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To: Neidermeyer
Any crisis pregnancy assistance must be privately run...
The point made in Strategy #2 is that "the government should step in" when those private efforts fall short. Naturally, that appeals to Democrats. So are you saying that given the choice between converting a Democrat to pro-life and opposing socialism, you'd oppose socialism?
in Cuba 90% of all pregnancies end in abortion

Wow. That's not even CLOSE to true. It was 34% in 2005. You'll notice that "use fabricated statistics" was not in the list of suggested strategies. There's a reason for that: a lot of Democrats know how to use Google and if you don't check your facts, you look either foolish or dishonest.

Also, while Cuba is socialist, it is also extremely poor. Abortion rates in a wealthy socialist country, like Sweden, are lower (25%). They aren't significantly higher than the US (23%). Canada, with it's single-payer system is slightly lower (22%), and the UK with its government-run National Health Service also comes in at 22%. That would suggest we could save some children by adopting either of their systems, right? Obviously, it's not that simple.

Really, if you look at the data, what lowers the abortion rate is freedom and economic opportunity (which are related). Socialism itself does not appear to play a huge role either way.

18 posted on 10/30/2009 5:09:58 PM PDT by Mr. Know It All
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To: Mr. Know It All
Your cherry picking sources ,, your UN source shows a rate less than half what the Guttmacher Inst. has listed for 1996 ,, 77.7% in Cuba ,, I have seen the 90% rate listed for them in other places but won't bother to search for it now, I don't want to continue a pointless pissing contest. I believe the 90% numbers were actually a 75-80% abortion rate plus early infant deaths which were listed as abortion so their infant mortality numbers would look better ,, just like East Germany used to do. I see you're not contesting the percentages in eastern european countries.

Don't you understand that Cuba reports WHAT IT WANTS TO REPORT and that it's numbers (the numbers you quote) are just as made up as Obama's "jobs created or saved" ... The 90% actual numbers were an embarrasment so they changed what they report ... The point I was making is that if we go socialist/communist like Cuba then all your good intentions don't matter...

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/25s3099.html

And yes I have contributed to crisis pregnancy centers in the past.

19 posted on 10/30/2009 7:39:46 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Mr. Know It All
Really, if you look at the data, what lowers the abortion rate is freedom and economic opportunity (which are related). Socialism itself does not appear to play a huge role either way.

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Please re-read the last line in your post and explain to those of us that obviously aren't as sophisticated and nuanced as you how you can say "... what lowers the abortion rate is freedom and economic opportunity (which are related)." and then you throw the engines in reverse at full power and say "Socialism itself does not appear to play a huge role either way." I just can't seem to square those two statements up with each other. Help me understand...

20 posted on 10/30/2009 8:10:36 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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