
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To: VRWCTexan

Prayers!!! Prayers!!!! Prayers!!!!!


7 posted on 10/29/2009 10:32:14 PM PDT by 444Flyer ("Permission to engage the enemy Sir! " " Permission denied." (Under CIC Obamao.))
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To: SideoutFred

There’s a Navy airfield - single runway - on San Clemente. I don’t even know if it’s still active - I haven’t been there since the early 90s. Maybe it has something to do with that.


8 posted on 10/29/2009 10:33:52 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: OldDeckHand

NOT GOOD

Both aircraft would have a total of nine crew members, including two on the helicopter, said Ian Gregor, an FAA spokesman.

He said a pilot reported seeing a fireball about 7:10 p.m. near the suspected crash site. Earlier reports stated that a single Navy helicopter may have crashed.

A search-and-rescue operation was underway.

The Coast Guard cannot account for its plane, and the Marine Corps cannot account for the helicopter, Gregor said.

Both pilots were not talking to FAA air traffic controllers at the time of the collision, he said.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/10/coast-guard-transport-plane-may-have-collided-with-marine-helicopter-off-southern-california-coast.html


9 posted on 10/29/2009 10:36:48 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (Obama-scare is the "real" Cash for Clunker Program!)
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To: OldDeckHand

Here in San Diego we have the largest concentration of military. Major numbers of Marines and Navy.

San Clemente Island is off the NW coast of San Diego and is owned by the Navy.
Used for war games etc.

The Marine Chopers along with Marine Jets are based here at Marimar Marine Air Station, hedquarters of the 3rd air wing
also Camp Pendleton here with tens of thousands of Marines has Choppers based there also


10 posted on 10/29/2009 10:36:50 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: OldDeckHand
How does that happen. What kind of exercise puts those two aircraft, an attack helicopter and a long range surveillance plane, it such close proximity?

I'm wondering if it was a Marine Cobra or a Navy H-60? The HSM/L squadrons conduct ASW training out on SCI. Additionally, there's a SEAL training area and a bombing range. I've been there a few times. I've never seen Cobras but that doesn't mean they couldn't be training out there as well. Lot's of live-fire exercises conducted out there.

Hmm... It's pretty quiet here on the NASNI seawall. Maybe I'll head out to the smoke pit and see what's up.

Prayers to all.

11 posted on 10/29/2009 10:36:57 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: All

Would the Cobra have been out of MCAS Mira Mar or MCB Pendleton?


12 posted on 10/29/2009 10:39:02 PM PDT by 444Flyer ("Permission to engage the enemy Sir! " " Permission denied." (Under CIC Obamao.))
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To: OldDeckHand

I just google mapped the island and found a runway on the central-northern side of the island. It looks horrible and unkempt from the map image.

Is there another one?


13 posted on 10/29/2009 10:40:37 PM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: OldDeckHand
I don’t even know if it’s still active - I haven’t been there since the early 90s.

It's still very active. Half my command is out there right now (probably drinking at the Salty Crab until this happened). Metro flights take off every hour or so from here on NAS North Island.

14 posted on 10/29/2009 10:40:46 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: 444Flyer

Twitter reports signs of wreckage floating


15 posted on 10/29/2009 10:42:48 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (Obama-scare is the "real" Cash for Clunker Program!)
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To: 444Flyer

see my post #10

I have on one of our local news stations now
here in San Diego They have found some debris


16 posted on 10/29/2009 10:43:03 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SoCalPol; VRWCTexan

:(


17 posted on 10/29/2009 10:44:12 PM PDT by 444Flyer ("Permission to engage the enemy Sir! " " Permission denied." (Under CIC Obamao.))
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To: Drew68; SoCalPol; VRWCTexan
"The Coast Guard cannot account for its plane, and the Marine Corps cannot account for the helicopter, Gregor said."

A helo/airplane mid-air would probably be most catastrophic. The Navy is still looking for a T-34 lost of the coast of Texas just last night. It has not been a good 24 hrs for military aviation, and with the helo accident in Afghanistan this weekend, it's been a worse week. Most tragic. Let's pray for the best.

18 posted on 10/29/2009 10:44:18 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Near the northern tip I think I can see another runway under the thick clouds. barely.


19 posted on 10/29/2009 10:45:40 PM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: GeronL; Drew68
"Is there another one?"

No. That's the one, it's definitely on the north side of the island, right at the top. Drew says it's still very active.

20 posted on 10/29/2009 10:46:30 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: OldDeckHand

T-34 out of Corpus?


21 posted on 10/29/2009 10:46:48 PM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: SoCalPol

I’m watching Fox 5. Talking about the cold water - 65 degrees. It’s still a search and rescue mission.


22 posted on 10/29/2009 10:47:08 PM PDT by elizabethgrace (I pray for our military, our Republic, Bibi and Israel.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Not right at the top. The one right at the top is obscured by clouds, barely visible on Google maps. The one I can see clearly is abandoned.


23 posted on 10/29/2009 10:47:46 PM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: GeronL
"T-34 out of Corpus?"

Yep. Student/Flight Instructor. I remember a crash out of Corpus about 10 years ago with the same crew. The T-34s don't have ejector seats, so you've got to manually bail, which can be difficult if you've lost attitudinal control of the aircraft.

24 posted on 10/29/2009 10:48:48 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: Drew68

I am just a few miles from the Coast Guard Air Station
here, just saw a spokesman there on TV say there are Cutters
heading out and Navy in the area.

NAS NI Great history there.


25 posted on 10/29/2009 10:50:53 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: OldDeckHand

I have google mapped that before. I have done that to a lot of bases, lol. I guess I just get interested. Seeing fighters, bombers and attack aircraft like that is pretty cool.


26 posted on 10/29/2009 10:51:01 PM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: VRWCTexan; SoCalPol; All
Marine Helicopter And Coast Guard Plane Collide

Last Update: 10/29 10:40 pm

SAN DIEGO - The Coast Guard and Navy are responding to a mid-air collision between a Department of Defense helicopter and a Coast Guard airplane 15 miles east of San Clemente Island, Calif., Thursday evening. At 7:10 p.m. the Navy reported to the Coast Guard that they observed what appeared to be a mid-air collision in the vicinity of San Clemente Island.

The Coast Guard responded by sending three Coast Guard cutters, and diverting an MH-60 Jayhawk helicopter to the area to search for survivors. The Navy sent four vessels and multiple helicopters to aid in the search.

The Coast Guard and Navy are actively searching for survivors at this time.

The helicopter was similar to the AH-1W Super Cobra, the helicopter that crashed near Alpine in May taking the lives of two Marine Corps pilots.

AH-1W Super Cobra

The helicopter was part of the 3rd Marine Air Wing Light Attack Squadron. It can carry two pilots but it is not know how many were on board when it went down.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Coast-Guard-c130-Marine-Cobra-helicopter-collide/lF0CO2r6102_ENGYVZcrwA.cspx

27 posted on 10/29/2009 10:51:37 PM PDT by 444Flyer ("Permission to engage the enemy Sir! " " Permission denied." (Under CIC Obamao.))
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To: GeronL; OldDeckHand
Not right at the top. The one right at the top is obscured by clouds, barely visible on Google maps. The one I can see clearly is abandoned.

The one on top obscured by clouds is the active runway. The others are probably abandoned runways from WWII. The island is littered with abandoned pillboxes from when we thought the Japanese were going to invade the mainland.

Most of the island is off-limits to personnel and used as a bombing range. Only the northern tip of it is occupied by people.

28 posted on 10/29/2009 10:55:29 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: elizabethgrace

There is a lot of history of these situations here.

Remember during nam when a pilot about ready to crash ejected out and the jet went through one of the hangers
here at Marimar.
A year ago a jet crashed into a home here.
Lot off of North Island over the yrs.


29 posted on 10/29/2009 10:56:43 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: VRWCTexan

Prayers.


30 posted on 10/29/2009 10:57:49 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (There was a hole here. It's gone now.)
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To: Drew68

I can see things that look like unmanned weather stations, a possible observatory or radar station... weather radar?


31 posted on 10/29/2009 10:57:52 PM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: VRWCTexan

C-130 and a helicopter? How? Over the Ocean?


32 posted on 10/29/2009 10:58:05 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: OldDeckHand

I ask the same question myself.... unless the c-130 was acting in a SAR capacity and was doing low level grid searches... but that does not explain the cobra... it is a head scratcher...


33 posted on 10/29/2009 11:00:32 PM PDT by Americanwolf (Did you fart?...... No?.....whats that smell?.........The democrat party rotting from within!!!...)
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Witnesses reporting seeing a ‘Fireball’ according to Channel 4 news Los Angeles.


34 posted on 10/29/2009 11:01:48 PM PDT by 444Flyer ("Permission to engage the enemy Sir! " " Permission denied." (Under CIC Obamao.))
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To: 444Flyer

(((Prayers))) and lots of questions!


35 posted on 10/29/2009 11:02:00 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: SoCalPol; ~Kim4VRWC's~

Wonder if anybody is anybody reporting on the weather conditions at the time of the crash?


36 posted on 10/29/2009 11:05:04 PM PDT by 444Flyer ("Permission to engage the enemy Sir! " " Permission denied." (Under CIC Obamao.))
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To: SoCalPol

CG reporting no signs of any survivors. :(

I think we anticipated that sad news.

We really didn’t pay attention to the sunset tonight. Last night was windy, tonight was just clear and lovely as usual.


37 posted on 10/29/2009 11:06:14 PM PDT by elizabethgrace (I pray for our military, our Republic, Bibi and Israel.)
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To: Vendome

Off the coast of San Diego


38 posted on 10/29/2009 11:06:44 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: 444Flyer

Interesting, I just mentioned he weather in post # 37, since I live at the beach. Weather was clear and lovely tonight.


39 posted on 10/29/2009 11:08:35 PM PDT by elizabethgrace (I pray for our military, our Republic, Bibi and Israel.)
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To: All

Does anybody know if 3rd Marine Air Wing Light Attack Squadron is based out of Mira Mar?


40 posted on 10/29/2009 11:08:52 PM PDT by 444Flyer ("Permission to engage the enemy Sir! " " Permission denied." (Under CIC Obamao.))
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To: elizabethgrace

Right now here it is 60 and clear


41 posted on 10/29/2009 11:09:27 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SoCalPol

Exactly the same for Pacific Beach.


42 posted on 10/29/2009 11:11:00 PM PDT by elizabethgrace (I pray for our military, our Republic, Bibi and Israel.)
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To: Drew68

My daughter was stationed at North Island. What a gorgeous place.


43 posted on 10/29/2009 11:14:06 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: elizabethgrace

I am a few miles from the Harbor and Bay downtown.


44 posted on 10/29/2009 11:14:10 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: PhiKapMom

Not long back they re did the gate entrances at NI
very nice. The main one named for Adm. Stockdale.
the former nam POW who died here a few yrs. ago.


45 posted on 10/29/2009 11:17:08 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: VRWCTexan

very sad. Prayers up and prayers up for the family members. What a sad, sad report.


46 posted on 10/29/2009 11:18:18 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: SoCalPol

Right. Remember you told me where you live in FR mail? You and my grandma were born in the same hospital!


47 posted on 10/29/2009 11:19:37 PM PDT by elizabethgrace (I pray for our military, our Republic, Bibi and Israel.)
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To: SoCalPol

We were there when one of the carriers came back from the Gulf and left off the crews before heading up north. It is amazing to watch. Another time we were there when a carrier was leaving North Island.

Some of those civilian houses not to mention the large hotel are amazing there.


48 posted on 10/29/2009 11:20:21 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: SoCalPol
I know that. Been there plenty of times. Just thinking how does a C-130, a very large plane and a helicopter, a not so large aircraft make contact.

Helo’s don't necessarily fly same path and even have different pad area of the field to land.

This was over open water and I am just trying to imagine how with all the gear both craft have they would be in each others path and why since they different missions they would even be so close to each other.

49 posted on 10/29/2009 11:23:28 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: PhiKapMom

On the Bay side of NI is based the carriers Reagan, Nimitz and in a few months will also be home ported here the carrier Carl Venson. All Nukes

The Lincoln and Stennis are based in Wash. and much of their air wings are based here so they are down here often.

S.D. also has home ported many Amph Assult ships which look like carriers but little smaller. They carry 2,000 Marines
and dozens of choppers and harriers jets.


50 posted on 10/29/2009 11:26:13 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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