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Freedom of religion, not from religion
mt mail ^ | 10/29/2009 | Gerald Berry

Posted on 10/29/2009 10:30:38 PM PDT by george76

This is a statement that was read over the public address system at the football game at Roane County High School, Kingston, Tenn., by school principal, Jody McLeod:

"It has always been the custom at Roane County High School football games, to say a prayer and play the national anthem, to honor God and country. Due to a ruling by the Supreme Court, I am told that saying a prayer is a violation of federal law.

"As I understand the law at this time, I can use this public facility to approve of sexual perversion and call it 'an alternate life style,' and if someone is offended, that's OK.

"I can designate a school day as Earth Day and involve students in activities to worship religiously and praise the goddess mother Earth and call it ecology.

"I can use literature, videos and presentations in the classroom that depict people with strong, traditional Christian convictions as 'simple minded' and 'ignorant' and call it enlightenment.

"However, if anyone uses this facility to honor God and to ask him to bless this event with safety and good sportsmanship, then federal law is violated. Apparently, we are to be tolerant of everything and anyone, except God and his commandments.

"However, if you feel inspired to honor, praise and thank God and ask him to bless this event, please feel free to do so. As far as I know, that's not against the law yet."

"One by one, the people in the stands bowed their heads, held hands with one another and began to pray. They prayed in the stands. They prayed in the team huddles...

Somehow, Kingston, Tenn., remembered what so many have forgotten. We are given the freedom of religion, not the freedom from religion.

(Excerpt) Read more at themountainmail.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Colorado; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: earthday; prayer; scotus

1 posted on 10/29/2009 10:30:38 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

That took guts. Good for this school principal. Hallelujah!


2 posted on 10/29/2009 10:36:37 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.)
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To: pray4liberty

The Senate found a way around the First Ammendment, they sent tyrants in black robes to the Supreme Court to make laws that violate the First Ammendment.


3 posted on 10/29/2009 10:45:26 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: george76

Brought tears to my eyes. Wish we had more school principals like, Jody McLeod.


4 posted on 10/29/2009 10:46:39 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/user/GloriaJane)
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To: george76

AMEN.


5 posted on 10/29/2009 10:51:29 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: george76
Snopes.com:

Claim:   Principal Jody McLoud of Roane County High School in Kingston, Tennessee, delivered a controversial speech before a school football game.

Status:   True.

Example:   [Collected via e-mail, October 2000]

Principal McLoud's speech was also read into the Congressional Record on 20 September 2000 by Representative Zach Wamp of Tennessee.

Last updated:   3 October 2007

6 posted on 10/29/2009 10:52:03 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: george76

Does she still have her job?


7 posted on 10/29/2009 10:53:01 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: c-b 1
The Senate found a way around the First Amendment, they sent tyrants in black robes to the Supreme Court to make laws that violate the First Amendment....

....and make murder legal.

8 posted on 10/29/2009 10:54:25 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.)
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To: george76
Thanks. Roane County I am very familiar with. Maybe “freedom of association” will be next weeks message. (I installed a bunch of cameras in their buses and schools)
9 posted on 10/29/2009 10:54:35 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: girlangler; Grammy; MountainPete; jazusamo

Roane County High School, Kingston, Tenn


10 posted on 10/29/2009 10:56:22 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: pray4liberty

That too.


11 posted on 10/29/2009 10:56:56 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: pray4liberty

Nice to see.

It might start a tradition ?


12 posted on 10/29/2009 10:58:02 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: john in springfield

Thanks for the time-line. Any personal remarks to add?


13 posted on 10/29/2009 11:00:00 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: george76

“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father who is hidden. And your Father who sees from the hidden place will reward you.” Matthew 6:5-6


14 posted on 10/29/2009 11:16:12 PM PDT by freethinker_for_freedom
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To: freethinker_for_freedom
"do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full."

"It has always been the custom at Roane County High School football games, to say a prayer and play the national anthem, to honor God and country.

So this passage you have stolen says all of these people have received their reward in full, or are you misguided in the usage of scripture?

15 posted on 10/29/2009 11:26:08 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: george76

Good for Jody McLeod for standing up for what’s right and Representative Zach Wamp for reading it into the Congressional Record.


16 posted on 10/29/2009 11:31:24 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: freethinker_for_freedom

If you bother to read more of the Bible you see the exact context and point of Jesus’ criticism. The Pharisees were expanding on religious ostentation of all kinds, prayer being only one of them, well beyond what obedience to the old covenant would call for. But mark well that the old covenant didn’t call for hiding your light under a bushel basket — certain external forms were not just optional but mandatory — and neither did Jesus.

Have you ever thought about whether it would be possible to freethink your way into a known religion? If it is not possible, then so called freethinking is not free at all.


17 posted on 10/29/2009 11:37:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: freethinker_for_freedom

I understand it can be very confusing.......NOT.


18 posted on 10/29/2009 11:37:59 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: eyedigress

That’s one of a few Biblical phrases that liberals memorize to try to trip up Christians. It makes liberals feeeeel good when they quote it.


19 posted on 10/30/2009 5:11:20 AM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: eyedigress

“So this passage you have stolen says all of these people have received their reward in full, or are you misguided in the usage of scripture?”

I believe that when Jesus said not to pray where you can be seen by others, but to pray in the privacy of your room, He meant that you should not pray in public, but you should pray in the privacy of your room. Fairly radical interpretation, I know, but one of the points our founding fathers were making about freedom of religion was that I get to interpret the Bible by my own reckoning, not by yours or by the school principal’s.


20 posted on 10/30/2009 8:06:59 PM PDT by freethinker_for_freedom
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“If you bother to read more of the Bible you see the exact context and point of Jesus’ criticism.”

I did read a little more where it said that God already knows what we want so there is no reason for “babbling like pagans” in our prayers, and that if we want to pray we should simply recite the Lord’s prayer.

Now perhaps you can quote to me where Jesus says that He did not mean what He so plainly stated. I would be interested to read it. But very plainly, you and I are interpreting the Bible differently, as we have a right to. Every man, for the sake of his immortal soul, must read the Bible and interpret it as best he can, and not rely on others to do it for him. Thanks to our founding fathers, we have a constitutional right to interpret the Bible ourselves, and not be forced to agree with those who claim superior knowledge, whether it be you or this school principal.


21 posted on 10/30/2009 8:53:53 PM PDT by freethinker_for_freedom
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To: sergeantdave

“That’s one of a few Biblical phrases that liberals memorize to try to trip up Christians.”

Maybe Jesus said this to try to trip up Christians who are acting like hypocrites. Why else would He have said it?


22 posted on 10/30/2009 8:56:53 PM PDT by freethinker_for_freedom
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To: freethinker_for_freedom

“Babbling like pagans” are the machinelike utterances of some cults. Get the count to, say, 1000 and you win. Any competent New Testament scholar knows about this. You are just a “mold your own world” maniac.


23 posted on 10/30/2009 10:02:55 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You still haven’t quoted anything to show me that Jesus didn’t mean for us to pray in private.


24 posted on 10/30/2009 10:33:10 PM PDT by freethinker_for_freedom
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To: freethinker_for_freedom

What is Jesus to you?


25 posted on 10/31/2009 12:21:47 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: freethinker_for_freedom
I get to interpret the Bible by my own reckoning, not by yours or by the school principal’s

That was not my understanding at all. Their reward is done. Their reward is of earth, not heaven. Your reward is in the works and remains to be known.

26 posted on 10/31/2009 3:10:38 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: george76

Maybe the Governor would be glad to show up and blow a few and demonstrate queer ‘’love’.


27 posted on 10/31/2009 5:29:23 PM PDT by Waco (Kiss an illegal aliens' axx and buckle yer seat belt, it's the law.)
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