Posted on 10/30/2009 3:00:46 PM PDT by Uncle Sham
Since it appears that the judicial branch is intent on abandoning it's duty to uphold the Constitution, perhaps it's time for the states themselves to individually pass legislation that will protect their citizens from the actions of anyone who illegally occupies the Oval office.
There is nothing to prevent a state from passing a law requiring that the President must file his PROOF of meeting eligibility requirements with the state and that such a filing is open to public challenge in court.
Such a law could stipulate that any legislation signed by a President who refuses or is unable to meet this requirement to file shall be declared null and void within the borders of the state. No orders affecting any of the states citizens from such a usurper would have legal standing within the borders of the state. In addition, the act could command all legislators at the national level to institute whatever legal mechanism is required to challenge the standing of such a usurper.
It seems to me, any state-passed law that ENFORCES the Constitution would be judged as "Constitutional". Perhaps this can be done through a ballot initiative if the legislators refuse to look into it. We do not have to WAIT until the next Presidential election to handcuff a possible usurper. This can be done NOW and immediately protect a state's citizens from having to live with ILLEGALLY made legislation or orders.
Here’s another thread in case you haven’t seen it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2383292/posts
The Coming Storm - State Sovereignty
Thanks for the information. Do you suppose the law I’ve suggested would be easier to enact, at least in a couple of states? If so, which states would, in your opinion, be most likely to consider it?
Jim, it was good seeing you once again. Keep up the good health! This is the thread I told you about.
Unfortunately, Doyle the Boil is a despicable NEANDRATHOL!
Is it any wonder months ago, Doyle *Proclaimed* he would not seek re election?
Uhh Doyle?
Do Wisconsin an Un Paid intellectually Honest favor!
Quit!
Release Wisconsin's hard working tax payers from your bondage! I found your *Photo Op* with Ovomit in Milwaukee, outrageous and embarrassing! When you accepted worthless Federal money from a unaccomplished THUG, squating in America's White House, I along with thousands of Wisconsin residents, heaved up collective chunks of undigested rat poison. Sadly, we accepted your corrupt leadership, Mr, Doyle and his Republican/Democratic Minions need to be purged from their cushy corrupt caves.
The sooner the better!
Nice work! I rarely see an accurate representation of all the pending legislation in GA.
As far as initiative is concerned, please remember that many states don't have any provision for it at all.
Thanks for locating this info, Lady Jag.
Makes me sad to see this about my state: “Failed on the floor to pass with amendment.”
Additionally, to ensure the validity of electons, the states must make it a priority to investigate and prosecute voter fraud NOW.
If I am not mistaken, there were two anti-sedition acts passed in American history (one during the John Adams administration and one during World War I), and both were either repealed or declared unconstitutional. Despite the fact that federal criminal law is now touches on just about every activity known to mankind, there is no crime on the books now known as "sedition."
On the contrary, what the "Birthers" are doing - by going to court and seeking redress of a likely insult to the Constitution - is well within the confines of the First Amendment's rights to free speech and to petition the government for redress of grievances.
Right on, ExTexasRedhead!
All of these ‘movements’ (except for Hawaii) are explicit restatements of what has always been in place, but not necessarily enforced, as detailed by the 10th Amendment. Hawaii is actually aiming for total sovereignty as it is claimed that Hawaii was never really a state of the U.S.A..
However, I believe the intent of these bills is to let the federal government know that the states’ sovereignty will not be overwritten… say in case certain gun ban laws get passed, FOCA-type laws, or other “War Time / Martial Law” type plans come into play. Check them out:
States That Already Are Sovereign / Passed 10th Amendement Restatement Legislature:
– California (CA): [CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO and HERE]
– Colorado (CO): [CLICK HERE for bill text - HERE for the scan] *NEW*
- Hawaii (HI): [General info: HERE or HERE -- SCOTUS Case: HERE for docket & HERE or HERE for summary]
– Louisiana (LA): [CLICK HERE - §26] *NEW*
– Massachusetts (MA): [CLICK HERE - Article IV] *NEW*
– Oklahoma (OK): [CLICK HERE and HERE - 99% done... stay tuned! (I'll count it as passed for now)] *NEW*
– Texas (TX): [THIS WEBSITE] has good Republic of Texas info & bill text HERE]
– Utah (UT): [CLICK HERE and search for HJR003 or HERE for a pdf] *NEW*
States Claiming Sovereignty:
– Arizona (AZ): [CLICK HERE]
– Arkansas (AR): [CLICK HERE]
– Georgia (GA): [CLICK HERE]
– Kansas (KS): [CLICK HERE for bill text - hearing date set for approx. 03/04!] *NEW*
- Kentucky (KY): [CLICK HERE and HERE] *NEW*
– Indiana (IN): [CLICK HERE]
- Iowa (IA): [CLICK HERE and more info HERE]
– Michigan (MI): [CLICK HERE (HCR No. 4)]
– Minnesota (MN): [CLICK HERE - more info HERE and HERE]
– Missouri (MO): [CLICK HERE -- CLICK HERE for even more info (but currently broken)]
– Montana (MT): [CLICK HERE]
– New Hampshire (NH): [CLICK HERE]
- South Carolina (SC): [CLICK HERE]
– Tennessee (TN): [CLICK HERE or HERE]
– Washington (WA): [CLICK HERE]
States Planning / Motioning Toward Claiming Sovereignty:
- Alabama (AL): (Sources below*)
– Alaska (AK): (Sources below*)
– Idaho (ID): (Sources below*)
– Maine (ME): (Sources below*)
– Nevada (NV): (Sources below*)
- Ohio (OH): (CLICK HERE, HERE, and HERE) *NEW*
– Pennsylvania (PA): (CLICK HERE for page and HERE for text & Sources below*)
– West Virginia (WV): (CLICK HERE — Bill text HERE)
[Source # 1] & [Source # 2] for the “pending / planning” states.
States on the ‘Watch List’ (these are not counted in the total & not on the map):
- Florida (FL): [CLICK HERE for a petition]
http://waronyou.com/topics/31-states-already-are-are-now-claiming-or-are-planning-for-declaration-of-sovereignty
November 10,2009
“Wow, I’ve been on FR close to five years and that’s the first I’ve heard of any Americans accused of “sedition.””
Really? Read more.
“If I am not mistaken, there were two anti-sedition acts passed in American history (one during the John Adams administration and one during World War I), and both were either repealed or declared unconstitutional. Despite the fact that federal criminal law is now touches on just about every activity known to mankind, there is no crime on the books now known as “sedition.””
You are mistaken. Take a look at 18 USC Chap 115. The law is quite current and quite constitutional.
The birthers are the most obvious seditionists as by encouraging mutiny in time of war, they are violating 18 USC 2388, but there are plenty of others roaming around, a number on the internet. I am told some of them think that the government doesn’t know who they are, or the extent to which others are supporting them. :)
Thanks for the ping!
Bump!
Very interesting, thanks much for the ping.
A lot of links to info, I’m still pecking away at them.
Sounds like a winner to me.
Nope. No sedition here, Oh Turk-eater (I read your home page - very nice!)
The requirments to be President are specific: natural born citizen; a minimum of 35 years old; and must have resided within the United State for the past 14 years. Any state requiring a candidate for President to proffer evidence supporting any of the three requirments is, I believe, a neat, effiecient and assured method to affirm the Constitutional requirements to be President.
Natural born citizen proof is a no brainer. It can easily be done by supplying birth certificates of grandparents, parents, and for self a long form birth certificate.
The age requirement too can be affrimed using the long-form birth certificate.
Residency requirement can be confirmed by drivers licenses. (Frankly, I find it difficult to imagine any candidate for President who would not have a drivers license, but there are other means of determining residency such as utility bills and tax returns.)
I started investigating Barack Obama’s background almost two years ago, and it was weird how information about him would just “poof”, disappear off the internet, scrubbed clean. This man has something about himself he seriously doesn’t want known, and that is flat-out wrong. Why? In these kind of situations it is usually because he’s a major security risk.
So the birth certificate, for better or for worse, is emblematic of this President’s term - very secretive and most likely not friendly to American interests.
obumpa
Alamo Girl, What is your opinion of this concept and do you think it is obtainable in some form or fashion?
Thank You for nailing it.
If anything is "sedition" or "treason", it's got to be "usurping" the Presidency and or aiding and abetting a "usurper" to the Presidency during a time of war.
If the present person in the Oval office was legal, he would not have gone to great expense to block the disclosure of his real birth certificate and then sealed his other records, as well.
Big "if".
Generally though laws are not retroactive so I doubt it would be of any help to past elections. But it would help in 2012 etc.
The law I propose would go into effect the day it was passed and would not be "retroactive". It would affect all legislative and presidential executive orders occurring from the moment it became law.
Of course, if it exposed a "usurper" while in office, I'm sure that anything he signed before such a law went into effect would be challenged in other ways.
Ah, that makes sense.
Thanksgiving bump.
Would it have more force if it was in a States’ Constitution?
I really don’t think it would matter legally. Putting such a provision in a state’s constitution would take more of an effort than just passing a state law. A law could be passed in a week.
Then charge the Birthers with Sedition.
Birther goes to court with his defense that Obama was born in Kenya and is an usurper who has gained his office by (A) False Statements under oath [We have Obama’s signed statement from Arizona during the campaign stating that he was a natural born citizen] BIG TIME SMOKING GUN (B) Obstruction of Justice (c) Criminal Conspiracy.
So bring it on. Bring the sedition charges. You are just trying to SCARE people.
I don’t scare easily.
You know, Bob Bauer, YOU will eventually wind up behind bars for this fiasco, don’t you?
And so will Judge Carter.
The True Answer to the health care fiasco Bump
Obama has never presented such proof to anybody, anywhere, anytime, anyhow.
The way he got on the ballot in fifty states is: the vast majority of the populace is as intellectually dishonest and lazy, and as willing to swallow publicity stunts (like releasing forged jpg images of forged documents) as “evidence,” as you are.
“The way he got on the ballot in fifty states is: the vast majority of the populace is as intellectually dishonest and lazy, and as willing to swallow publicity stunts (like releasing forged jpg images of forged documents) as “evidence,” as you are.”
So the majority need the Birthers to set the rest of us straight, right? Why, if you folks, a truly tiny minority, could just take over and rule the rest of us, things would be just fine, correct? A tiny minority ruling the rest of us because the tiny minority is so smart and we’re so dumb!
Here’s a tip; the majority might get upset with the tiny ruling minority made up of such smart Birther types.
Try responding to what I said, instead of something you wish I had said.
You asserted, falsely, that Obama had presented proof of his citizenship status to all fifty states. You did not respond to my factual statement that: Obama has never presented such proof to anybody, anywhere, anytime, anyhow.
or Arabic.
You are wasting your time by trying to debate “Mr.Threat-Machine”. Pay him/her/it no mind. BTW, Happy New Year!
I still think this is a better approach than waiting for the next election cycle to catch a Usurper.
It all comes down to what is proof.
It all comes down to what is proof.
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